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Mr. Kissinger/John Scalli
7:35 p. m. , April 5, 1971
S:
You're back.
K:
That's right, John. Are you bothered yet by
?
S:
The announcement is going to be Friday. I am here for two days
of
speeches at St. Petersburg Junior College - - I will walk the very
narrow line. I talked to General Haig and reassured him that I
will not let the President's speech out of the bag.
K:
That's not why I am calling, I am returning your call.
S:
I just wanted to check one point on which I will undoubtedly get a lot
of questions. Can you tell me just how successful was Laos -- I
mean I have the fact sheet
K:
Look, I had my people out in San Clemente and I went around the
room trying to do an analysis and asked for their reactions on are
we better off, worse off, if we had it to do over again, would we do
the same thing? Everyone of them said we are better off and would
do it again. Some of them had had reservations before the start.
I don't think it was the knockout it should have been or could have
been but if you add the supplies used up, the supplies that were
captured, destroyed in bombing. An analysis that maintained the
protracted warfare and pushed back a general offensive into next
year.
S:
At the same time the reaction at home has been like a small tet.
K:
How would they have been if it had hit us in the summer suppose
it had gotten to
or (DaNang)?
S:
You lost Stu Alsop you know.
K:
Yes.
S:
And I think you are going to lose a lot of the others. It disturbs me
and I hope the President's speech has something more in it besides
rate of withdrawal. There has got to be something more or the critics
will step up the attack. We are at a very critical period in terms
of
domestic support. I don't know what the President has in mind but on
a very narrow
K:
That's probably true.
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