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    "ocrText": "TELECON\nSecretary Laird\n5/10/71 8:58 a. m.\nL: Hello Henry.\nK: How are you?\nL: I'm fine. How are you?\nK: Where are you, in your office?\nL: Yes. My only problem is I'm having trouble sitting. But I've\nbeen reading so much and doing so much at the hospital, I decided to\ncome in and get things straightened out. How are you doing?\nK: Fine.\nL: Did you have a good rest?\nK: Yes, it was necessary and I feel much better.\nL: I'm delighted to have you back. That's all I'm calling about.\nK: Aren't you nice.\nL: Have you got any problems?\nK: No, but if any come up I'll let you know.\nL: Good, I will always have a White House phone by me. I may\nbe in and out of the hospital half days, but my only problem is sitting.\nK: One thing, my impression is that Packard is determined to\nleave. Am I right? I don't believe the issues he is raising are worth\nresigning over.\nL: I think that's right. He's got other problems. I'm looking\nfor replacements. Rube Miller, do you know him? He's the President\nof TRW\nK: Oh yes,\nL: He's £ fine young man; I've worked with him a long time. Of\ncourse I've worked with Dave since 1958. He is going away now for two\nweeks. I think when he gets back\nI think he is at the end of his\nrope on this.\nK: If it's any particular grievance we can try to meet it.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Laird\n5/10/71 8:58 a. m.\np. 2\nL: The pressures of the job\nK: We can't make the job any easier.\nL: I know that. I'm looking for someone. I'll have someone by\nAugust. I have to do that Henry. You can't monkey around on these\nthings.\nK: Absolutely.\nL: But I can handle it. Alde, I'm going to send you a copy of\na letter to Bill today. I want to cool our spears on foreign assistance.\nHe thinks the only way to do it is to get it away from the CINCS. And\nyou/, know, they' ve done a good job. McCain and\nK: And give it to State?\nL: Yes.\nK: Impossible! These State guys are ideologically opposed to it.\nL: That's right. And if the Nixon Doctrine is going to work we\nhave got to go in the other direction. We are not going to appear with\nspears tomorrow if he uses this statement. We'll just stay away from it.\nK: He can't use that statement. Send it over to me and I'll keep\nhim from using it.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Connally\n5/10/71 9:35 a.m.\nK: I have a problem which I would like to discuss with you. I\nwonder if you could let me see you personally.\nC: Yes sir. I need to talk to you anyway.\nK: When would it be convenient for me to come over?\nC: Right now.\nK: I'll be over in 15 minutes.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nWilliam S. White\n5/10/71 Noon\nW: Just one thing. I was troubled by these pieces this morning\nabout what Stennis said yesterday.\nK: So am I.\nW: I wanted to ask, as a matter of guidance and not for any other\npurpose, what is your view of It s possible to read it that he's trying\nto hold off something worse\nK: That's what I read.\nW: Is it? It upsets me, but I presume he is trying to hold off\nsomething that would kill us in Indochina more directly, and second, he\nmay be trying to be sweetly reasnnable to get more help on the gudget.\nK: That's what I see in it.\nW: Okay, thank you.\nK: I'd like to see you at the end of the week if that's possible.\nW: It's not this week. I'm making a rare speech. But I could\ndo it next week.\nK: Fire.\nW: Do you want to call me or want me to call you.\nK: Why don't you call David Halperin on Monday when you get back?\nW: Okay.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nV.P./Kissinger\n2:50 p.m. 5/10/71\nVP: Are you busy?\nK: I have been poaching on your territory.\nVP: I hope you have behaved yourself.\nK: I have lived up to the best standards of the administration. I really loved it.\nVP: It's a shame Lenny Hatten died suddenly. Very close to Sinatra.\nK: I didn't see him. I have someone coming in in 5 mins. I could come over at\n4:30.\nVP: How about tomorrow morning?\nK: I'll be going to NY. How about Wed. morning.\nVP: I;m going out of town on revenue sharing. I want to talk about It's been\nsometime since we have talked about a foreign trip and it's been sometime since\nI have been on a foreign trip. There are somethings surfacing around the communit\nas to why I am not. I notice Stans went to Greece and got in troullewith the NYTime\nIsn't that ridiculous? He is criticized about someone who has given up 10 divisions\nfor NATO when they are eulogizing Chou En-Lai who has just returned from Hanoi.