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    "ocrText": "DOCUMENT WITHDRAWAL RECORD [NIXON PROJECT]\nDOCUMENT\nDOCUMENT\nNUMBER\nTYPE\nSUBJECT/TITLE OR CORRESPONDENTS\nDATE\nRESTRICTION\n1\nTekon\ndos. Alsop SANITIZED HAK\np.g-\n4/6/71\nD\n2\nTelcon\nAmb. Mosbaher I HAK -1pg.\n4/7/71\nG\nFILE GROUP TITLE\nBOX NUMBER\nHAK Telephone Conversations Chron File\n9\nFOLDER TITLE\n1971\n1-7 April\n7\nRESTRICTION CODES\nA. Release would violate a Federal statute or Agency Policy.\nE. Release would disclose trade secrets or confidential commercial or\nB. National security classified information.\nfinancial information.\nC. Pending or approved claim that release would violate an individual's\nF. Release would disclose investigatory information compiled for law\nrights.\nenforcement purposes.\nD. Release would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of privacy\nG. Withdrawn and return private and personal material.\nor a libel of a living person.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon PresideWith criewn and returned non-historical material.\nDECL ASSIFIED\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES AND DMINST BATION to Executive Order and Fras been determined to be declassified. NA 14021 (4-85)\nOtis Chandler/Mr. Kissinger\nApril 1, 1971 9:27 a.m.\njlj\nC: Hello Henry.\nK: Otis, I could not do it for lunch but I think late this afternoon is\nall right.\nC: Lunch would be better because I can get more of the fellows I\nwould like to have. Just a question of your schedule. A couple are\ntied up today and coming in by plane.\nK: Late today would be better for me.\nC: I thought you said you could do it either day.\nK: K: You know we do not have to do it this time. We could wait\nuntil the next time I am out in XMXX California.\nC: I thought you said you could do it either day. What did you say?\nKXXKXXXXXX\nK: I could not do it for lunch but could do it later today.\nC: We would really like to talk to you about where we are in Indochina\nnow because a lot of us are confused. I will get a good group together.\nK: How about 5 or 5:15?\nC: That's fine. Do you need anything?\nK: No, I guess the Secret Service will take care of everything. I will\ntry to fly in to the Post Office and land there.\nC: That would be best. Meet for about an hour.\nK: Till about 6:30 p.m.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nJohn D. Rockefeller III\n4/1/71 ca. 11:00 a. m.\nR: Is it an awful moment to have a word with you?\nK: Not at all.\nR: I'm distressed on this Vietnam thing. It seems to me it brushes\noff our final hope it seems to me we are committed to withdrawal and\nare not proving that the other side has the strength to stand.\nK: But that's not true. Really, with all respect, that isn't the\nconclusion we are reaching. We have spent a whole week in very care-\nful analysis and this isn't the conclusion one should draw. We cannot\nafford to be kidding ourselves, and wouldn't delude you. We may be\nwrong, butthis is our best judgment.\nR: What I was wondering was in looking ahead we have got to get out.\nK: I agree with that.\nR: The question of getting a base of support within the government\nK: You mean in South Vietnam?\nR: Yes, to give it more viability within the South Vietnamese picture.\nI was proceeding on a premise which you say is wrong, but I wondered if\nwe could hope that the present government will command the respect of\nthe people of the country if we pull back.\nK: That is a very important point.\nR: Somehow I feel time is awfully short here, but if my premise is\nwrong\nK: I don't want to give you a flip answer. Would you like to come\ndown for lunch next week?\nR: I do come down occasionally. I will be there the week after next.\nK: Let's do it then. I would like to give you first our best judgment\nof the military situation and then the political situation and get the best\njudgment you have as a semior citizen.\nR: I have been there SO many times\nK: I know your long-standing concern with the area. How about\nhaving lunch?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nJohn D. Rockefeller III\n4/1/71 ca. 11:00 am\npage 2\nR: That's really terrific.\nK: I would like to do it.\nR: Let's plan on it. Let me have my office git in touch with yours.\nThe stakes are high here, was you know much better than I. It would be\ntragic if we guessed wrong, not only for Vietnam but for the whole area.\nK: And our domestic stability as a people.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nBill Timmons\n4/1/71 11:40 a.m.\nK: You people are beginning to try my patience. Every day I\nget some other hot shot resolution which I am told may be acceptable.\nNo resolution is acceptable no resolution of any kind. Here I've\ngot this O'Konski resolution\nT: That's terrible.\nK: It's impossible, totally unacceptable. It's worse than a time-\ncertain one. There are other issues in Vietnam than the releasebf the\nprisoners. It is not the only issue. At this time we stand on the Octo-\nber 7 statement. And if our people hold tight we may be able to make\na negotiation.\nT: This Matsunaga thing it won't be an isolated resolution.\nK: I don't think they will pass it.\nT: I don't either.\nK: I don't think they will take the responsibility for losing the war.\nTake the line the President took with Boggs and Albert, that he will go\nafter the Congress if they take the responsibility.\nT: They are looking for something supportive.\nK: Have them say the October 7 announcement and the withdrawal\nproposal. But not what we've got here.\nT: No, that's terrible!\nK: My memorandum says that MacGregor doesn't see that as a\nprobem.\nT: I have here: \"In support of national objectives\nthe 92nd\nCongress places full support in the initiatives of the President which may\nbe pertinent to these goals. 11\nK: That will never get passed.\nTX: Probably not, but it's/something to offer as a substitute which\nis supportive of the President.\nK: You do that and then someone offers aomething else and you have\na negotiation with yourself.\nT: We won't offer this unless we are stuck with a complete withdrawal\nstatement\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nBill Timmons\n4/1/71 11:40 a. m.\npage 2\nK: Let them pass it if they will, and then we'll murder them.\nYou can't placate these people. If we can't carry our policy through\nthe country then we can't. But if we start\nno one will\nknow what we stood for.\nT: Then you want to try to fight the Matsunaga resolution and if\nit wins let it ride.\nK: We always tell one more thing and then everyone will be\nsatisfied. Every time we do it it gets us two to three months at the\nmost. The time-certain argument is frivolous; it ruins any negotiat-\ning position we have left. If the Congress wants to take that pesponsi-\nbility, let them take it. We are in the best negotiating potition we have\nhad and now everything is being done that can be to undercut us. The\ntime-certain argument is undercutting. It may not do any damage with\nHanoi, but it won't do any good.