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    "ocrText": "TELECON\nMr. Kissinger/Yehudi Menuhin\n9:55 a. m., March 13, 1971\nM:\nGood morning.\nK:\nHow are you? I mentioned to the Romanian Ambassador our\nconversation and, of course, he is going to look into it.\nM:\nI hope something does come off. It would be fascinating for me.\nK:\nI think it would be good.\nM:\nIs there any chance of our meeting?\nK:\nI am not yet sure whether I am going to be here or going to\nNew York. Can I reach you in the afternoon?\nM:\nIf you will be in Washington, could you come to lunch here at\nthe Wilkinson's?\nK:\nI'd be glad to.\nM:\nWe ourselves are going to New York around 5:00 in the afternoon.\nK:\nI think the way to do it is to call you this afternoon.\nM:\nWe will be hoping you can come to lunch. Perhaps if you are not\nin Washington, we can get together in New York.\nK:\nI will be there just one day. I will call you this afternoon and\nleave word whether I can come for lunch.\nM:\nDianna would love to see you.\nK:\nI would love to see you.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Kissinger/Mr. Haldeman\n10:17 a. m., March 13, 1971\nK:\nBob, how are you? I wanted to give you the background on the\nfiasco on these Berrigan people.\nH:\nYou are calling on your enemies now.\nK:\nPeople get so uptight about it. I don't think it's hurting us.\nH:\nI don't know whether it hurts or helps. I don't think it makes\nany difference one way or the other. Miami Herald carried a story\nwith a big smiling picture of Henry Kissinger on the front page.\nK:\nThough it wasn't deliberately planned, I have to take the credit\nfor it. I have been in touch with Brian McDonnell the fellow who\nfasted in the park for a year. He called two months ago in case\nthe President asks to ask whether I would be prepared to see some\npeople friendly to the Berrigans. He then called a few weeks later\nsaying he would like to bring in seven students from Haverford College\nwhere he teaches. I said, 'fine. I I told him assistant would work out\na date. Instead of students, he brought in these people. I found out\nonly minutes before the meeting and I went into orbit. They were\nalready in the Situation Room. I talked to Haig and we agreed that\nto throw them out without hearing them at that late time would be worse\nthan listening to them. At that time, I did not know they were co-\nconspirators -- I just thought they were sympathetic to the Berrigans.\nH:\nWere they interesting?\nK:\nHonor is not an outstanding attribute of doves. There was an\nunderstanding this was to be off the record.\nH:\nI am sure it will go away. J. Edgar Hoover may be upset.\nK:\nI talked to him last night. He said fine -- he is okay. Kleindeinst\nis a little bit upset.\nH:\nWell, this is one of those stories that comes and goes. It won't\nmake much difference.\nK:\nI don't know whether it hurts us to show humanity toward these\npeople.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nMr. Kissinger/Mr. Haldeman\n10:17 a. m., March 13, 1971\n- 2 -\nH:\nIt doesn't do us any good. It dignifies them. They should be\ndecapitated. People plotting kidnaps we shouldn't see.\nK:\nI don't argue with that.\nH:\nYou didn't intend to meet with those anyway.\nK:\nIf I had known it two hours before, I would have turned it off.\nH:\nIt isn't going to make much difference one way or the other.\nThe story has a little drama to it because of the kidnap thing, but I\nimagine we will survive that.\nK:\nWill you explain it to the President?\nH:\nSure.\nK:\nHow it came to pass?\nH:\nHe may not even see it.\nK:\nHe will see it alright. If he doesn't, Bebe will call it to his\nattention. How is the weather?\nHL\nXXX\nCool and windy, but alright.\nK:\nIs he going to the Bahamas?\nH:\nI think he is, but I'm not sure.\nK:\nIf you would mention it to him, I would appreciate it.\nH:\nOkay.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelCon: The President:HAK\n11:40 - 3/13/71\nHAK:\nGood morning Mr. President.\nP:\nGood morning Henry. Where did I find you?\nHAK:\nI am in my office.\nP:\nWhat is new on your front today?\nHAK:\nThey are repositioning themselves in Laos - South across the routes\nthat are coming out of Tchepone.\nP:\nLike 914?\nHAK:\nYes and 244. They are going to try to get the caches?\nP:\nMore than you expected?\nHAK:\nYes. It is more than\nanother 8, 000 pounds of rice\nand small ammunitions.\nP:\nDid you get a confirmation of what Vogt (?) told me?\nHAK:\nThey have decided now to stay around Tchepone.\nP:\nNot just sit there.\nHAK:\nThat is right. That is too dangerous. They will move across the\nSouth until April and then start moving out. This is what they are\ndoing essentially and I think is the right thing to do. The North\nVietnamese units which have been pressing them from the North\nhave now pulled back. They have pulled back towards the DMZ\nso they might have a bloddier nose than what we thought. Part of\nthe reason may be that part of the supply shipment has gone beyond\nTchepone and they are no longer defending it.\nP:\nThe press yesterday reported to the effect that they were just going\nto get out right away. It didn't work out that way did it.\nHAK:\nThe original plan of last week was to get out of Laos. The press\nwould then play it as another invasion of Laos. What they are now\ngoing to do is to position themselves in closer. After about three\nweeks pull out of pass 611 and be out by May 1.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n- 2 -\nP:\nThat is fine.\nHAK:\nIt is a recoverable situation but the one that has really be screwed\nup is Cambodia and that is bad. Thieu (?) had it all set up - had\nthe enemy in position for a big battle (?) This new Commander is\nso unđertain that he doesn't want to destroy the enemy's bases.\nP:\nBy destroying the enemy is to be on top of them.\nHAK:\nAs Laos winds down, more air power will be available for Cambodia.\nP:\nThe weather is still not good for this strike but they are still\nwatching it. I told Vogt that no budgetary or any other kind of\nrestrant was to hold this up. As soon as the weather was clear\nthey were to hit it.\nHAK:\nOn Thursday they told us there would be four more days of bad\nweather. I talked to Vogt yesterday after you talked to him. They\nhave three carriers in position and are ready to go.\nThe military has thrown out the Turkish Prime Minister. They\nthrew him out. They are trying to form a new government. They\nare friendly at least.\nP:\nOn our side?\nHAK:\nYes.\nP:\nWhat will be your next move with Mr. D?\nHAK:\nI am going to hand him a redraft of your letter. It takes out some\nof the precise details about the dates of freeze\nThey can be\nleft for negotiation. It can be too complicated. Just so we can get\nthe deadlock broken. We have to do it. There is no one in the\nbureaucracy who defends the safeguard system except Laird. I am\nseeing him on Monday at 4 o'clock.\nP:\nIs Haig going to Saigon?\nHAK:\nYes, he leaves tomorrow night.\nP:\nDid you see Senator Jackson?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n- 3 -\nHAK:\nI am seeing him at three o'clock this afternoon. We shouldn't give\nthe safeguard away.\nP:\nOK. Very interesting in Laos. They are pulling back. It could be\nas you said they have been bloodied up pretty good. Pulling back\nor striking somewhere else. They are not quite that strong.\nHAK:\nIf they were not in rather bad shape\nP:\nLets look back at Cambodia. Westmoreland and everyone else\nover estimated what they could do. Even Phnom Penh. The\npress was saying it every day. We just have to watch the situation\nthere. Because of our long long war and waste of power that there\nwere times we over estimated the enemy and said that they would\nfight. Westmoreland bit off more than one sanctuary in Cambodia.\nI don't really think you can say they were any tougher.\nHAK:\nThey fought well butnot like the American troops would have.