\nI am considering going to Greece.\nK: I will raise it with the President. Or do you want to talk with me first?\nVP: I would like to talk with you first.\nK: How about Thursday?\nVP: I will call you Thurs. and we will get together sometime.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Cromer/Kissinger\n5:12 p. m.\n5/10/71\nC: I am sorry I have been so elusive.\nK: You are very active as befits the British Ambassador. It now appears I will\nnot be going to London this weekend. Izz As for any other decisions, I am in\nno position to give them now.\nC: Do you hope in June?\nK: I will have to say no. We will let it lapse. I amy come. June or appeal\nto you at a later date.\nC: They are longing to see you.\nK: That's not the issue. It's a great pleasure to see your colleagues but\nit;s a thing I can set into many situations.\nC: I will let them know and you will get in touch when you are ready to do so.\nI am sorry for you, it's been so complicated. This visit we were not expecting.\nWe thought it would be later.\nK: I understand.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Smith/Kissinger\n11:30 a. m. -ish 5/11/71\nS: The General Advisory Committee meets tomorrow and wants a report. I said\nsince I have not seen the President that it's bad and I told him the WH didn't want me\nto talk to anyone until talking to him.\nK: The President feels strongly. And if Ruina goes running about --\nS: I will say I haven't seen the President until the Committee is out of town.\nK: The President wants to wait until after the Verification Panel. Hethoughtif you\nwould wait until Mon. or Tues. , he would prefer it. He wants to study the papers\nand meet Mon. or Tues.\nS: If we get inquiries from the Hill --\nK: Say you are leaving the end of the week and we will hold you over.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nJ. Schlessinger/Kissinger\n11:35 a.m.\n5/11/71\nK: I am going to NY this afternoon and back tomorrow. I ask you don't make a\nfinal decision until we can talk. The place you will be most useful would be at\nassessments. If it's a case of levels we can settle it. I have talked\nwith Haldeman about it. Finances can be fixed.\nS: You have to deal with Congress more. They tend to foul up the mechanics.\nK: Don't commit yourself until we can talk tomorrow or the next day.\nS: You bet.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nGeo. Ball/Kissinger\n10:20 a. m. 5/12/71\nK: I am claling for a little help. Your Democratic friends are going crazy on\nNATO.\nB: I will be glad to help.\nK: It looks as if they have a majority. We are trying to hold the Senate Republicans\nI can't hold it without support on the Democrat side.\nB: All right.\nK: Some sense of of the gravity of what we are up against, the Republicans are\nsuggesting a compromise to the Mansfield thing -- \"Congress finds the amount of\nfunds maintaining forces in Europe ?????. It's therefore the sense of the\nCongress to withdraw from Europe a substantial portion ? ? ? ? ? 11' You can\nimggine what the others are like. I am talking out of school. I have the Republican\nleadership to reject for a week any compromise of any kind and I will move to get\npublic pressure against them and I will report in 48 hours.\nB: I need from you the XXX nose count of who is the best people to hit.\nK: I don't have it here. I will get it for you.\nB: I need some kind of current briefing on balance of payments and offset and\nmaybe the best things is to come down and go to work.\nK: What groxxx C an we get into the media. Can you work on the NY Times?\nB: Sure. I will call Oakes this afternoon.\nK: And senior people along the same line.\nB: At the Times?\nK: No. People who help run foreign policy.\nB: Cy Vance and Dean Acheson. When I get to NYC I will start.\nK: Let me know what you can do. VN is trivia compared to this.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Rogers/Kissinger\n5/12/71 10:55 a. m.\nK: I was just calling you. I had a talk with the President. I guess\nwe're talking about the same thing.\nR: Yes, he called me about it. I want all our ducks in a row. I\nthink I should do it initially.\nK: I wanted to discuss that with you. The President wanted me to\ndiscuss this: You should handle all contacts with the Senators except the\nones he should make himself and\nR: It may well be that he should get involved. But right now may\nbe too soon. It might seem frenetic.