\nT: I think we can crack this thing.\nK: If the Republicans rush in with an alternative every time, no\none will ever know where we stood. I believe very strongly that we\nhave to fight it.\nT: We are going to but/ if we lose/ it may help to have a fall-back\nposition.\nK: Just say to them you now have the responsibility of having under-\ncut the President, and all of the sacrifices that have been made. Tell\nGerry Ford to make the speech the President made the other morning\nat the breakfast.\nTX: Okay, we'll fight it.\nK: Try Bill, really.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nMr. Kissinger/Clark MacGregor\nApril 1, 1971 11:50 a. m.\njlj\nK: I just talked to Bill Timmons and\nM: Yes I know. I don't think the O'Konski language is good.\nK: You do not see the resolution as a problem. I have a note here\nwhich says that you\nM: Someone is editorializing. I had to dictate my message to Larry\nHigby and apparently he editorialized on my comments. What I said\nwas that we should consider that this may present us a manner of\ngetting the House on record.\nK: It is my strong recommendation is get these guys out on a limb.\nI have talked with the President several times and we should fight them.\nM: It gives us a negative triumph. But that is not bad.\nK: Perhaps we can get a positive one later with this statement coming\nup.\nM: We have the vehicles to do it.\nK: Have you noticed that we have a Vietnamese cook at Camp David.\nDoes that give you a hint?\nM: Plenty of nuc mam. Yes, that gives me a hint. I wonder if the\ncherry blossoms will be out. I will be happy to go ahead and fight\nthis thing and get a negative triumph. We can get a positive one later\non. I wanted to say to you as long as I have you on the line - I am\nreflecting changing mood on the Hill with these comments. I hope the\nApril 7 statement is different in degree and different in kind.\nK. What do you mean?\nM: I will send you a memo.\nK: What do you mean kind?\nM: It should not be like his others saying that so many troops will be\nout 6 months hence. It should be different than just number and date.\nK: Those people that want us to set a specific date.\nM: I didn't say set a specific date.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-2-\nK: We have an LDX in the situation room. Could you get it down there\nand have it sent to me pretty quickly.\nM: Fine.\nK: Contact Jon Howe in my office. He can handle that. In fact I\nwill get him in touch with you. Clark, from our point of view we have\nas good a chance as we have never had and it is painful to have to stop\nMXX\nbecause of domestic reasons.\nM: Nobody is proposing that. This memo will not be complete but\nmore illustrations of what we could do.\nK: Illustrative of your ideas is fine.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nAdmiral Moorer/Mr. Kissinger\nApril 1, 1971 12:38 p.m.\njlj\nM: The President called me and asked me to call Ft. Benning and revoke\nthe order restricting Calley to the stockade and hold him confined in\nquarters as before. I have talked to the Secretary of the Army - Resor -\nwho is calling Ft. Benning and giving this order.\nword to go to\nthe people about this and I understand he is going to make a statement\nin three or five minutes. I am sure that the President is getting all\nkinds of legal advise but I would like to say the less said about that the\nbetter. This is my personal view that I am just telling you. If he\nsays anything you cannot tell what the legal bastards will say.\nK: I will tell you Tom, if I took all the PR people and gave them to you\nwe could have another S/XXX raid into Laos with them and we would not\nmiss them here. I will do my best to get your views to him and turn\nthis off.\nM: The less he says about it the better. People may accuse him of\nXXXXXXXXX condoning such acts.\nK: That is my view.\nM: I just do not want anyone criticizing him.\nK: I understand the spirit of your proposal.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Laird\n4/1/71 1:15 p.m.\nL: I takked with Tom he got a call from the President. He\ngot in touch with Resor because he is the one who has to do it. Every-\nthing has been carried out, but Tom would appreciate it and I would too\nif Ron would work with Henken on it.\nK: Ron is supposed to call Tom.\nL: Yes but Tom would appreci ate it if he worked with Henken\non it he is not interested in getting any more involved.\nK: Okay, I will get Ziegler together with Henken.\nL: Everything has been carried out by Tom. But this is not in\nhis line of authority. He called Stan and he got in touch with the\nconvening authority. But I think it is not the right thing to do. I talked\non the Hill today with Rogers, Hugh Scott, and Mansfield and came\nback with this action involved, and if the President wants to get involved\nfine.\nK: But do you think it is right?\nL: I think it is the right thing/ to do but it's wrong for him to do\nit. He thinks its a political plus. It is at present maybe, but 30 days\nfrom now it won't be. Sometimes they don't take a look at the 30-day\nroute. He should have talked with Mttchell about this -- John would\nhave told him not to do it.\nK: I know. It's too far down the track now; I can't call the\nPresident off, but I'll get Ziegler to get with Henken.\nL: Okay, and just have them say the President has directed the\nconvening authority. That helps me and Resor. We were working out\na long-range game plan on it\nK: Pardon me, Mel. The President is calling.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nSecretary Laird/Mr. Kissinger\n(taking the call for the President)\nApril 1, 1971 1:30 p.m.\njlj\nK: The President asked me to see if there was anything that I could\nhelp you with. He is in a meeting right now.\nL: Tom just called me back here and I think I should talk to the\nPresident. He said that a statement was going to be made and\nRon insisting in talking to him and say that the President had directed\nAdmiral Moorer to order this. Legally wrong because he is not in\nthe chain of command according to the NSC Act. He should say that he\ndirected the proper authorities to do this.\nK: I told Ron that xlxixxxx\nhe should check with Henkin if he makes any extended\nstatement.\nL: I talked to John Mitchell and John thought this might happen. He\nis taping the David Frost show at the present and is in NY. He will\nnot be back until 8:30. I am sure the President's legal advisor would\nsay that this should not be done. I think the action is just fine but do\nnot get Moorer involved in it. He cannot exercise any military command.