\nThey took heavy casualties but they inflicted very large ones.\nIt may run its course like Cambodia did I am beginning to think.\nP:\nIf the weather clears up it is important to hit those three supply\nbases.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelCon: HAK:Brian McDonnell\n12 Noon - 3/13/71\nHAK:\nHello Brian. How are you?\nMc:\nDown on mankind. I am going out this afternoon and sort of get\nmyself together.\nHAK:\nI don't worry about it.\nMc:\nI am not worried about them. I am worried about you. It was\nsuch an awful thing to have happen to you.\nHAK:\nI will have to take the heat for a few days. This will all blow over.\nMc:\nI am going to send you a letter giving the sequence of facts and\nwhat took place. And I would like to send a letter to your boss\nand apologize.\nHAK:\nNo that is not necessary. It might be good to have some confirma-\ntion on what took place for Mitchell and Hoover though.\nMc:\nI will write who was to be invited, the sequence of facts and what\ntook place.\nHAK:\nI thought they were just friends of the Berrigans.\nMc:\nListen. The other thing is that I really feel that you and I are good\nfriends.\nHAK:\nIt won't affect our relationship Brian.\nMc:\nI really feel like a dog.\nHAK:\nYou behaved honorably and you trusted your friends which one is\nsuppose to be able to do.\nMc:\nSister\nwould also like to extend her apologies to you.\nHAK:\nShe behaved in a fine way. I understand some Philadelphia paper\nis going to blast me tomorrow.\nMc:\nSandy what is his name?\nHAK:\nI don't know. But if I can survive attacks in the big city papers,\nthen I can survive an attack in the Philadelphia paper. Just relax\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n- 2 -\nnow. When these things blow up they give the impression they\nwill never blow away.\nMc:\nI am not going to talk with Tom again. I can't trust him again.\nHAK:\nThat is one of the problems of the peace movements. Don't\nworry about it Brian. I will see you soon.\nMc:\nAlice sends her love and she is deeply concerned.\nHAK:\nI will see you soon.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelC HAK: Kleindienst\n12:10 - 3/13/71\nK:\nGood morning sir.\nHAK:\nGood morning. Did you get my note ?\nK:\nYes sir.\nHAK:\nWas it of any help?\nK:\nI think so. It gives us the information that I think we had to have.\nAt least we know none of the specifics of the Berrigan case were\ndiscussed by the people with you. Is that correct?\nHAK:\nThat is correct.\nK:\nI don't see anything for you to worry about. If there is for any\nreason, we will discuss it again.\nHAK:\nI won't go near those people again. I was taken by MXO surprise\ntwo ways. They broke their promise and I didn't know I was\nmeeting with that group.\nK:\nDon't worry about it right now.\nHAK:\nCould it affect your trial?\nK:\nNo, not one way or another. Don't worry about it now. You have\nmore important things to worry about.\nHAK:\nMy apologies.\nK:\nDon't worry. Goodbye.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAdmiral Moorer/Mr. Kissinger\n12:14 p.m., March 13, 1971\nM:\nI wanted to touch base on a couple of things. I chatted with\nHaig. I received a briefing from MACV made up in response to\nLaird's guidance for withdrawal plans. We are now faced with about\nthree plans so far. (1) In response to Laird's guidance he left in\nJanuary\nK:\nI'll bet he left two; I'll bet he has a private one with Abrams.\nM:\nThis is the only one I am aware of. (2) Then there is the one\ndictated by Budget as it now stands. (3) Then there is the one\nJCS/MACV recommended. The Army has a limitation, with regard\nto draft calls. They all have to be looked at. Haig's trip will be\nvery helpful in this regard. We will work on them some more over\nhere. We have to look at the mission aspects and increment aspects.\nShifting a minute, I think the plan up north the Lam Son plan --\nis being handled all right. They will stay in there. My prediction\nis they will stay through the full extent of the dry season.\nK:\nAcross roads or horsing around?\nM:\nFighting -- if they come all the way down through Base Area\n611. There will be plenty of opposition. Everybody is itching to go.\nK:\nWhat is the weather now?\nM:\nThere is a static front sitting in there -- just about what it's\nbeen, but it should move now in a couple of days. One other thing --\nyou remember the CIA report noted that from 23 over to the main\nartery has been opened. This is not so. I talked to Clay, the Air\nCommander, and told him to get after the road-builders and any\nother effort to develop some crossroad that goes from 23 to the main\nroute and work over the construction workers and not let them open\nthat road, and also to put sensors in there. If they have movements,\nit might be with road machinery. CIA gave the impression it was\nopen. Clay says it isn't.\nK:\nWe are not using 23 very much anyway.\nM:\nThere's a lot of talk about their end-running us. In any event\nthey will be vulnerable.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nAdmiral Moorer/Mr. Kissinger\n12:14 p. m., March 13, 1971\n- 2 -\nK:\nDo you think they have supplies piled up?\nM:\nHell, yes. There is a lot of tonnage north of Tchepone.\nThey doubled troops from 14, 000 to 30, 000; that imposed a burden\nsupply-wise.\nK:\nAre there still enough supplies in that bomb area?\nM:\nYes, plenty. If we get weather, it will be lucrative. There\nare a lot of trucks, supplies, and POL.\nK:\nThat is unusual to be socked in, isn't it?\nM:\nIt's the longest sustained period of sock-in I have noticed,\nbut it will break. It's bound to.\nK:\nIt's killing us on something we are trying to do politically.\nM:\nI just wanted you to have a comfortable weekend.\nK:\nI am relaxed.\nM:\nThings are in fairly good shape.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMarshall Green/Mr. Kissinger\n12:20 p. m., March 13, 1971\nG:\nI have just a small point -- on XX the Mainland China\ntravel restriction. We got a telegram from Taipei on the importance\nof giving the GRC some advance notice.\nK:\nLift it and give the advance notice. I will clear the cable within\nthe next hour.\nG:\nThat will do the trick.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nJack Valenti/Mr. Kissinger\n3:20 p.m., March 13, 1971\nK:\nJack, you have a new war movie in that you want me to see?\nV:\nNo. Are you busy?\nK:\nI have someone now. How about 4:30?\nV:\nAll right. Tell the Southwest gate I'm coming in.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Kissinger/Kay Graham\n5:34 p.m., March 13, 1971\nK:\nKay, how are you? You are doing mischief in your office\non Saturday?\nG:\nI have to do the undone mail -- the cruddy kind that you let\npile up on your desk.\nK:\nI do very little any more. Do you still want me to pick you\nup?\nG:\nYou are nice, but I have changed my mind. Donny called\nme last night. Since he's in the middle of the Women's Liberation\nmovement (even people like Eileen Shanahan are) and said if I went\nit would be viewed very darkly. They feel so seriously about the\nGridiron they are going to picket it. Donny feels I shouldn't. Do\nyou think I shouldn't?\nK:\nIt isn't worth it. If it were a great issue you should do it.\nG:\nI don't feel the way they do about it. I don't really want to\nthwart them.\nK:\nIt's the right thing to do.\nG:\nI had thought about it before and when Donny brought it up,\nI decided not to.\nK:\nI will see you at Joe's then.\nG:\nYes, I will see you at Joe's.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Kissinger/Joseph Alsop\n6:02 p. m., March 13, 1971\nK:\nAs always, you win.\nA:\nCan Nancy come down?\nK:\nI'm afraid not.\nA:\nI am sad, but you will come to dinner. Why not come half\nan hour early and spend half an hour with Isaiah and Eileen before\ndinner.\nK:\nI will try.\nA:\nHe is one of the most interesting people I know.\nK:\nI know; I like him very much.