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Mr. Kissinger/Secretary Rogers
(not verbatim)
March 15, 1971 10:55 a. m.
jlj
K: Hello Bill. Senator Jackson was in here on Saturday about the Safeguard
decision. He is worried that we are going to knock it out from under him in
SALT.
thinking that the President decided
NCA zero and 4-
Safeguard system and see where we came out. In talking to the President
yesterday he said to have Gerry Smith present it hard and not just sluff
over it.
R: You are speaking about the standstill now.
zero and NCA
K: Yes. Not say they can buildup.
R: I call it stand where we are, stay where we are.
K: That is a good way to call it.
R: I will see that he does not do that. He does feel strongly on zero.
I feel that it is not quite fair for us to have to give up and let them go on.
It would be politically difficult for us.
K: That is what Jackson says. He said that all the people that fought for us
will look like fools. Should not be giving it up.
R: I have not been enthusiastic about NCA one. It does not seem fair to
me to ask us to destroy all of ours and let them retain what they have.
K: NCA becomes close to becoming zero for us because we cannot get it
through Congress.
R: We fought like hell for ABM and then if we have to dexkxxxx destroy ours
and
OK, I will be sure that that is done. Let's see, there was something
else. Oh, I am XNX curious about Jackson. Did Mel go ahead and tell him to
release that?
K: He talked as though he was taking the credit for the leak.
R: He is a strange fellow.
K: Who, Mel?
R: Yes. I was talking to him before
and he was speaking as if he was
horror struck that this leak had happened.
He said isn't that terrible and how
did that happen.
K: The next morning he talked to me - after the NSC meeting - and said, well,
XXX we got it out all right, didn't we?
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