\nIt ends up what actually goes out would be from Secretary of the Army.\nLet's not get into that. Do you see how it is absolutely important?\nK: I will talk to Ziegler.\nL: Tom does not have any authority to make this order.\nK: I will call Ziegler right now.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nRon Ziegler/Mr. Kissinger\nApril 1, 1971 1:34 p.m.\njlj\nK: Laird called the President and did not get him and talked to me.\nHe says you cannot say that we ordered Moorer. We should say\nthat ordering the convening authority.\nZ: What should I say?\nK: We ordered the convening authority.\nZ: I am going to be asked who he talked to. I will say that he talked\nto Admiral Moorer this morning. That the order has been directed\nto the convening authority at Ft. Benning. That's\nisn't it.\nK: You told me. It has been directed to the convening authority.\nZ: Here I go.\nK: Good luck.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nMr. Kissinger/J. Edgar Hoover\nApril 1, 1971 2 p.m.\njlj\nK: I was just talking to the President about that matter we talked\nabout this morning.\nH: One before the arrest?\nK: Yes. He does not want anything done for 6 weeks or so. However,\nnothing should impede your collecting of evidence. But you should\ncome back to us and remind us. Another thing, you remember you\ntalked to me about Bunker stopped the presence of your people in\nSaigon. When Haig went out there we said we would straighten it\nout for you. While he was out there he had some conversations\nand everyone thought the FBI might be helpful.\nH: Thank you very much Dr.\nK: If there is any problem you come to us and we will try to work\nit out.\nH: Thank you Dr.\nK: We will write this to suite whatever you think you are going\nto have to have.\nH: I will write you a memorandum. We could not get along with\nBunker without you stepping in.\nK: Well we have solved the reporting problem.\nH: Thank you Dr.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRogers/Kissinger\n9:52 a. m.\n4/2/71\nK: I just found out that a NSSM went to State on Law of the Seas that wasn't\ndiscussed with Ted Eliot. I am having it pulled back. Keepin in line of under-\nstanding. It was done at the insistence of Defense. We will call Ted Eliot and\nif there's a disagreement we will discuss it. That way, no formal procedure\nand we can see where we are.\nR: I am meeting with an advisory panel. We haven't disagreed with defense.\nK: Pakkard has a strong view but it should be handled by State. We will work\nit out. This was following things in the old pattern and I XXXX expect to work\nit out the new way.\nR: It's a hell of a can of worms on the Calley thing. I think it would be a\nact\ncatastrophe to woxxxpercipitatiously. Did you hear the juror?\nK: The fellow that said they tried to find extenuating circumstances. He was\nterrific.\nR: He had tears in his X eyes. They asked what would happen if the President\nupset the verdict. He said that they did what was required under the system. It\nwas an unpleasant duty. He said, \"on reduction of sentence, I have no views but\nthe whole system of law and order is involved. 11 This juror said when he started\nhis sympathy was with Calley. He said, \"we listened to the evidence. \"\nK: If we put out a statement of compassion I can see it running side by side with\npictures of the women and children.\nR: He can do it in a thoughtful way. The jurors were acting for him as Commande:\nin Chief.\nK: I am uneasy about it. The peace groups that are quiet will come out with\na bang. It comes out Calley is a peacenik and if we set him free he will run\naround the country attacking us.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmb. Bush\n4/2/71 a. m.\nB: Yesterday, I had lunch with Beebe (?) and all the dditors of News-\nweek. The subject of Laos came up and they were very closed-minded about\nit. Xx I was thinking of our conversation on the helicopter losses and I thought\nyou told me that we have more helicopter losses in Cambodia than in Laos,\nIs that correct?\nK: I think so. Though this may have changed in the last week of the\nLaos operation.\nB: That was my feeling, but I didn't have numbers on it.\nK: I can get that number for you.\nB: Could you? That would be very useful. I would like to go back to\nthem. They are SO closed-minded and I think if we have some decent numbers\nthat aren't classified with me to call this bellow back. And another figure you\nhad was that during the Laos operation the losses had only exceeded 10 percent\nof the normal operating losses beforehand. I think I've got these figures - -\nthat's not important. This me eting was all off the record. But I would like\nto be able to call them back with this other.\nK: I will get you these figures.\nB: I'm sorry to bother you.\nK: You never do.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nU.A. Johnson/Kissinger\n10:04 a. m.\n4/2/71\nK: On that Thai cable and the Jordanian thing, we should be willing to go along\nonthe Jordanian thing.\nJ; Did you get the revised text?\nK: We made suggestions.\nJ: There whould be a revised text. Instead of using '71 money we would\nuse '72 money.\nK: That makes it easier.\nJ: You should have some revised language on that.\nK: I will check and clear it today.\nJ: '72 KOXXXXXXX money.\nK: Their disposition is to go along and you bax will have clearance by the end of\nthe day. On the Thai business, my people claim they did work with you people\non working level on a better basis then what's worked out. If we could have'\na meeting within a couple of weeks of coming back like we did a few months ago\nit might be better. But I would rather have a mediocre package then no\npackage. Do you think we can do that?\ntaken\nKx J: Holding up what we want to do. We have ******* so much time already.\nPL 480 took SO much time.\nK: And you check with your people on working group? Wayne Smith handling it\non my side. But I don't know who in your shop.\nJ: Part of the hold up was DOD and ourselves. Packard and I worked it out.\nK: The objection is that these people claim and I haven't studied it what they\ndid was develop like Cambodia, various packages, which are analytically valid\nbut WX of course it has to relate to what's done. We don't want them to have to\nwait another 6 months. If your judgement were that we could at an SRG meeting\nagree on one of the other packages and it were better it would only delay two\nweeks but if it would trigger a delay then I want to go with what we have. Let\nme check on who are people are dealing with.\nJ: I will run it down and call you back.\nK: If you do that then I will make a decision.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nHoward Stein/Kissinger\n11:59 a. m.\n4/2/71\nS: Do you have a minute or two?\nK: Sure.