\nA:\nI know you didn't get to spend much time with them at lunch.\nHenry is in the category which David Cisler called the \"net and trident\"\nhost. I will put you next to Eileen at dinner and after dinner next to\nIsaiah and then you will have a chance to talk properly. How are things\ngoing?\nK:\nThere is nothing to go at the moment.\nA:\nI'm afraid I may make a little trouble on Monday.\nK:\nYou couldn't be making any trouble. Just don't praise me.\nA:\nI don't say anything about you, but I have a great deal to say\nabout the President rescuing us from the State Department arabesques.\nI also say a few tiny words about Mr. Bergus.\nK:\nI look forward to that column.\nA:\nIt's a trouble-making column.\nK:\nIt doesn't hurt sometimes.\nA:\nI said he singlehandedly rescued us from these awful people. I\nsaid there's much to be said about the Rogers plan providing it is slightly\nmodified.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nMr. Kissinger/Joseph Alsop\n6:02 p.m., March 13, 1971\n- 2 -\nK:\nI look forward eagerly to reading it. I must go to the Gridiron.\nA:\nYou shouldn't go.\nK:\nIt's my last one.\nA:\nWhat do you mean?\nK:\nI won't go next year.\nA:\nYou should plead a sick headache this year. You will be in\nthe middle of it.\nK:\nThat's all the more reason to go.\nA:\nI never saw anything smarter and sharper than inviting that\nnun and the others. Even McGrory was amiable about it.\nK:\nYes she was. See you tomorrow.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nRon Ziegler\n3/15/71 9:20 a.m.\nZ: How was the Gridiron?\nK: Pretty good. They let us off pretty easy. The Vice President\nwent after Rogers which was unnecessary\nZ: What did he say?\nK: He said he had read all these stories about the Secretary of State\nnot being very well known. He said it isn't true; \"We all revere Rogers,\nand his wife Dale and his horse Trigger.\"\nZ: No! I'll bet that drove Rogers right up the wall.\nK: he said he wants to confirm the fack that President calls the Sec-\nretary of State at least three times a day and he comes to the White House\ntwo days a week. It isn't anybody's fault all the crises happen at night.\nYou shouldn't attack your own people. Dole was an unmitigated disaster.\nZ: That's what I heard.\nK: He was yerrible. Kennedy was outstanding. The skits let us off easy.\nZ: The reason I called: There was a big headline here saying Tchepone\nhas been reoccupied by Communist forces.\nK: This was a natural occurrance, according to plan.\nZ: I understand that.\nK: Say there was no enemy pressure when they pulled back they are\ngoing in a southeasterly direction.\nZ: They will ask me \"does this mean the ARVN operation is winding up\nor coming to an end? 11 Between you and me, what are the facts?\nK: Say 'can't tell you for sure. I Hope it isn't and have been assured it\nisn't. It was always announced as being limited in time and space.\nZ: The New York Times had a headline yesterday saying that the operation\nwill be completed in 18 days.\nK: That is not true.\nZ: No?\nK: No, but I would give myself a little escape hatch.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nPeter Flanigan/Mr. Kissinger\n9:52 a. m., March 15, 1971\nK:\nWhat is it you want me to do at noon?\nF:\nHave you seen the list of people?\nK:\nI will be on my knees. What do I say?\nF:\nI am looking forward to your future commercial well-being.\nDescribe for these people where we are in Vietnam and where you\nthink we will be going in our defense posture.\nK:\nIs that what they want? That's fine. How about a general\nreview of foreign policy?\nF:\nSpecifically Vietnam, but a general review of foreign policy.\nWe will make it short. I would hope that you would give them time\nto ask you questions.\nK:\nHave we an hour?\nF:\nUp to an hour. You can cut it short. You don't have to be late\nto impress them.\nK:\nI will talk for 15 minutes and then they can ask questions.\nF:\nWe will give them a half-hour for questions.\nK:\nIn the Roosevelt Room?\nF:\nIn the Roosevelt Room.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nShultz/Kissinger\n9:55 a.m.\n3/15/71\nK: I have my children here right now. Could I try for later this morning?\nS: What time would you suggest?\nK: How about 3:00 this afternoon? That's absolutely safe.\nS: All right.\nK: What are the subjects?\nS: I want to see where we stand on intelligence review and second, I want to\nexpress some concerns about the Defense Dept. and particarly the impact\nof not being able to do anything about base closings.\nK: We have to do something about Defense.\nS: I will come to your office at & 3:00.\nK: You just made my day.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nMr. Kissinger/Secretary Rogers\n(not verbatim)\nMarch 15, 1971 10:55 m.\njlj\nK: Hello Bill. Senator Jackson was in here on Saturday about the Safeguard\ndecision. He is worried that we are going to knock it out from under him in\nSALT.\nthinking that the President decided\nNCA zero and 4-\nSafeguard system and see where we came out. In talking to the President\nyesterday he said to have Gerry Smith present it hard and not just sluff\nover it.\nR: You are speaking about the standstill now\nzero and NCA\nK: Yes. Not say they can buildup.\nR: I call it stand where we are, stay where we are.\nK: That is a good way to call it.\nR: I will see that he does not do that. He does feel strongly on zero.\nI feel that it is not quite fair for us to have to give up and let them go on.\nIt would be politically difficult for us.\nK: That is what Jackson says. He said that all the people that fought for us\nwill look like fools. Should not be giving it up.\nR: I have not been enthusiastic about NCA one. It does not seem fair to\nme to ask us to destroy all of ours and let them retain what they have.\nK: NCA becomes close to becoming zero for us because we cannot get it\nthrough Congress.\nR: We fought like hell for ABM and then if we have to deskoxxx destroy ours\nand\nOK, I will be sure that that is done. Let's see, there was something\nelse. Oh, I am XXX curious about Jackson. Did Mel go ahead and tell him to\nrelease that?\nK: He talked as though he was taking the credit for the leak.\nR: He is a strange fellow.\nK: Who, Mel?\nR: Yes. I was talking to him before\nand he was speaking as if he was\nhorror struck that this leak had happened.\nHe\nsaid\nisn't\nthat\nterrible\nand\nhow\ndid that happen.\nK: The next morning he talked to me - after the NSC meeting - and said, well,\nXEE we got it out all right, didn't we?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-2-\nHe talked if he had gotten it out it would have created a terrible fuse.\nR: If that is the plan of action\nK: No. The President knew nothing, I knew nothing about it and I assume\nyou didn't know anything about it.\nXX R: I wouldn't think the President would want to have Jackson making\nannouncements.\nK: No. We have been sitting on it for two weeks. Didn't want to announce\nit and create a fuse until we got the latest photography.\nR: Ok. I will talk to Phil Farley and we that that is done.\nK: Thank you Bill.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\ntelecon\nSecretary Rogers\n3/15/71 11:35 a. m.\nR: On this Graff appointment - - I think if we could have no more\ndiscussion about it\nhe is trying to see Mel too. He thinks and I\nthink it would be better\nwhat else can we say? It's all in the\nState of the World.\nK: This is more about the NSC system, not about substance.\nR: But it will turn out that way. He says it is more a decision-making\nprocess, but that's been hashed over so many times.\nK: I see the point. What we absolutely don't need is a discussion of\nrelative positions of various people.\nR: That's how it will come out.\nK: He's a very responsible guy and he did a compassionate thing on\nthe Johnson process.\nR: What can we say that isn't in the State of the World message. That's\nas authoritative as you can get. He can't write it without getting back into\nwho's on top.