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TELCON Page 2 Mr. Kissinger/Governor Rockefeller 9:24 p. m., May 12, 1971 K: He has always been for this. R: [Who is with him? ] K: Jackson is, Humphrey is. Muskie has changed his mind twice so we don't know where he stands. R: I have no problem with this particularly with the way it's being done. I would have done it anyway. Who in the Times is the best guy? K: Probably Johnny Oaks. R: My relationship with him is not the best, anyone else there? K: Anyone you know there. R: George Woods is on the Board and he understands this stuff. K: This goes to the very heart of the world, I can understand how people feel on Vietnam and I think that is wrong but what the Administration is -- R: What is Mike trying to do? K: He added it on to the draft bill. R: An extension of the draft. K: Can't even go to the committee. R: And have its full hearings and so forth. K: Not really partisan. George Ball is coming down tomorrow to work over the Democrats. Lucius Clay has been calling all over the place. Your brother has sent telegrams to 12 Senators. R: What about Javits? K: He has been wavering but when I told him there would be no compromise, he came with us. R: Buckley in this at all? K: Behind us all the way.

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