\nS: This is probably not very helpful but I wanted to convey this onto you. We\nunderstand the Administration is trying to Xixxxx wind down. Trying very\non part of consumers to undertand what's happaning. We took a poll\nof share holders of 400, 000 (?) We can see basis of pessimism and feeling.\nGreat uncertainty because the don't understand what the Administration is\ndoing. If they could in a clear way it would effect them as consumers.\nK: How can we do that?\nS: In Korean War if you look at the Dow-Jones, the market was flat. When you\nwent into the armistice in '53-'54 the market went up 105%. Each time you have\nhad international things. In the '60 period you had Berlin wall, Bay of Pigs,\nand\nand the market remained flat. Peacetime economy it went up\n85%. In '65 when VN excalated the corporate\nwent flat. It's below\n'55-'56 which was not a flat period. The market has begun to move up and\nthere's an understanding of winding down. If they understand what's happening\nthe Dow-Jones will sell between ? ? ? ? and corporate profits went up\n.\nTherefore, I think that all that's really necessary and needed here is one of\n32 million who own shares to know what effect it would have on the market and\nwhat effect the market would have on corporate profits and what expansex effect\non ? ? ? . If the desire is to wind down the war then more k should be given\nto the people.\nK: Like what.\nS: I have to leave that to you. I realize the situation is terribly complicated.\nK: Our problem is -- we have no problem dexxxxxxxxx demonstrating -- or\nperhaps we do. We should be able to demonstrate we are winding down and\nwe want to keep ambiguity too for negotiations. You think this would have an\nelectric effect on share holders?\nS: During all past periods there's an expansion of multiple that takes place\nand when that happens people say I can sell stock and therefore build. There's\nnot as many problems working out an economy in diffierent exvisses environmen-\ntal conditions. No willxcess willingness to work out a higher price. They only\ndo it when they are sure it's\nand can identify it.\nK: Let me ask you there can't be more than 500 people in the country who\ncan effect it in terms of what investments figures. So if the top 500 got\ninformation it would change their planes and effect their decisions?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nHoward Stein/Kissinger\n11:59 a. m.\n4/2/71\n-2-\nS: Unless the market goes up there's no currency and they are less interested\nin borrowing because it adds debt to debt. So a higher multiple market will\n?????\nK: Thnk about what to do. I will too. Coming to Washington?\nS: You have so much --\nK: I don't see unusual people that often. If I ask for it you are not bothering me.\nS: OK, fine.\nK: I will really give this every thought I am capable of and talk with the\nPresident about it.\nS: I am not the one to carry this message because I am in another camp.\nK: But a community of interest on this one that isn't partisan.\nS: I have feelings about the war and how xx to do it as I'm sure you have. No\nadvantage to me but Administration if it's in for consideration. I see the\ndegree of pessimism in the consumers and they will not be turned on by easy\nmoney. They need to feel troubles are behind us. They are not sophisticated.\n? ? ? ? ? Sp it tends to confuse them. So a definitive statement would\nput us in a different ball game.\nK: OK. Thanks for calling.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nLloyd Shearer/Kissinger\n12:18 p.m.\n4/2/71\nS: How's it look over the weekend?\nK: Going back Monday.\nS: Going to be up here?\nK: I'm not sure. If I am, it will be in and out and don'e want pictures taken then.\nWe could do it here Monday morning.\nS: My home phone is GR 2-1011. Maybe sometime over the weekend you will\nbe up here and we can do it in 10 mins.\nK: You don't want to come down here?\nS: I don't mind but if you are up here it would only take 10 mins. Any chance\nyou will be here?\nK: I might be up Sunday.\nS: That would be fine. We are on Sunset Blvd and you would probably be close.\nK: Beverley Hills. I will call if I am in L.A.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Laird\n4/2/71 ca. 1:30 p.m.\nL: I guess you weren't ablé to help on that thing?\nK: No, have instruction that they should work it out on a mutaally\nsatisfactory basis.\nL: They have already leaked the \"Dear Mel\" letter to the Washington\nPost.\nK: Those sons of bitches.\nL: That abortion thing was handled by the Assistant Secretary for Health.\nK: I was told 15 minutes ago that its was between Friedheim and Buchanan.\nL: They leaked the whole thing. They said I put up a fight with the\nPresident, which I didn't. They are not going to gain politically with the\nCatholics by doing this. I am getting sick and tired of taking this heat.\nK:\ntalked to the President; twe talked to Buchanan and I\nwas certain it was worked out.\nL: They got work Caldwell was told; they read it to Friedheim. The\nstory will show there's a dispute between me and the President on abortion.\nBut this was with some doctor on the Medical Review Board. This is going\non too much. I've been taking the heat on the Hill, now the heat on this\nI will have to start operating like Bill. He said he won't put up with that,\nand he just won't cooperate. Maybe I ought to operate that way.\nK: I don't know what he is talking about, but don't you do that.\nL: These guys\nme up like this it's crazy.\nK: I'll protect you when I know what's happening. I don't know what the\nhell is happening. But I will get back to you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nUnder Secretary Johnson\n4/2/71 1:50 p.m.\nIK: On that Thai cable, we'd better go ahead with it. Whatever considerations\nthe\nhave, we'll put it in a long-term framework.\nJ: Wilson jast came back from a meeting with Wayne Smith on this and\nwas talking to me.\nK: Well, you can consider this a formal clearance.\nJ: Okay, Henry, we'll get it off.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nLaird/Kissinger\n4:50 p.m. 4/2/71\nK: I am sorry I couldn't get back to you earlier. I was with the President\nthe whole time. I know I have a memo here from Buchanan that says there's\na memo from Freidheim on Defense. So here's the game plan. So we thought\nyou were aboard.\nL: They took the \"dear Mel\" letter and gave it to Clawson in the Post.\nK: I couldn't be sorrier.\nL: In addition they gave him another internal working paper. He said it was\nOK to announce it. But I wasn't aware of this. I x told Murphy that letter would\nnever go anywhere. It was damaging to the President. I did what the President\nwants but that letter will cause him problems.\nK: They mislead us and I couldn't be sorrier.\nL: It doesn't pay to play on this team.\nK: It does and will. I am sorry.\nL: I know the deal. You know Brent\n?