\nK: We have scheduled a meeting here on the substantive positions\nat the end of which assignment for Senatorial contacts will be given to\nState. This is simply so that MacGregor is clued in to it and also so we\ncan plan what outside groups should get involved.\nR: Let's not plan that wixwi till we know what we want to do. I\nthink the first thing is for me to see Mansfield and talk to him. The\nsecond important thing is to urge the Senate to delay, for the obvious\nreason that this is a major step and if the Senate is thinking of such\nbroad action they should at least hold hearings and give us a chance to\ntestify. I don't see how Mansfield can avoid that kind of appeal. But\nthe first thing is to keep others out of it for the moment. Ithought I'd\nget in touch with Mansfield, Scott and Griffin.\nK: We have had Scott and Griffin here this morning. They are willing\nfor a delay, but they are worried about the Senate situation.\nR: Well, I'll keep you and Clark posted. Let me first talk to\nScott and if he doesn't oppose it I'll talk to Mansfield. I'll appeal to\nhis judgment, ask him to at least hold hearings. It destroys the idea\nof a European Security Conference. Cause we don't have any chips. I\nsaid we would have a conference but the principal subject would be\nxitx mutual balanced force reductions. This destroys that.\nS\nK: Well, keep me postedć.\nR: Sure will. Say Henry, I've called Al Haig, but I didn't get him\nyet. Did you see the memo about Korry?\nK: No.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Rogers\n5/12/71 10:55 a. m.\npa. 2\nR: Well Korry wrote this long bleeding letter\nK: Yes, I've seen the letter.\nR: It just confirms what my suspicions are -- I think he's crazy.\nBut the memo said we should find a place for him. I've got the perfect\nrecommendation: I think he should take Frances Kinght's place.\n[laughter]\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nDean Acheson/Kissinger\n11:20 a. m.\n5/12/71\nK: I was going to ask you for some help. I don't know whether you followed\nthe Mansfield resolution.\nA: I am aware of it.\nanother\nK: It's to cut our forces in Europe by half. It's not X just x/resolution because\nit has a good chance of passing. It's before the Senate. To give you some idea\nof the sense of the panic that seizes our people, they are playing with a com-\npromise resolution it says they should be cut in half. Immediately cut 6ff\na substantial ? ? ? ? and our people think it would be a compromise. I have\ndone the following: I talked with Scott and Griffin this morning and said we bled\non this XXX 20 years ago. I said there's no compromise and so I said let me\nsee if the wise men can influence this. Some editorials into the press and\ncontacts with Senators. We are holding firm here. We are not going along with\nanything.\nA: I will do what I can. What do you want? You can use me or quote me.\nK: Any Senators to whom you are close?\nA: Those that are close are for you. Jackson. Symington is no good.\nK: If you could say something publicly. I will think about it and and alert you\nnow. I will call you back.\nA: I am in the country in the house now because it's raining but when it's\nnice I will beout. I will be back.\nK: You will be back later?\nA: after 5:00.\nK: I will call then and let you know where we stand.\nA: This is very important and I will do what I can. I had a letter in Sunday's\npaper on the riots. I have on on VN I'm thinking of. I am on your side in this.\nK: We will hold firm here.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMcGeo. Bundy/Kissinger\n11: 30 a. m.\n5/12/71\nB: What city are you in?\nK: Back in Washington.\nB: Swung back to work.\nK: I was in NY when I\nB: Just for Kitty you came.\nK: She is nice but I didn't come for her. We need some establishment help\nwith a problem. I don't know if you have followed the Mansfield resolution.\nHe has tacked an amendment on the draft bill for a cut in half of our forces\nin a year in Europe. It has a chance of passing. I talked with Scott and Griffin\nand they are going on a compromise resoltion. Their idea of a compromise\nis to go from\nto sense of Congress and a substantial cut immediately.\nI have told them and the President's firm that this would undermine the whole\npost-war policy. It's one thing to debate how quickly the cancer in VN should\nbe cut out but to make a decision of this magnitude by rolling it through Congres\nwould be a disaster. Do you agree?\nB: I do. It's partly an inherited deal. The Executive Branch has never paid\nmuch attention to him (Mansfield) and never had a chance of a lot. He is not\naiming this at the President but a faceless force that keeps 6 divisions in\nEurope forever. He feels it's not necessary. I don't know what your level\nof communication with Mike is.