Ask the Scholar

{
    "localId": "498693835",
    "label": "March 13-18, 1971 [1 of 2]",
    "core": "doc",
    "dtoType": "document",
    "citationUrl": "https://catalog.archives.gov/id/498693835"
}

{
    "id": "498693835",
    "sourceUrl": "https://catalog.archives.gov/id/498693835",
    "contentType": "document",
    "title": "March 13-18, 1971 [1 of 2]",
    "citationUrl": "https://catalog.archives.gov/id/498693835",
    "collections": [
        "National Security Files (Nixon Administration)",
        "Henry A. Kissinger Telephone Conversation Transcripts (Telcons)"
    ],
    "iiifBase": "https://s3.dualstack.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/NARAprodstorage/lz/presidential-libraries/nixon/rn-nsf/579113/Batch0002/37-natsec-kissinger_telcons-579113-09-07/37-natsec-kissinger_telcons-579113-09-07-001.jpg",
    "thumbnailUrl": "https://s3.dualstack.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/NARAprodstorage/lz/presidential-libraries/nixon/rn-nsf/579113/Batch0002/37-natsec-kissinger_telcons-579113-09-07/37-natsec-kissinger_telcons-579113-09-07-001.jpg",
    "largeImageUrl": "https://s3.dualstack.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/NARAprodstorage/lz/presidential-libraries/nixon/rn-nsf/579113/Batch0002/37-natsec-kissinger_telcons-579113-09-07/37-natsec-kissinger_telcons-579113-09-07-001.jpg",
    "imageCount": 58,
    "hasImages": true,
    "source": "import",
    "hasTranscription": false
}

{
    "url": "https://catalog.archives.gov/id/498693835",
    "naId": 498693835,
    "levelOfDescription": "fileUnit",
    "recordType": "description",
    "ocrSource": "nara-archive"
}

{
    "seq": 2,
    "pageIndex": 0,
    "type": "photo",
    "url": "https://s3.dualstack.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/NARAprodstorage/lz/presidential-libraries/nixon/rn-nsf/579113/Batch0002/37-natsec-kissinger_telcons-579113-09-07/37-natsec-kissinger_telcons-579113-09-07-002.jpg",
    "mediaId": "a534720968775063",
    "ocrText": "TELECON\nMr. Kissinger/Mr. Haldeman\n10:17 a. m., March 13, 1971\nK:\nBob, how are you? I wanted to give you the background on the\nfiasco on these Berrigan people.\nH:\nYou are calling on your enemies now.\nK:\nPeople get SO uptight about it. I don't think it's hurting us.\nH:\nI don't know whether it hurts or helps. I don't think it makes\nany difference one way or the other. Miami Herald carried a story\nwith a big smiling picture of Henry Kissinger on the front page.\nK:\nThough it wasn't deliberately planned, I have to take the credit\nfor it. I have been in touch with Brian McDonnell the fellow who\nfasted in the park -- for a year. He called two months ago in case\nthe President asks\nto ask whether I would be prepared to see some\npeople friendly to the Berrigans. He then called a few weeks later\nsaying he would like to bring in seven students from Haverford College\nwhere he teaches. I said, 'fine.' I told him assistant would work out\na date. Instead of students, he brought in these people. I found out\nonly minutes before the meeting and I went into orbit. They were\nalready in the Situation Room. I talked to Haig and we agreed that\nto throw them out without hearing them at that late time would be worse\nthan listening to them. At that time, I did not know they were CO-\nconspirators -- I just thought they were sympathetic to the Berrigans.\nH:\nWere they interesting?\nK:\nHonor is not an outstanding attribute of doves. There was an\nunderstanding this was to be off the record.\nH:\nI am sure it will go away. J. Edgar Hoover may be upset.\nK:\nI talked to him last night. He said fine he is okay. Kleindeinst\nis a little bit upset.\nH:\nWell, this is one of those stories that comes and goes. It won't\nmake much difference.\nK:\nI don't know whether it hurts us to show humanity toward these\npeople."
}