\nK: National Review.\nL: It's a deal they helped to engineer. You have to be careful about those things.\nK: You are arguing with the wrong guy. I'm with you.\nL: I am going to have to say I will not do anything unless it comes fhrough\nyour office. McNamara put out that order in '66.\nK: If I heard sooner I would have protected you. Every interes in building you\nup. There's never been a crisis where you haven't been taking the heat with us.\nL: I have been up on the Hill all week on the draft.\nK: I was raising hell with the Presdient and said it wasn't fiar.\nL: Not fair to put out letters unless they tell me. I am not blaming you. But\nI can't operate out of the dark.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMike Wallace\n4/3/71 11:10 a.m.\nW: Tongiht I leave for Israel where in the next two or three days I am\ngoing to interview Golda Meir and Moshe Dayan. I thought, had you the least\ndisposition, you might tell me what strategically would be interesting.\nObviously the Suez Canal, and they are pushing very hard on Sharm Al Shaik.\nBut is there anything you can tell me that would be particularly interesting to\nknow?\nK: Get them to go on record with their intentiona regarding the frontiers.\nAre there any '67 frontiers that they will be willing to go back to? Or any\npart of it? I think I know the answer, but it wouldn't hurt to get it out in the\nopen.\nW: Okay. Anything else?\nK: I think it's an interesting idea to get them on TV.\nW: And they, as much as we, have been interested in doing this. My\nhunch is they/have some points they want to make. We never before have\nhad this kind of\nWe were going to get only Dayan and she wanted\nto go on.\nK: Isnt't that interesting?\nW: How important is a Guantanamo arrangement to Sharm Al Shaik?\nK: What do you mean?\nW: If they are willing to go for an arrangement whereby they remained\nenclaved, leasing or paying or something of that sort.\nK: It would be interesting to have their views. I don't think the Arabs\nwill like it and if you have no possession, what you will or will not take depends\non the other guy.\nW: On the '67 frontiers, you think you know the answer?\nK: They haven't said so formally, but I am suspecting that I know pretty\nwell. That's the big dispute between them, and some people in the State Depart-\nment, and to what degree should they go back to the frontiers of '67.\nW: All right.\nK: And most of the rest of the stuff has been in the press.\nW: That's what seems to me. I am sure they are sensives sensitive to\nthe fact they are losing support in the U.S. Of all people, the Times is putting\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMike Wallace\n4/3/71 11:10 a. m.\npage 2\nmore pressure on them than in the past. The Satunday Review leads with\nan article by Ben Gurion saying give everything back except Golan and\n.\nK: Of course, theyx say people always believe a peace is achieved by\nmaking a treaty\nW: But what I find difficult to understand is, SO it's a few miles here and\nthere. Really, what the hell difference does it make?\nK: They have a tough problem that way. They can't afford to lose on\none battle when they have no cushion. I am not saying I disagree, just that I\nunderstand the problem.\nW: I see.\nK: Have a good trip. I hope to see you. Will I?\nW: When I come down, some time soon.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nLloyd Shearer/Kissinger\n9:32 a.m.\n4/5/71\nS: Suppose we run a two-shot of you and Marlo Thomas.\nK: Suppose what?\nS: Suppose we run a two-shot of you and Marlo Thomas. Would\nthat outrage you?\nK: I was just along at a dinner. You mean yesterday?\nS: Yeah.\nK: I would just as soon be alone.\nS: OK. What's your schedule?\nK: I am going back at noon.\nS: You will be out again?\nK: I will be out in two months. I may be in Palm Springs\nfor a vacation and if you wanted to come down there for a\npicture - -\nS: It will be hot and melt the film but maybe we could. It's\n110 degrees.\nK: In April?\nS: You will be in an airconditioned house and a swimming pool\nand it's very dry. I ran into a guy at Sen. McGovern's lunch\nwho said he went to school with you in Lausanne. Did you come\nfrom Mainz and go to sch-ol in Switz?\nK: Neither. The next time I am out I will let you know.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMr. Kissinger/John Scalli\n7:35 p.m., April 5, 1971\nS:\nYou're back.\nK:\nThat's right, John. Are you bothered yet by\n?\nS:\nThe announcement is going to be Friday. I am here for two days of\nspeeches at St. Petersburg Junior College I will walk the very\nnarrow line. I talked to General Haig and reassured him that I\nwill not let the President's speech out of the bag.\nK:\nThat's not why I am calling, I am returning your call.\nS:\nI just wanted to check one point on which I will undoubtedly get a lot\nof questions. Can you tell me just how successful was Laos I\nmean I have the fact sheet\nK:\nLook, I had my people out in San Clemente and I went around the\nroom trying to do an analysis and asked for their reactions on are\nwe better off, worse off, if we had it to do over again, would we do\nthe same thing? Everyone of them said we are better off and would\ndo it again. Some of them had had reservations before the start.\nI don't think it was the knockout it should have been or could have\nbeen but if you add the supplies used up, the supplies that were\ncaptured, destroyed in bombing. An analysis that maintained the\nprotracted warfare and pushed back a general offensive into next\nyear.\nS:\nAt the same time the reaction at home has been like a small tet.\nK:\nHow would they have been if it had hit us in the summer - suppose\nit had gotten to\nor (DaNang)?\nS:\nYou lost Stu Alsop you know.\nK:\nYes.\nS:\nAnd I think you are going to lose a lot of the others. It disturbs me\nand I hope the President's speech has something more in it besides\nrate of withdrawal. There has got to be something more or the critics\nwill step up the attack. We are at a very critical period in terms of\ndomestic support. I don't know what the President has in mind but on\na very narrow\n.\nK:\nThat's probably true.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMr. Kissinger/John Scalli\n7:35 p.m., April 5, 1971\nS:\nWhat the fuck do we do?\nK:\nJesus, the language you use and you are supposed to be taking a\nresponsible position.\nS:\nYeah. Need a quick argument for McGovern on how we keep\nsubstituting Asian bodies for American bodies.\nK:\nThat's a goddamn outrage ! Just 3 years ago, he said just the\nopposite.\nS:\nIt is mirrored throughout the country now and something has to be\ndone to make it without picking a fight. I would like to discuss it\nwith you. As far as my stay here, I will take it nice and easy.