\nK: I see your point. Perbapsxic Proglem is I have turned him off three\ntimes.\nR: I have too. My point is it's all in the State of the World; there's\nnothing else to say. Did you see the Leacocus thing about you and me. It's\nthe best article on the subject I've seen.\nK: He's a thoughtful person.\nR: Yes, what I am going to od is say here is the State of the World, here\nis our report, here is Leacocum¹ thing and there's nothing else to say.\nK: Let me do the same. The problem is he's a fellow I've known. I\nwill see him briefly, but I won't give him an interview. The one thing I\nhave no interest in is\nI will not give him a substantive interview\nwithout talking first to you and Mel.\nR: My real preference is what I've said. If he's a friend, I'd just say\nwe don't have anything else to say.\nK: Okay, let me do that. If there's anything else I'll talk to you first.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nGen. Vogt/Kissinger\nmid-afternoon 3/15/71\nK: I have had a call from the President who is getting antsy about the weather.\nV: It's lousy. Socked in. No visibility. About 1000 ft.\nK: We are going to loose the thing. It's the longest period we have had.\nV: The longest for this month. They have been sitting on ready. Our\nauthorization runs out on the 17th. Can it be extended?\nK: Yeah.\nV: I don't see any possibility of tomorrow.\nK: That means two weeks.\nV: One stream of lousy weather. We have watched it.\nK: They are not look for cloudless skies, are they?\nV: No, sir. There's a solid cloud cover. It's hanging right in there. The Laos\nside is clear. It's right down the mountain chain.\nK: He wants a daily report on the weather.\nV: We will give it every day.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nThe President\n3/15/71 11:45 a. m.\nP: Just checking in.\nK: There's not much new in Laos.\nP: Weather cleared up yet?\nK: No. It's the longest\nP: My God! I can't believe it. It was already the longest a week ago.\nNow it's practically two wekks. We anticipated that it would be\nK: We made a rocket attack on Khesahn today. There were a lot of\nrockets but not much damage. We've got that pretext\nP: We've still got that but it's got to clear up!\nK: They thought they could get it off in 48 hours when you authorized\nit two weeks ago.\nP: I just want to make sure it's the weather. Just tell them I want a\nreport at 8:30 when I get to my office every morning and one at 8:30 at\nnight. Fair enough?\nK: Right. Brandt's party took a clobbering in Berlin.\nP: What? That's his city. That's amazing.\nK: They still have a majority but this used to be a city he dominated/\nP: It does indicate some concern about his policies.\nK: Right. It will make the Soviets more eager to use our channel.\nP K: Right.\nK: I'm seeing Dobrynin this afternoon.\nP: At 4:30?\nK: At 4:00. But this won't make any difference.\nP: I would put it pretty damn tough. Say here it is fellows ; it's not\na bargaining position- thought it all through.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nThe President\n3/15/71 11:45 a. m.\npage 2\nIf they don't like the deal, fine.\nK: They are asking us to dismantle our ABM while they keep theirs and\nbuild like crazy while they do nothing. I'll send you down the latest totals picked\nup in Laos - they're quite significant. And Abrams sent you a long cable\nwhich I will have summarized.\nP: You don't need to send it down. I'll be back tonight.\nK: It's very positive.\nP: He's not jittery?\nK: No, he's extremely confident.\nP: It's a bigger goal (?) than everyone realized.\nK: That's his view. Of course we will have Haig's view when he gets back.\nThese are the major things of interest.\nP: What about casualtied?\n41\nK:\na drop of three.\nP: So it has cooled off?\nK: Yes, and many of those were in other parts of the country. I think it\nwill continue dropping.\nP: My plans at the present time may be to go to California on the 29th\nor the 28th of March, and spend that week out there and\nK: And wind up there\nP: No, not wind up there. I have to be back on the fifth for the Presidential\nopener and there's\non the 6th and the troop statement on the\n7th. But I might want to get Abrams and Bunker over.\nK: Abrams probably would be reluctant to leave during a military operation.\nP: If that's the case we won't do it. I was thinking of having him in\nCalffornia around the first of April. The idea would be to discuss our troop\nthing and its results and SO forth. That way we would getø a double kick out\nof the thing.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nThe President\n3/15/71 11:45 a. m.\npage 3\nK: We did get him back during Cambodia.\nP: That's right. We can get him back, give the troop statement.\nI don't really have to do it. I've got other things to do in California anywaysx\nK: It might be a good idea.\nP: To have him come back at this time -- talk about what we are doing.\nOf course if you got everyone there\nK: That's the problem.\nP K: It wouldn't be particularly helpful. That's the problem isn't it?\nK: Yes. But Haig will be back by the 22nd or 21st SO you can still make\nup your mind then.\nP: On the 21st or 22nd we can still plan. I'm going there anyway but\nthat's one event we might put in if we want.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRogers/Kissinger\n5:30 p.m.\n3/15/71\nK: I am not seeing that fellow.\nR: I think that's good. I want to talk about a couple of things. On this report\nwe have just about worked it out. The only thing you haven't looked at is the\nintroduction and which we will say is the introduction by the Secy. of State which\nis a little summary. If you could look at it, we are sending it to Kennedy in an\nhour or so. It's not the greatest literary work but none are really but make\nsure nothing inconsistent with the State of the World. I tried to meld them and\nsay it's the Presidant's policy and still make it personal. Any suggestions are\nwelcome.\nK: We will not nitpick it.\nR: We have maps in there for breaking the script up. One map on the Soviet\nUnion and strategic weapons. XXXX There's some figures in the State of the\nWorld but it dowsn't show throw away so I told them to eliminate the figures.\nSo I think it's pretty well checked out.\nK: When will it be released?\nR: A week from Thurs. or Friday. If we can get it to the printer tomorrow\nnight or Wed. ?\nK: Is it long?\nR: The summary is about 35 pages. Not very long. I think it will be a useful\ndocument.\nK: I think they compliment each other well.\nR: I tried to say that the President has published State of the World that' sets\nforth policy and tried to explain why we are doing this.\nK: I read through your text and I think it will be a first class reference work.\nR: It shows the things we have done which people forget. The other thing is\nthat I am going to have the press conference.\nK: Thursday?\nR: Tomorrow. Preisdent is thinking of having one this week.\nK: On domestic things?\nR: I don't know. Friday, Zeigler said. I just had a briefing from Defense on\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nRogers/Kissinger\n6:30 p.m. 3/15/71\n-2-\nR: (cont) Laos.\nK: As long as we hold firm on offensive/defensive ling.\nR: What's the arguement?\nK: The Soviet Union wants us to stop building the one thing we are building while\nthey build up offensive weapons and we say they should be brought under control\nsimultaneously.\nR: In case of Johnson berecommended ABM separately and they said no and now\nand our position is sound.\nK: I think so. It's the one strategic weapons program we have. Except for MIRV.\nR: That's why I don't like to empahsize that because the press says there's\nMIRV. They are going ahead with MRV's and we are going ahead with MIRVs\ntoo. I think they will ask mostly about Laos and the M.E.\nK: I think we are together on this.