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Mr. Kissinger
Secretary Rogers
4/12/71; 9:10 p.m.
K: The President was just talking to me about these things we are lifting. He
didn't take the whole package, just four or five items like visa requirements,
etc. They had come actually from the Irwin Committee. We had been working
with Marshall Green on it SO this is something that was not done unilaterally.
R: I wasn't complaining
K: No, no, you weren't complaining except there was no reason why you
should know what he was talking about because I don't know what he was talking
about.
R: I talked to the President on the Chinese Representation question.
K: He wants to send Murphy out there as he must have told you.
R: That was my recommendation -- he forgets. He apparently spoke to the
new Foreign Minister about it, which is fine. It is my thinking we ought to
get moving on it. I think this ping-pong thing points up the advantage of
doing - - it doesn't have to be Chinese Representation but if he is going to get
any benefit out of "generation of peace", we have to move in that direction.
K: That talk with Chow was very helpful because Chow certainly indicated
that some change was conceivable. He didn't throw up his hands in horror.
R: I had a one hour talk with him. Christ, what is the choice. They don't
have an alternative. I asked if he wanted to proceed as we were. Our interests
coincide.
K: I don't expect anything to come up this week. If there is anything, I will
be in touch with you.
R: One thing -- I don't understand the business about the defense department
putting SO much stuff out. It seems to me our position is fairly good now. If
we just stand on it
K: Exactly.
R: Why do we have to tell the other side. On the Charlie Yost thing, Alex
Johnson called him and really gave him hell. He has been trying to get me and
I am not going to talk to him for a while.
K: The testimony before the Platform of the Democratic Party -- everything
which we have done.
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