\nK:\nThat's what I would do. Don't know exactly what he is going to say.\nS:\nI will stay in touch and I will do a proforma for the broadcast\nK:\nThat isn't bad.\nS:\nI look forward to see ing you but I will be back Wednesday night\nbefore the speech if there is anything I want to say or you want to\nsay.\nK:\nOkay, John.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMr. Kissinger/Len Garment\n8:10 p.m., April 5, 1971\nK:\nI wanted to tell you that both the President and I, although it wasn't\ndirected at me, greatly appreciate that memo on the speech. It\nshows you are a great man because your instincts went the other\nway.\nG:\nIt really came out of the\non the Federal City Center. Have\nyou seen it?\nK:\nNo.\nG:\nI'll send you a copy.\nK:\nWould you? I completely agree with you, there is no chance playing\nthe Dove line, he will just placate from one to the other.\nG:\nThese are torturous times, it is an agony that we all suffer in\nVietnam no self-righteousness, no self-pity.\nK:\nRight, right.\nG:\nI will send you this other thing\nof our policy is basically\nsound. That\"s very gracious of you to call me.\nK:\nI will talk to you about our other problem after the speech. I have\ntalked to Schreiber.\nG:\nArgov called and made a date with me, I think it will be day after\ntomorrow but I will come in to see you before I talk to him.\nK:\nIf you could do it Thursday after the speech.\nG:\nAll right, I'll put him off till Thursday.\nK:\nGood, put him off till Thursday.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nSecretary Rogers/Dr. Kissinger\n4/6/71; 9:35 a.m.\nR: I wanted to talk about that goddam message from our people in\nDacca. Did you see it?\nK: No.\nR: It's miserable. They bitched about our policy and have given it\nlots of distribution so it will probably leak. It's inexcusable.\nK: And it will probably get to Ted Kennedy.\nR: I am sure it will.\nK: Somebody gives him cables. I have had him call me about them.\nR: It's a terrible telegram. Couldn't be worse/says we failed to\ndefend American lives and are morally bankrupt.\nK: Blood did that?\nR: Quite a few of them signed it. You know we are doing everything\nwe can about it. Trying to get the telegrams back as many as we can.\nWe are going to get a message back to them.\nK: I am going in these two days to keep it from the President until he\nhas given his speech.\nR: If you can keep it from him I will appreciate it. In the first place\nI think we have made a good choice.\nK: The Chinese haven't said anything.\nR: They talk about condemning atrocities. There are pictures of the\nEast Pakistanis murdering people.\nK: Yes. There was one of an East Pakistani holding a head. Do you\nremember when they said there were 1000 bodies and they had the gave\ngraves and then we couldn't find 20?\nR: To me it is outrageous they would send this.\nK: Unless it hits the wires I will hold it. I will not forward it.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-2-\nR: We should get our answers out at the same time the stories come out.\nK: I will not pass it on.\nR: How was the boss?\nK: It is somewhat a tense period. He was all right until he came back\nand someone got to him.\nR: I also wanted to talk to you about a personal matter. Chuck Colson\ncalled about my going on Meet the Press Sunday. I am prepared if the\nPresident thinks it wise. I would like to want to see how the broadcast\ngoes. And, too, I am not sure that answering questions about it right\nnow is wise.\nK: Any time you say something there is something that people will twist.\nR: My thoughts would be to wait a while. There would be a hell of a lot\nof questions they would ask that I could not answer. My own thought\nwould be to wait a week.\nK: Do you mind if I talk to Haldeman, stating that some of these views\nare my own? I will put it on the basis there is no question of your being\nwilling to do it, but the general question of whether we shouldn't just\nshut up after this.\nR:\nwhen I testified on Laos.\nK: Did Wilke (?) really go this far?\nR: Yes. He got enthusiastic and carried away.\nK: All the agreed public relations was that we would not state an\nobvious\nHe did not state it that way.\nExcuse me, the President\nis calling. I will call you right back.\n(9:45 - HAK returned call)\nK: I have to go in to see him. Let me put it on that basis.\nR: All right.\nK: On the basis that obviously you would be happy to do it, but just raising\nthe general policy issue whether having spoken we shouldn't just keep quiet.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n- -3-\nR: I could have a press conference if it WO uld help. I hate to commit\nmyself not knowing what the questions would be. I think his statement\nwill be quite effective and I don't want to detract from that.\nK: I think we should just stand on it. Oh, another thing. He probably\nwants to get everybody together tomorrow at Noon to tell them the figure\nand he wants you to understand that as far as the other participants are\nconcerned it is the first time they have heard it. He won't let on you\nhave heard it. I have sent a backchannel to Bunker. I will send you a\ncopy. Just to give the figure.\nR: You might mention to him the conference. Whenever he wants me to\ndo that I can. Maybe tomorrow afternoon.\nK: Haldeman is working that out and I will be back to you.\nR: All right.\nms\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMcGeo. Bundy/Kissinger\n11:59 a. m.\n4/6/71\nB: Lou Harris is in close touch with Katcharian in the Soviet Secretariet at the\nUN. Katcharian is also the outlet to non-governmentals in NY. He saw Harris\nlast week and I heard about it yesterday. Very emphatic on the warm side of\nthe Brezhnev speech.\nK: I have had some from Dobrynin but I would like to see the memo.\nB: If you want to use fire -- I will cover my concern in my note.\nK: I will tell you something and if I could have it quikly as possible.\nB: I will send it airmail special xxrxgxbx right now.\nK: Only to me. of course.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMcGregor/Kissinger\n12:03 p.m.\n4/6/71\nM: A couple of Senators have called wondering whether Aiken's information\nis correct and where he is getting it. He says withdrawing troops at 30, 000\nfor the last two weeks.\nK: Nonsense.\nM: I thought so. People are asking me.\nK: Don't confirm or deny.\nM: Aiken isn't calling.\nK: No but they are trying to get a figure. They will keep asking until they\nhave found out the figure.\nM: I am only telling people who are loyal supporters when they are calling\nwhether the information is being given.\nK: Not getting any information.\nM: Did any member of Congress get special information from you this\nmorning?\nK: I saw Javits on the M.E. That's all. To settle that question, no member\nof Congress will get special information from me or anyone else.