\nK: We have good communications with him. The President sees him often and\nthis is sprung on us without warning. We saw him two weeks ago onChina and\nwe wer e helpful to him. I have gotten Scott and Griffin to hold off for a week\nwith the arguement that people who have been concerned share our concern\nabout this action and I was certain that whatever divisions are on VN and other\nissues that on structure of the Atlantic Alliance there can be no dispute and a\nwide consequence on this. The Gallop Polls show ? ????. I am not\nlooking for a public statement but XIXXXXIX some articles in papers. TIMEs\nand NEWSWEEK. If you could help us -- not only us but a sane foreign policy.\nIt could be anquishing or painful but we can't get out and find we are out of\neverywhere else.\nB: 50% by the end of '71 out of W. Europe?\nK: Tht's right. The compromise says that xxxxlxxxx amount spent by US 117/ P ?\n? ? ? 11 \"It's therefore the sense of the Congress that the President should\ntake immediate action to withdraw from Europe at the earliest practical date\n? ? ? ? ? It's a little better.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nBundy/Kissinger\n11:30 a.m.\n5/12/71\n-2-\nB: Quite a little better because it's hooked to things that could be said to be\nunder control ? ? ? and the political aspects of it. What's the exfexcx exact\nstatus -- how do the West Europeans perceive keeping exactly the same number\nof troops there?\nK: We have no intention -- we are not mindlessly keeping 6 divisions there as a\nfigure.\nB: We did so I thought you might be !\nK: Se made a detailed study of NATO requirements and what Europeans\nhave to do for capability there. The way strategic palance is going it's ridiculou\nto\nfor the defense of Europe. We have that program underway. We ha\nmake the most painstaking approach for mutual force reductions from the\nSoviets and from interest there including public ones. We are willing to deal\nwith them on that.\nB: Does Congress knowthat?\nK: Yes and they will know more clearly. Rogees will be active on that.\nB: I'ts the best way -- for Rogers to show there's double activity and I think\nthe negotiator needs time.\nK: What we need this week that there's some support and not just mindless\nopposition to all foreign policy.\nB: I will talk with Geyelin and see what I can get.\nK: It's better not to turn this into a partisan issue.\nB: I don't find Kleiman very useful now a days. But I can feel him out.\nK: Anything that could be done -- it will make so many -- it makes SEA problem\neasier if it's clear that it's a basis for our foreign policy.\nB: It counts the other way too because I don't think the present position will hold\nand I will have to reach out for Mansfield on SEA. Hewould go for that. If\nwe showed we were getting out he would bear with you on NATO.\nK: The President feels he has been reaching out for two years.\nB: That's how the WH always feels. Perceiving the world too much\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nBundy/Kissinger\n11:30 a.m.\n5/12/71\n-3-\nK: You can argue the President hasn't out enough. I remember the ceasefire\nwas only thing that separated us from Mansfield.\nB: I x always thought that argument didn't work.\nK: 6 weeks is useful at this point.\nB: The relationship between the end of US combat involvement and what else\nwe need to do. I will wankx send you a copy of my lecture on this subject.\nI agree with you on this and if it's tied with leather on SEA but you need time\non this I agree.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSenator Javits/Mr. Kissinger\n11:55 a. m., May 12, 1971\nK:\nJack, how are you?\nJ:\nScott and Griffin briefed me on the trouble with Mansfield.\nI came up with a possible alternate -- 'The President has requested\nto negotiate within NATO for the mutual and balanced forces with\nthe Soviets for greater troop responsibility with our other NATO\npartners for money with respect to the U.S. balance of payments\nand a report will be made to the Congress every 90 days.'\nK:\nWe would not go along with that.\nyou're\nJ:\nWhy? I'm not saying/going to do it. I have no interest in\ndoing it unless you people approve.\nK:\nIt puts us under the gun on our negotiations with the Russians.\nJ:\nWe could leave out the Russians.\nK:\nAnd under the gun with regard to progress on troop withdrawals.