\nR: Mel called on the secure phone about the situation in the DMZ. The SAMs\nin NVN. Wanted to know if we should do anything diplomatically.\nK: I think that would be a mistake.\nR: Sure. It doesn't look like a prelude to invasion.\nK: We have enough ? ???. If the damn weather lifts.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nKay Graham\n3/15/71 5:30 p.m.\nK: All the wise people here are of the opinion that it would be a slap\nif I didn't show up.\nG: I agree. You must go. You couldn't and I'm ashamed of myself.\nI called you in my girlish enthusiasm.\nK: Can I drop by after?\nG: Yes, please do. You could break loose; you don't have to stay for\nthe entertainment do you?\nK: No, it's only entertainment and the reception. But I have a feeling\nif I don'e show on Mrs. Nixon's birthday and if one of the Nixon courtiers\npoints out that I was at your house\nG: We'd both be beheaded. But do come if you can.\nK: You'll keep going till 11:30 or so?\nG: Yes. Just come if you can. You don't have to let me know at all.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nProf. Graff/Kissinger\n5:45 p.m.\n3/15/71\nK: I have the following problem. This town is wallowing in * bruised\nfeelings on these stories and then there was some roasting in public at the\nGridiron Club. So Ix when you requested an appointment with Laird and Rogers\nthey said they wouldn't see you and asked me as a favor not to see you.\nG: I talked with McCloskey and I persuaded him I XX should see Rogers.\nK: If you see Rogers I will didn't see you immediately. I am doing this on a human\ngrounds. I told him I think you were going to draw X\nconclusions.\nG: I have gone over my notes with Elliot Richardson and\nand I think\nthe whole thing is nonsense. I think there are a UXIX number of other things\nthat go into this.\nK: No problem with me. If either of the others WX see you, I will immediately.\nG: A question of tactics at this end. If McCloskey says is Kissinger seeing\nyou, because I told him I was\nK: Say that I said I will if Rogers will. Otherwise we can do it in a few months\nwhen feelings subside.\nG: I want you to know I am greatly obliged to you and your staff for your\narrangements. I am sorry this\ngot into this. E. Richardson said this\ngot into everything before anyone knew what was happening. Happened with\nBundy and Rusk.\nK: Let's stay in touch.\nG: In any case, if this is raised in the next week.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRogers/Kissinger\n6:22 p.m.\n3/15/71\nR: On the Eban visit has he asked to see the President?\nK: No, but me.\nR: How are we going to play that?\nK: Why doesn't Sisco come with him, or Atherton? If I don't see him it will\nlook like a cold shoulder. Half an hour visit.\nR: If Joe is there then no one can claim a wedge.\nK: Joe or Atherton.\nR: I think there's a criticism of Joe building up.\nK: Then have Joe. If I refuse to see him it will be a slap in the face. Is that\nagreeable with you?\nR: Yes. that's fine with Joe.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger\nLady Jackson\n3/15/71; 6:35 p.m.\nJ: I am only here until tomorrow evening. God knows what your life\nmust be like. If you have a moment tomorrow afternoon -- late part of\nthe afternoon -- I would like to come by.\nK: How late can you come?\nJ: Around 6ish.\nK: Let's aim for 6:00. Will you call in the late afternoon just to make\nsure.\nJ: Listen, Henry, don't feel you have to\nK: I think we know each other well enough if for some reason I can't\nmake it.\nJ: I will call around 4:00ish. If you can manage, that will be splendid.\nfeg\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmbassador Annenberg\n3/16/71 9:50 a. m.\nA: I just had a conversation with Sir John Ben, the head of the\nEnglish Speaking Union. If you are in London on or about June 9 they\nwould be pleased to give a luncheon for you at the Park Lane.\nK: Right. What is June 9? Some special occasion?\nA: No, he suggested the date. I don't know of any significance.\nK: Is he suggesting any time I am in England?\nA: He said his understanding was that you would be here on or\nabout that period. If they could get you and have you for luncheon on\nor about that date they would be delighted.\nK: I don't have a fixed date. I would like some excuse to get to\nEurope some time in June.\nA: Why don't you look your calendar over again and give me an\napproximate period?\nK: Okay, who don't we do it?\nA: When will you get back to me? I would like to call Sir John.\nCan I tell him I will have an answer within 4 or 5 days?\nK: Yes, I'll get back to you within 4 or 5 days.\n3/16/71 11:25 a.m.\nA: The officials of the Speaking Union are pointing out that because\nof the difficulty of getting representative room in June or July the best they\ncan come up with is the Hilton\nThey are having a bar association\nmeeting here beginning in July and going straight on through. There is no\nroom Xx available except the ballroom on June 9.\nK: Its that a public speech?\nA: Yes, they would like to have a distinguished group. They want it\nto be a luncheon because they want representative citizens.\nK: Is there going to be any press?\nA: I don't suppose you can avoid it with 6800 people.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmb. Annenberg\n3/16/71 a.m. page 2\nK: My understanding is that they are like these Council on Foreign\nRelations things, no text and no reporting. I can't maintain my position\nof not testigfing before Congressional committees if I give public speeches.\nA: Let me get back to them.\nK: There's something wrong here. Some one told me that there is\nan annual dinner they give.\nA: Last year the dinner they had honored Winston Churchill.\nSenator Scott was the speaker from the States.\nK: Someone asked me whether I was interested in doing something\nsimilar. But if they are under the impression that they are doing me a\nfavor they are wrong.\nA: No, no, they are not under that impression. Theythought this\nwould enable them to get an executive and X citizensinterested in what you\nhave to say together. A luncheon would be easier than a dinner gathering.\nK: I have to see when the NATO meeting is. I don't want to be there\nwhen the Secretary of State is. I don't want to upstage him.\nA: He is coming for the bar association meeting - that will be\nsome time in July. So I can't see him coming also in June.\nK: But he will be there for the NATO meeting also?\nA: Maybe; I know he is coming for the SEATO meeting in the latter\npart of April. The NATO meeting would be in Brussels, not in London I am\nsure.\nL!' I will let you know in three or four days. But you say it has got\nto be on June 9?\nA: The problem is to get a decent facility.\nK: Okay, I will let you know by next Monday at the latest.\nA: Okay, and if you want me to emphasize no reports present I will\ndo my best on that.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmb. Annenberg\n3/16/71 a.m. page 3\nK: That I would have to insist on.\nA: To get the room I would have to let them know in a wekk.\nK: Okay, I'll be back to you by Monday.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRogers/Kissinger\n10:04 m. 3/16/71\nK: I was just talking to Ron and I think we should say nothing on troop withdrawal.\nI know Laird is skrixtx spouting off.\nR: I can't say nothing.\nK: Can't we say the President will make the announcement?\nR: Sure, we either have to say -- if my information is correct -- we have to back\noff what Mel said. You should find out what the President wants to say. If he wants\nit to be 3000 more per week that may increase this summer and they pushed\nhim on 50, 000 at the end of the summer. I can't say nothing because they will\nbe bank big news. I should say the President hasn't decided yet. When the\nPresident referred to it he meant an average rate.\nK: I think you should say that. I just didn't -- it's not directed at you, obviously -- - -\nhe pre-empts the President and he locks us in and we only get a blip in the\nnewspaper.