\nM: Thank you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Sullivan/Kissinger\n2:52 p. m.\n4/6/71\nS: I ha ve 3 quick ones. One is h that Vance Hartke has given a press\nconference in Paris. He met with NVN and VC. He is confident with talks\nthat if we have a date for removal of forces there would be an immediate\nceasefire for our forces to withdraw ;and all prisoners home before Christmas.\nHabib is sure it's Hartke extrapolation (?) on the old NVN line. It will come\nthrough in XX the next couple of hours. Second thing is in connection too with\nParis. No response on meeting on the 8th. They owe us an answer and Phil\nwill remind them tomorrow and if they say there's no answer then he will say\nit takes two to agree and therefore we will assume there will be no meeting.\nThe possibility is that the meeting will be at a low level. David may stay away.\nAfter the President's speech so I think David should be there.\nK: I agree.\nS: Finally, Ellsworth wants to take leave from 23- ??. To Katmandu to\nsee Carol.\nK: I think that's fine. Are you going on TODAY Thurs. morning? I think you\nshould.\nS: I should think\nthe following morning and give it a change to ride.\nK: That's a good point.\nS: It seems that Thurs. morning it should be the President's statement.\nK: That's a good point.\nS: I will talk with Bob McCloskey about it. He and Klein can get together.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSecretary Rogers Morton\nMr. Kissinger\n4/6/71, 3:00 p.m.\nM:\nHello Henry.\nK:\nHello Rogers.\nM:\nWe are down to the line on trying to work out just exactly what\ninstructions are to be given Ambassador Williams so that we\ncan establish what his relationship is to the Department, what\nhis mission is with regard to Micronesia, so that we can be of\nservice to him. I hoped that this week we could get the parameters\nworked out. I hoped that I could get someone from your staff with\nHarrison Lesh of my staff (Assistant Secretary).\nK:\nHow would you like to work that out?\nM:\nI would like you to have someone from your office get in touch\nwith Lesh and work this out.\nK:\nI will have John Holdridge of my office call Lesh this afternoon\nand we will put out a directive which lays out his instructions\nexactly and I will assume that this directive will have been worked\nout with you ahead of time.\nM:\nWe can discuss policy at a subsequent time. Right now we just\nwant to talk administrative matters.\nmlh\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon\nRon Ziegler/HAK\n4/6/71; 3:30 p.m.\n(Missed opening remarks)\nK: He is going to show the increase in the rate of Vietnamese-American\nmarriages.\nZ: No, seriously.\nK: He is going to use one or two.\nZ: It is on the level?\nK: Yes. I don't want any reference.\nZ: We just got a call from CBS saying he will use charts. Mark Wood\nsaying 1 or 2.\nK: We will have a statement made just in case. He may use one or two.\nZ: When will that be decided?\nK: Tomorrow.\nZ: Can I take a look at the speech?\nK: No. I am under orders not to show it even to Haig. Itisn't in final\nform yet. Tomorrow morning.\nZ: OK.\nK: Is anyone putting together a briefing pattern?\nZ: We must know first whether the President wants to do a briefing.\nK: I know he does.\nZ: Well, then, we will put together a pattern. You work the Alsops and\nthose types the way you want them. On your own. But let's not set up a\nbig program thing where we are running people in and outdoors.\nK: I want one just for the press.\nZ: And one for TV.\nK: Yes, but it is generally better if the TV comes first.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-2-\nZ: Have you run in whether the speech comes out?\nK: No.\nZ: OK, then I will do it.\nms\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nNIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS PROJECT\nDOCUMENT CONTROL RECORD\nITEM REMOVED FROM THIS FILE FOLDER\nSANITIZED\nA RESTRICTED DOCUMENT OR CASE FILE HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM\nTHIS FILE FOLDER. 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Mrs. Chandler very much wants to see you. I don't\nnormally ask.\nSANITIZED\nA: So the question is whether you are going on the 12th or 13th.\nSANITIZED\nA: I long to see you anyway. How about breakfast tomorrow?\nK: Let's wait until after the sppech.\nA: I thought I might write about the speech.\nK: I have to hold the staff together. I have them together.\nA: When can I see you tomorrow afternoon?\nK: I will call you.\nSANITIZED\nA: Then you had better to it. I will see you tomorrow.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nJohn Sherman Cooper/Kissinger\n4:03 p.m.\n4/6/71\nC: I hate to bother you.\nK: You never bother me.\nC: I know you are in great consultation and work.\nK: You can always call me.\nC: I was on a program Sunday. The newspaper report was garbled. Church\nwas on too. We didn't propose a date. We suggested that the President\ndecide on a date for POW IXAX and settement. I did say it was difficult to havw\nother countries' assumed responsibility until we are all the\nway out. I believe that. I had a briefing from Gen. Zais. I said I don't conside\nit a success so far. I hope if I may be presumptous that you make it too big\na sucess. I think a --\nK: I understand what you are saying.\nC: I don't know what he will say and I won't ask but I think xlx at some point\nhe will have to say they are going to come out. It keeps tension in the country\nup. That's one of the problems. The Calley thing hasn't helped.\nK: No.\nC: That stirs up a storm. I said in my statement I thought behad had the\nprotection of the law and I will stand by the rule of law. To make good too\nbig is not too helpful (?). Get rid of tension and shouting and say they are all\ncoming yout.\nK: John, I will be seeing the President in 10 mins. and he is writing the\nspeech himself and you can be sure it will bejput to him. Where are you\ntomorrow?\nC: Away. I wish I was going to stay. I am going to NATO.\nK: What time are you leaving?\nC: 7:00 at Dulles.\nK: I just wanted to see if I can get you advance word.\nC: I will hear what's said.\nK: I will try to & call in an hour.\nC: I will make a statement. My home\nnumber is 965-2883\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon\nH. J. Heinz/HAK\n4/6/71; 5:40 p.m.\nH: Henry, sorry to bother you. I hope to see you maybe on Thursday.\nSome of the fellows are being invited to come and talk with the White\nHouse about economic policies. Your bill is being presented after lunch --\nfor sometime after lunch.\nK: No one has told me that yet. Who does that, Flanigan?\nH: Yes, Flanigan. Changing because of the meeting you are having with\nthe boss in the morning. You and Ehrlichman and the Chairman of the\nCouncil of the Economic Advisors will be there to listen to the questions\nabout government policy, particularly economic pblicies. That was the\nway it was billed. Two other meetings subsequent to that. But if you are\nbusy.