\nWe wouldn't want to do that. This goes to the heart of the Atlantic\nstructure and for that to be considered without hearings is almost\ninconceivable. If we lose, we will lose and then we will know why\nforeign policy isn't possible.\nJ:\nThen you want to fight frontly.\nK:\nThis is the basis for our post-war foreign policy. We are\nprepared to discuss with the Soviets. If Congress wants to run off\nbefore we even start negotiations, the present inclination of the President\nis if Congress wants to take that responsibility, there is nothing he can\ndo.\nJ:\nWhat about negotiations in NATO for example of more responsibility?\nK:\nThat is what we are trying to do.\nJ:\nI mean putting that in words.\nK:\nI would have to see what the words are. We might look at that.\nJ:\nWhat about the Mathias substitute?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nSenator Javits/XXX Mr. Kissinger\n11:55 a. m., May 12, 1971\nK:\nAt this stage, the President is of a mind where he feels that\nthis is the worst moment to open the NATO issue without any preparation\nor warning. At the end of a year where we got the Europeans to commit\nthemselves to strengthen their forces, and at a time when we are entering\nnegotiations with the Russians on MBFR, we find it hard to understand.\nJ:\nThe case is with you. I am going to vote against all these\nresolutions. But we are talking about what is to be done. Let me try\nmy hand at some language. Understand that I am acting as a lawyer.\nK:\nI know your views on NATO.\nJ:\nI will be against all of them.\nK:\nSo will we.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTLECON\nSecy. Connally\n12:06 p.m.\n5/12/71\nK: I want to find out whether you have anything on the Pakistan problem.\nC: I have but it's not satisfactory. We are koxxkxix working on it. They are\nready to send a mission over -- IMF and World Bank. Our people are\nworking on it. Whatxxx Ought to have bette r ideas this afternoon. I will let\nyou know.\nK: That's want I wanted to check with you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nClark MacGregor\nMr. Kissinger\n12:55 p.m., 5/12/71\nM:\nHenry, there has been no formal Javits proposal. There\nhas been an informal discussion between Javits and Stennis.\nJavits believes the proposal as Abshire does it will give us\ntime.\nK:\nHow would it be if I called Stennis?\nM:\nI would call both Javits and Stennis if I were you.\nK:\nGood. I will call both.\nmlh\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Rogers\n5/12/71 1:00pm\nR:\njust told me what you did with the Treasury. I\nwanted to thank you.\nK: I am on your side; I'll do anything you want.\nR: It's really the President's side.\nK: Oh that's right; we're all together on this. I'll do what I can\nto keep the other departments in line. They can't take the position\nthat they want to reserve and then do anyway what Mansfield is recom-\nmending.\nR: I know. We're going to have difficulty enough meeting it\nwithout rivalry in our ranks. Well thank you very much Henry.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSenator Javits\n5/12/71 1:10pm\nJ: Let me read this to you. You can leave out the first clause if\nyou want: \"The President is requested to negotiate within NATO for\nthe assumption of greater troop levels by the other NATO members\nand financial arrangements consistent with the balance of payments\nsituation of the United States; and, to withdraw U.S. forces in Europe\nto the extent made possible by such negotiations. The President shall\nreport to the Congress in 90 days, and each 90 days thereafter, on the\nprogress of such negotiations. 11 (Verbatim- read to jlp after conversation)\nK: Which clause can come out?\nJ: The first. If you don't want to say anything about that it's okay.\nI don't think it does any harm\nK: Of course it does.\nJ: To leave it in?\nK: Yes.\nJ: Okay, then it would read this way: 11\nK: Let me take it up with my colleagues. I want to give it the\nattention it deserves. I do not believe we are going to go along with it.\nJ: That's okay. We just wanted you to know what we are thinking.\nScott, Griffin and Stennis\nIf you don't like it just tell Scott no.\nHe may say we like this but if you don't give us something better.\nK: We'll take it up with the President.\nJ: Another thing -- I applied to the Russians for a visa. They\nare giving me hell in Isvertia. I've gotten the visa but I'm inclined not\nto go unless I get Dobrynin's and everyone's understanding that I will\nbe well received. What do you think?\nK: It depends on what you mean by everyone.\nJ: I mean that I will be reasonably received by the people I'm going\nto see.