\nR: I only said the President would announce in April.\nK: That's how it should be played. We don't gain repeating day after day.\nR: How did the President phrase it?\nK: Keep that same rate and maybe improve it. 150, 000 was at the rate of\n12, 500 but there were two months we didn't withdraw any.\nR: I will try to handle it. I don't want to head on with Mel but I don't think boxk he\nshould announce it.\nK: That's my feeling.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSonnenfeldt/Kissinger\nnoon-ish\n3/16/71\nS: the language doesnt work with minutemen and Poseidon. Capability is\ndifferent. Work out replacement all together or say it doesn't preclude\non base site. See the point? You language could be interpreted as preconcluding.\nI think the simple way to do it to keep replacement in say modernization and\nwithin existing categoreis of weapons on each side. Have other clause in there\nabout not contravening the\n.\nK: Yours is too complicated. They would think the President thought it up. What\nI would have to say is so long as the total number don't increase.\nS: That's all right.\nK: The tax trouble is if you say weapons of the same category you can't shift\nfrom land-based to sea-based.\nS: Then you can't use your language at all and keep it simple and say not\nmodernization and replacements.\nK: Theyxtxxxxx then they are free to go from SS-11 to SS-9.\nS: Knock out replacement and put in\n.\nYou can go from land to sea if you re-\nplaced within category of sea systems ? ? ?\n.\nK: But you couldn't go from Minuteman to sea-based.\nS: xWxxxxx You would go from Polaris to Alms.\nK: Replacement by weapons of the same category. I will change that. I appreciate\nthat.\nS: I have your phrasing, doesn't increase - - that's fine.\nK: Annenberg is driving me out of my mind on English Speaking movement.\n(Then he proceeded to tell Sonnenfeldt that Annaneberg had called and wanted to\nhave a lunch formx him on June.9. Sonnenfeldt said that no, it was supposed to\nbe an open-ended invitation. HAK said that Annenberg had indicated he wanted\nto do a lunch but that that wasn't reason enough for him to go to London. HS\nagreed and said he had been dealing with Tom Hughes and that it was for the\nChurchill memorial dinner and the date was supposed to be open. He said\nobkiously it was screwed up and he would try to straighten it out MAKIX when he\nretunned. HAK said he would talk with Cromer.)\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMcGeo. Bundy/Kissinger\n12:08 p.m.\n3.16.71\nK: I was a little remiss about the Congressional status of (steno missed this\nportion due to being interupted. However, it may have had to do with CSW and\ndefoliation as Bundy had called about this earlier). He will be prepared to\ncooperate.\nB: Something Congress is doing to legislate Congress. I just saw half your\ncolleagues at the Whitney Young funeral. Take care and I will call McGregor.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Laird\n3/16/71 2:08 p.m.\nL: I'm still at the Senate Armed Services Committee.\nK: The President is very anxious that we kill any further talk about the\ntroop withdrawal. He didn't mean every month the same figure.\nL: No, the average, the average! I used exactly his quote, word for\nword. And then I took his transcript yesterday and stayed within his words.\nI'll send you a copy of the transcript now.\nK: I think it's best at this point to say we won't say any more till the\nPresident speaks.\nL: All I want to do is support the President. I'm not going to walk away\nfrom him.\nK: Right.\nL: I have gone over the State document at some length.\nK: Whach?\nL: The one that's going to the printer's today. I sent over our comments\nbut I guess there won't be meetings on that particular document.\nK: We weren't clear about the schedule, but that will be rectified in the\nfuture.\nL: I don't think it's the greatest workmanship I've ever seen.\nK: It has no particular point of view.\nL: It doesn't mention the Nixon Doctrine; doesn't mention the Cambodian\nthr ust, makes it look like we are following foreign policy rather than leading\nit. It doesn't hurt anybody, but it doesn't help either.\nK: That's my feeling too.\nL: I communicated that, but I think it's better to let it drop now.\nK: We thought that with feelings as they were it was best to let it drop.\nThere was going to be a meeting, but I didn't realize we were working within\na d eadline.\nL: Will you get a copy of the statement to the President so he doesn't\nthink I am not following his language?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Laird\n3/16/71 2:08 p.m.\npage 2\nK: Right, I'll get the transcript in to him.\nL: I'll send it to you right away.\nK: Would you? That will help.\nL: I wasn't going to go this far. But once the President sets the pattern\nK: That's right. I don't think there was any anguish over here. Bill had\na press conference today -- he quoted the President and asked for guidance.\nL: You make sure the President sees it. You look at the questions and\nanswers; you'll see he's never gotten better support. I think you ought to read\nthe whole thing. I didn't want to go on this thing.\nK: I think it generally helpful to go on these things.\nL: But I do want to have you read it over. The weather is bad there now.\nIt looks like nothing can go for 48 more hours.\nK: And the authority runs out tomorrow?\nL: Yes. We'll probably extend it unless there's a good reason not to.\nK: What do you think about it?\nL: Let me consider. I have been thinking we would just automatically,\nbut let me think about it.\nK: Probably ought to extend it 72 hours, but then reconsider it.\nL: Okay. I'm disturbed about this other thing.\nK: It was not a big flap. The President wants a weather report every 12\nhours so we can't just cancel the authority. Let's talk later in the day.\nL: In the foreign policy report I was disturbed we didn't talk more about\nCambodia. But we got these things cranked in.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nJohn Carroll/Kissinger\n(reporter with Baltimore\n2:55 p.m.\n3/16/71\nSun)\nC: I wanted to confirm with you the Mary McGrory story and get any reflections\non it.\nK: I don't want to be quoted. Secondly, I am getting a little disheartened because\nI have been seeing people at the same rate for every week and I have been keeping\nit quiet.\nC: Why do you want to keep it quiet?\nK: If it gets public everyone will speak for the record. I thought it was important\nto extablish human rapport and have people who are concerned can be heard by\ngovernment. IfThis turns into an exercise that becomes political, I don't know if\nI can do it.\nC: Can you tell me the extent you have had with people?\nK: Between student groups or individuals at least one a week.\nC: For how long?\nK: At least since Cambodia and probably before.\nC: In keeping with your policy of not trying to publicize these things, can you\ntell me which people have been in?\nK: I don't want to.\nC: Now that McGrory is well publicized how would it come about?\nk: We ran into each other at the Radio Broadcaster's dinner and said we should\nget together. I followed it up.\nC: What were the topics?\nK: I don't want to go into it. Mary McGrory said I didn't want this. That's not\ntrue. I didn't want anyone to think I was trying to accomplish something of a\npolitical nature.\nC: You don't want to be quoted on what you are telling me. Can I say a source\nclose to Dr. Kissinger?\nK: Which part?\nC: What you have said about meeting with a variety of groups before and ran\ninto the Senator at dinner.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nJohn Carroll/Kissinger\n2:55 p.m.\n3/16/71\n-2-\nK: You can put it that way.\nC: I don't follow what you said about the correction of the article.