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Alan Ginsberg/Mr. Kissinger
7:50 p.m., April 23, 1971
G:
I am calling at the request partly of Senator McCarthy. Senator
McCarthy told me to call you. My idea is to arrange a conversation
between yourself, Helms, mcCaithy". and maybe even Nixon with
Rennie Davis, Dillinger and Abernathy. It can be done at any time.
They were willing to show their peaceableness and perhaps you don't
know how to get out of the war and who by private meeting --
K:
I have been meeting with many members representing peace groups
but what I find is that they have always then rushed right out and
given the contents of the meeting to the press. But I like to do this,
not just for the enlightment of the people I talk to but to at least give
me a feel of what concerned people think. I would be prepared to
meet in principle on a private basis.
G:
That's true but it is a question of personal delicacy. In dealing
with human conscienceness, it is difficult to set limits.
K:
You can't set limits to human conscienceness but --
G:
We can try to come to some kind of understanding.
K:
You can set limits to what you say publicly.
G:
It would be even more funny to do it on television.
K:
What?
G:
It would be even more useful if we could do it naked on television.
K:
(Laughter)
G:
It might be too
but under some kind of circumstances.
What shall I tell them that would be encouraging?
K:
That I would think about it very seriously.
G:
Good deal.
K:
I will call Senator McCarthy. I am leaving town for a conference
that I have had scheduled for some time but I will be back on Monday.
When did you intend to do this?
G:
During the May Day Meetings in Washington. They will be lobbying
and they could meet with you. May 2 or 3.