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Bob Bowie/Kissinger
afternoon
5/13/71
K: I heard from Mac that you are hear working with Mathias on the NATO THING
B: No, I am hear for a meeting of the ODC. I stopped in to see him. I
K: I assume we are working the same side of the street.
B: I am trying tokeep the troops there.
K: We will make no compromise on the Mansfield resolution. People are
looking for a formulation that we will accept -- fewer troops withdrawn and
?
?
? but we will accept none. Making no changes except in conclusion
with Europeans or mutual force reductions with the Russians but we don't
think we should negotiate with the European who want us to remove troops.
B: What he showed me didn't seem harmful.
K: Onee we agree to any formulation we have to go with a resolution so
we have said no compromise accept a general endorsement of a resolution.
B: I thought that was his resolution. There's an enourmous impatience with the
WH. The mood is very bad. I would suggest looking at the Mansfield
K: Mathias'?
B: He was quoting others. I would acquaint myself with Mathias' and see if I
could live with it. It didn't look harmful at all in practical terms. Perhaps
if I were making policy I would see if differently.
K: Except we are getting impatient with people doing things that are not
harmful and want to
them when they say they are not harmful.
B: I only got into it because way bakc Mathias consulted me. I don't want to
get into the middle.
K: I won't mention you. I have a call into him. You won't get involved. I
want your judgment.
B: If I could get Mathias thing and head off Mansfield I would consider I was in
good shape. Mathias endorses the decision to keep forces there. The only
possible thing on ixx which there's any conceivable objection was the last line on
full consultation with Congress. If that's not read as a resolution there's no
problem.
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