\nK: I don't want him to think I was seeing him on behalf of the President so it\nwouldn't have poltical connotations but it doesn't mean the Preisdent was against\nit. He is aware of the general policy and approves it but heddidn't clear with him.\nC: Who else?\nK: He and I.\nC: One other personal question. In reading about youxxlately and talking\naround I get the impression that you are disheartened\nK: Absolutely not.\nC: Not true? Still plugging?\nK: In great shape. My meglomania is cooking on all cylinders. Ask my staff.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Dobrynin/Kissinger\n3:08 p.m.\n3/16/71\nK: Say, I can't stay away from you.\nD: It's mutual.\nK: I just talked here to the President about our conversation. Hewanted to make\nsure that even though you and I I will explain the thinking more on Friday - -\nthat we must insist on some organic\nthere. The text is basically the\nconcept on what we have to operate. I dont want you to misunderstand that\nwe will agree to ABM only. He will not unless it's in the context of the letter.\nD: As it is now.\nK: Right. I confirmed the word changes.\nD: The contents as we discussed.\nK: That's fine.\nD: At last by the end we were clear.\nK: What we discussed is exactly confirmed.\nD: Nothing new.\nK: I don't want you to mistake what I said at the end that our views were less\nfirm.\nD: I asked on another question. Philosophical but not on this one.\nK: Tha t's what I said. I thought you understood. At the end we were discussing\nphilosophy.\nD: Vienna House will be done ?????\nK: As it was in sequence as you described it. See you Friday.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRowland Evans/Kisinger\n3:12 p. m.\n3/16/71\nK: Didn't you call me?\nE: Somethis is wrong if you don't get such a letter. He doesn't know about it.\nI called McCloskey.\nK: The President wrote me a letter.\nE: That was published. When you made your decision on Harvard. I was mis-\ninformed. I am doing research for the book. I was trying to run it down.\nK: Not to the best of my knowledge.\nE: Anything with Eban?\nK: I don't know if he is the key policy maker. If there's one, I don't know if it's\nhim.\nE: ? ? ? ? it will be the first time done it?\nK: MX Yeah.\nE: You XX are coming to dinner on the 15th? I joined forces with Kay Graham.\nK: I was planning on vacation then.\nE: Do it Friday morning because pebple all over the country who want to meet you.\nK: And they will all be men too, if I know you.\nE: I would like to explore the origin of that. How about breakfast?\nK: Next week? Txx Tuesday?\nE: 8:30 in your office? Or the Metropolitan Club?\nK: 8:00 at the Metropolitan. The only reason there is to get a different breakfast.\nI will be there on the 15th.\nX\nheard\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Rogers\n3/16/71 6:40 p.m.\nR: I wanted to tell you the report we talked about last night -- we accepted\nall the suggestions you made.\nK: Terrific. I thought it was first class.\nR: It's not a great piece of literature.\nK: No, but it's a good summary and has a nice warm feeling. It was very\nconstructive and more human than the world report.\nR: It fits in and doesn't look competitive.\nK: No, it's very good.\nR: And on my press conference it was not a great success.\nK: I thought it was good.\nR: It worked out okay. The Laos thing was good.\nK: I haven't seen it but my NSC people who follow these things said it was good.\nR: The questions were awfully stupid. Look at the transcript.\nK: The people here said it was extremely good.\nR: The questions were very dead, but on the whole it was all right. No\nmistakes. I think the President will like the part about Laos. I said it just the\nway we planned it. No decision spest yet?\nK: On the withdrawal thing?\nR: Yes. I pointed out yesterday that it was a success. I gave a lot of\nreasons. Two of them -- no one mentions that no fighting is going on in\nCambodia and in South Vietnam. 92 is cut off; 914 is being attacked and harrassed\nby the South Vietnamese.\nK: The census showed a drop\nR: 23 is not being used. Truck kills (?) have lagged. Oil supply line is cut.\nAnd fighting in Cambodia as far as Cambodian forces are concerned -- they\naren't fighting.\nK: One other thing. About 6 weeks ago I was invited to dine with the Iddian\nAmbassador. I told him I'd reciprocate and invite him to lunch. Do you have any\nobj ections to my having him for lunch? Take him to Sans Souci?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Rogers\n3/17/71 6:40 p.m.\npage 2\nR: I think having it in your office would be better.\nK: Okay.\nR: I thought that meeting with the Berrigans was pretty good. Did it\nma ke anyone mad?\nK: Kleindienst blew his top. But I didn't leak it; they did.\nR: Good idea. Disarm your enemies.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMr. Kissinger/The Attorney General\n7:10 p.m., March 16, 1971\nK:\nI am returning your call.\nM:\nI didn't call you, thank you very much. I tried to get hold of Haig\nto see if he could find out what happened to this newspaper man.\nK:\nWhat's his name?\nM:\nBill Barton, the guy who was shot over there yesterday?\nK:\nDo you want me to find out?\nM:\nI would appreciate it, the 8 pm -- our friends in the press have been\ntrying to find out about it. It was apparently at Tan Son Nhut.\nK:\nWhat was his name?\nM:\nWilliam Barton, he covered the Justice Department before he was\nsent over there.\nK:\nGood. See you for lunch Thursday.\nM:\nI just wanted to know all about Gene McCarthy.\nK:\nThe bastards now have found that\nM:\nYou are a softie.\nK:\nI didn't think they would use such publicity.\nM:\nThey all find their way to Mary McGrory.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMr. Kissinger/Secretary Laird\n7:35 p.m., March 16, 1971\nK:\nWith respect to this authority, I think -- I have talked to the President\nabout it and it should continue at least for a couple more days, say\nuntil Friday evening.\nL:\nCan I go back to Bill, I have kept him informed.\nK:\nYou can certainly go back to Bill.\nL:\nHe has argued with this but I will just tell him the President wants to\ndo it.\nK:\nI don't want it not done just if the weather is bad.\nL:\nThey have authority until 12. They really have 48 hours from 12.\nIt is from the time, you know.\nK:\nRight.\nL:\nThey can go ahead on a 72-hour thing. We haven't had any reaction for\nthe past few days, even on the reconnaissance. The reaction thing\nhappened in the latter part of February and we have to stick with that\nstory.\nK:\nOn the reaction thing, we have got to.\nL:\nWe have got to stick with that. I want to make sure everyone doesn't\npull away from it. Have you read the transcript?\nK:\nNo, I haven't read it.\nL:\nGoddammit it! I wasn't the one who started that.\nK:\nI know you weren't.\nL:\nI don't like to bother the President with things like that but if people\nare going to him direct on these things, then I am too.\nK:\nBill went to Ziegler and Ziegler went to him, instead of coming to me.\nL:\nI gave him the strongest support we can give him. When it goes public,\nI am going to support it.\nK:\nRight.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMr. Kissinger/Secretary Laird\n7:35 p.m., March 16, 1971 -- page 2\nL:\nKennedy called Dan Murphy about the little memo I sent to the President\non these contacts we are getting from the White House.\nK:\nI haven't read it yet. I didn't know Kennedy called Murphy.\nL:\nI wish you would look at it. We have got 50 different channels. The\nmemo to the President is just to reaffirm that the channel is through\nyou. We get memos from over there every other day and I am not\ngoing to pay any attention to them unless it comes through this channel.\nK:\nI agree and I like it that way.\nL:\nI wrote the memo to the President and really just want that reaffirmed.\nIt is a compliment to you, Henry. I talked to Bill about that report. He\nreally is whetted to it.