\nK: I will be there if somebody tell me about it. I have just gotten back\nfrom San Clemente with the President so am not up on all the details.\nH: A small word. The Bilderberg meeting -- I hope you can still manage\non the evening of the 22nd, 23d and 24th.\nK: I am not planning to be there the evening of the 22nd. But I do plan to\nbe there the 23rd.\nH: Our man has been in touch with your Mr. Young, and made appropriate\nsecurity arrangements.\nK: Right. I will have to have the Secret Service man with me.\nH: Unless things go badly the Prince will have a press conference in Boston\nthe EXEMIX9 afternoon of the 22nd on his arrival. The list of the people\nwill be given out then. If there is one ugly Spiegler-like fellow we are\ntrying to duck we are not announcing we will have a press conference until\nthe last minute.\nK: I am not worried about the press, but the Secret Service has to be with\nme at all times.\nH: Of course, we know that. That is all right. Everyone is being asked not\nto say they are going to\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-2-\nK: Yes, I see, you are making a tactical point.\nH: We are cueing everybody to say the least they can. We have an\ninnocuous statement to say what the Bilderberg is. The Prince is jolly\ngood and does a press-TV appearance. Brief, of course, and staggers\nthrough a few appropriate lines. That has, generally speaking, satisfied\nhim and then he gives a little release afterwards.\nK: You can be absolutely certain I wont.\nH: Yes, I know you. It is so much more sensitive in our country than\nit is abroad.\nK: You can be absolutely certain I will say nothing to the press -- neither\nbefore nor after. I never do.\nH: I know you don't. I hope you are well, and I am looking forward to\ntomorrow night.\nK: Oh, yes.\nms\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPresident/Kissinger\n5:50 p.m.\n4/6/71\nP: On page 9 of the draft. I wonder if we have already discussed this thing\nabout beating to death the idea of negotiation. Maybe we should take out that\nparggraph.\nK: That's fine. It's a double-edged offer. It's a little tricky.\nP: I am still trying to find something on the POW thing. Why not right there?\nK: My recommendation is not there.\nP: The other follows in so nicely.\nK: At the end of the previous paragraph. \"???? and I particularly call\non Hanoi. 11 I have some text here. Hold on half a second - - \"I particularly\ncall on Hanoi to agree to the immediate and unconditional release of all\nprisoners of war. This anguishing problem should not await the resolution\nof other issues.\"\nP: See if we want to be rougher on them.\ntheirs\nK: \"Let them stop using prinsoers as bargaining pawns and free yours and ours. 11\nP: Tell Rose to put that in. Give her that section on POWS to put in. That's\na good substitute. So they can't say we don't cover it adequately. Read it\nagain.\nK: \"I particularly call on Hanoi to agree to the immediate and unconditional\nrelease of all prisoners of war. This anguishing problems should not await\nthe resolution of other issues. Let them stop using prinsoners as bargaining\npawns and free theirs and ours. 11\nP: Leave \"this anguishing problem\" out. It's time for them to stop the savage\nand inhumane or barbaric -- \"it's time to stop the barbaric use of prisoners\nof war as gax bargaining pawns.' \"\nK: And \"to join us in a humane act to free their men as well as ours.\"\nP: I think that's good. It will give the\nthat we are thinking of.\nThe next big ploy . it's hard for people to sey we will trade a ceasefire --\nthey don't say ceasefirel Loose everthing for prisoners. It's a hell of a point\nto fight SO that's why we havet O ????.\nK: As soon as we have - We can ask for anything in two weeks.\nP: It depends on the evidence. You could speed up your trip.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPresident/Kissinger\n5:50 p.m. 4/6/71\n-2-\nK: I was planning on taking a vacation at the end of the month and I could tack\nit onto the vacation. No one would wonder where I am. It would be helpful\nto let Dobrynin get back because he might have somethihng too.\nP: Send that paragraph to Rose.\nK: I will go right over to here.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSen. Cooper/Kissinger\n6:18 p.m.\n4/6/71\nK: Well, I got you at the last minute.\nC: It's a snow storm out here.\nK: I wanted to tell you. I talked ti the President about your call. You will\nsee that both your ideas are reflected in his speech. It's strictly (?) for you.\nC: I won't talk. They had an article in TIME pleading with me on SST. I baxwextx\nnever talk with the press. I wrote you a letter on the way out. It's on yellow\nbad. It will be delivered to you. That ok?\nK: Good. You will be in Bonn?\nC: Tomorrow afternoon. Seeing Fessenden, Smidt and the Minister of State.\nK: I would like to get a text to you of the speech.\nC: Will it go to the Embassy?\nK: Yes. I will see that it gets to you. And if you could say an encouraging word\nwe would appreciate that.\nC: I think you have to do little more than what's expected.\nK: We are trying now. Final phase of war not to tear ourselves to pieces.\nC: You will get my message on yellow paper. Someone will be there?\nK: Always here. Give Lorraine my affectionate regards.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMr. Kissinger/Tom Braden\n7:31 p.m., April 6, 1971\nB:\nAre you okay?\nK:\nI am great.\nB:\nI have been worried about you. Totally apart, off-the-record, the\nlast couple of weeks haven't been very good and I said to Frank I\nwondered how you made it.\nK:\nYou are very sweet.\nB:\nI have a very simple request, would you go on television on Friday\nfor taping for a show on Sunday saying why the President did this.\nK:\nI don't think I better do it, really think I would be in more trouble.\nB:\nI understand but we wouldn't --\nK:\nIf I were ever to do it again, I would do it with you.\nB:\nFrank and I - -\nK:\nOh, no, you would be sympathetic and you would be friends, you\nwouldn't roll over and play dead but you would xe wouldn't embarass\nme either. I am okay but I don't think I should do it.\nB:\nI thought that would be your answer, that would be my answer, but I\nreally had to ask you or I really wouldn't be doing my job.\nK:\nI understand.\nB:\nThank you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nNIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS PROJECT\nDOCUMENT CONTROL RECORD\nITEM REMOVED FROM THIS FILE FOLDER\nA RESTRICTED DOCUMENT OR CASE FILE HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM\nTHIS FILE FOLDER. 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