\nK:\nFrankly he is taking such a beating in the press, I didn't want to ram\nit down his throat.\nL:\nThere are inconsistencies between the President's foreign policy report\nand\n.\nThey are very numerous and I have made a\ncomparison\nK:\nWould you send me a copy.\nL:\nI don't want to get into that. We will get cut off on some of those.\nK:\nNext year we will clear all of them through these committees.\nL:\nI will support you, you know that Henry. The Chairman of the Joint\nChiefs I will talk to you about that some other time. Do you have\nany other problems?\nK:\nNo other problems, I will see you soon. I am going to the Irish Reception\ntonight, are you going to be there?\nL:\nNo, I just had a daughter married and she just came home and I\nam staying home.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSecyl Morton/kisssinger\n10:05 a. m.\n3/17/71\nM: Is there anything I should know about Williams thing thag came out of the\nappointment on Micronesia thing? I wasn't in these discussions. I came out\nof the blue.\nK: I am sorry.\nM: Neither I or Secy.\nknew anything about it.\nK: There was no intention to keep you out of it.\nM: I think I know what you want him to do.\nK: We don't want the State Dept. to run it and it was a problem of interdepart-\nmental machinery. We wanted someone appointed by the President but that you\nwould have access to.\nM: I juxxxxxxxx just don't want to make a slip. He is not like every other\nambassador. He will røport to me or the President.\nK: Not taking away existing responsibilities.\nM: It's a good idea because our office of territories is nothing.\nK: He k is a hell of a good fellow.\nM: He is coming here. in a few minutes.\nK: No change of changing jurisdiction (?).\nM: Just ask your boys to let us know.\nK: Probably because of the change in administration in your building. We are\nresponsibile but probably came from the change in your building.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nLord Cromer/Kissinger\n10:12 a. m.\n3/17/71\nC: I have two messages for the President. One a thank you letter sgying how\ngreat everyone is about\n.\nThe other is about computers. I will not\nsend them personally but I will send them to Bergsten for your desk as appro-\npriate but wanted you to know they are on their way.\nK: I will get them to the President later when he rethrns.\nC: I missed you at dinner last night. The first time in some time.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Arguelles/Kissinger\n10:16 a. m.\n3/17/71\nK: I am mortified because I understand due to t a slip up you never got a reply\nto that request. Alex Johnson thought I was getting in touch with you and vice\nversa. Now he is waiting for your call. My profound apologies.\nA: I let you know I was away from Washington until Monday evening.\nK: I had itxstexex settled whom you should deal with a week ago.\nA: I will call Alex.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nU.A. Johnson/Kissinger\n10:17 a. m.\n3/17/71\nK: I just wanted to remind you that the Spanish Ambassador would be calling\nabout their project in Tunisia.\nJ: That's right.\nK: Lopez Bravo sent him in to see me. I sent him to you. I just want to be\nsure\nJ: I am glad you reminded me because it slipped my mind.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRogers/Kissinger\n10:31 a.m.\n3/17/71\nR: I notice here going through my papers this morning on the protocol on\nherbicieds and tear gas that neither Mel or Packard are testifying. I don't\nthink that's right. It's going to be Nutter. They will have Bundy against us.\nK: I think we should get out our senior peopbe. I will call them this morning.\nR: Nutter will kill it. Did Mel call youxxxx in anguish?\nK: About the xpex report?\nR: No, because I supported him on --\nK: He called me first. I told him the President wanted him to stop giving\nfigures.\nR: When?\nK: At 2:15 I called him and said the President wanted him to stop giving the\nfigures which Zeigler told you and then becalled in the evening.\nR: He called this morning and complained. Mexlsaid I did what the President\nwanted. I said after you used figures I got word from the WH saying they\ndidn't want me to use figures. Hecalled this morning and said the President\nsaid this.\nK: If we had let it drop then there'd have been no problem.\nR: I didn't use figures.\nK: It kept the existing rate which isn't the same as giving the rate month after\nmonth. The President is travelling. The President is 100% on your line.\nR: I am just supprised that Mel is still --\nK: I talked with him twice.\nR: On the report?\nK: He mentioned something that you didn't give Cambodia enough or the\nNixon Doctrine.\nR: We referred to the President's section ja on Nixon Doctrine.\nK: I said we had every opportunity to comment and our comment S had been\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nRogers/Kissinger\n10:31 a.m.\n3/17/71\n- 2-\nK: (cont) absorbed or worked into yours. We weren't going to domore.\nR: I thought the Nixon Doctrine was best in yours.\nK: You might check Cambodia. I haven't noticed it.\nR: I haven't either. We checked everything with Defense.\nK: My people and I didn't have that feeling. It's x just something he raised.\nR: Fine.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nJohn Chancellor\n3/17/71 ca. 11:00 a. m.\nK: You are not going to call Mary McGrory and tell her I talked to\nyou are you?\nC: No I'm not. Someone else did though.\nK: I dan't see anyone anymore. Actually I'm not seeing more people\nthey're just talking.\nC: What happened with our friend Eugene?\nK: I don't know.\nC: How did you like Tilson Thomas? Did you get to talk to him?\nK: No.\nC: He's kind of a genius I am told.\nK: I liked him, but just to chat with.\nC: You think you'll be able to make it Monday?\nK: Yes. Will I be told where?\nC: I talked with Dave about this. It will be at the Occidental\nRestaurant, either 12:30 or 1:00. 12:30 is actually a little easier for us.\nK: Let's make it 12:30 then.\nC: Okay and we try to keep it very discrete so if it's all right I won't\ncome and get you.\nK: That's fine; I'll get there myself. Who will be there?\nC: Dave Kraslow (LA Times), Allen Otten (Wall Street Journal)\nK: I don't know him.\nC: He's quite good.\nK: I know what he writes; he is good.\nC: Dave Broder (Washington Post), Tom Littlewood (Chicago Sun\nTimes), Dick Dudman (St. Louis Post Dispatch), Marty Nolan (Boston Globe)\nand Elizabeth Drew (\n)/\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nJohn Chancellor\n3/17/71 ca. 11:00 a. m.\npage 2\nK: And it is off the record?\nC: Totally, and no one I am pleased to say has every been\nK: As long as you don't see White House sources\nC: No, if it ever comes out in anything it would be very hidden. We\nreally kx like it to be almost conceptual. We have had a number of people\nfrom the White House -- had Finch last time. It's quate helpful for us.\nK: So that's 12:30?\nC: Yes.\nK: 1:00 is actually a little easier for me.\nC: Okay, that's fine. There are some who come at 1:00. We'll do that.\nK: Good.\nC: While I have you on the phone, it came up yesterday in New York\n\"What ever happened to Cuba? \" I said I don't know what happened to Cuba.\nWould there be a story if I decided to look into it? Are those ships gone?\nK: Yes, but sometimes they put it back in. The basic thing is that\nthey know what they know what they cannot do and they haven't done it. I\nthink it would be best to leave it along lest we trigger them knto some other\nmove.\nC: I see. But you haven't seen signs of some other involvement?\nK: No. Frankly, they aren't generous people. As soon as they make\nan agreement they start nibbling at the edges of it.\nC: I see. Okay Henry we'll see you at the Occidental at 1:00 on Monday.\nK: 1:00 Monday?\nC: Yes.\nK: Good.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified."
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