\nK: Why are they giving you hell?\nJ: They' re saying I'm the Senator from Tel Avia.\nK: Don't go unless you know they will treat you respectfully.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nSection 401 (A)\nThe President is requested to negotiate within NATO for the\nassumption of greater troop levels by other NATO members and\nfinancial arrangements consistent with the balance of payments\nsituation of the United States; and, to withdraw U.S. forces in\nEurope to the extent made possible by such negotiations.\nSection 401\n(B)\nThe President shall report to the Congress in 90 days, and\neach 90 days thereafter, on the progress of such negotiations.\nSenator Javits' office is\ngoing to give text to Senator Scott and tell him that Mr. Kissinger has\nit and he will get back to Scott as to whether the White House wants to\ngo with it. Senators Scott, Griffin and Stennis are quie anxious to have\nthis introduced this afternoon. Best person to get back to is Sena tor\nScott.\n1\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTHE WHITE HOUSE\nWASHINGTON\nMay 12, 1971, 1:19pm\nMr. Kissinger:\nDave Abshire just (1:18) called with the\nmessage that Senators Scott and Griffin have\nnot seen or signed on to the language of the\namendment given to you by Javits. Only\nJavits and Stennis have signed on to it.\nJulie\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSenator Buckley/Mr. Kissinger\n1:19 p. m., May 12, 1971\nB:\nJim Buckley.\nK:\nJim, how are you?\nB:\nI have been getting more and more concerned and depressed about\nour overall strategic prospects -- militarily around the globe. I judge\nby something Bill told me you are also concerned. The other thing\nI now have a feel for is the country at large is not appropriately educated\nto the problems we are facing. If I seem to have a voice-box available\nto me, I am thinking in terms of getting up on my hind feet and expressing\nmy concern.\nK:\nYou will have my strong behind-the-scenes support.\nB:\nI will be leap-frogging the Administration's official position here\nand there. The Press may say I am turning on President Nixon. I\nwould like to have a few minutes with the President to tell him what I\nam up to.\nK:\nLet me try. I don't control his schedule, but I will make a request\non your behalf. We will suffer no pain having someone to the right of us.\nIt would be a great national service. As long as I have you on the phone,\nI hope you will find something Xpoxxx appropriate to say on the NATO\nResolution. It is essential that that be defeated and that there be no\ncompromise.\nB:\nI will be glad to. Could you give me some ammunition? Get it\nto my foreign policy guy -- Bill Schneider. [This was done by John Lehman\non 5/12/71]\nK:\nI will do that. Thank you, Jim. Bye\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSenator Griffin/Mr. Kissinger\n1:19 p. m., May 12, 1971\nK:\nI'm sorry to keep you waiting. I have talked to the President,\nand Javits is now bugging us with another compromise language which\nhe thinks you, Scott and Stennis want to go along with.\nG:\nHis language would certainly be innocuous.\nK:\nNo -- because it commits us to withdrawal of forces and negotiations\nto withdraw forces three months after we made a commitment not to\nwithdraw forces.\nG:\nI see.\nK:\nWhy don't we stick with what we discussed this morning and\nsee what we can generate. George Ball is willing to work full time on\nDemocratic Senators full time. He was very close to Humphrey. I have\ntalked to McGeorge Bundy. We are getting the foreign policy establishment\nlined up -- but we need time.\nG:\nWe are going to be meeting at 2:00 with Stennis, SCott and\nMansfield trying to reach agreement as to time. There is a Mathias\namendment up now. I think we could probably -- if we could agree to\nvote on it -- maneuver over to Tuesday. But I don't think we can go\nall week without any voting.\nK:\nAll we can do is tell you that what is being considered now isn't\na termination of one particular thing with unpredictable consequences.\nWhat is being discussed now is shaking the whole basis of American\nforeign policy.\nG:\nWhat we can do is be sure that Mansfield does not come up till\nnext week. We will do that under any circumstances.\nK:\nAnd that we do not have any other compromises floating now\nuntil we can see what can be generated.\nG:\nThat I don't know. That will be tough. Have you read the\nMathias thing?\nK:\nYes.\nG:\nIs that a problem?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nSenator Griffin/Mr. Kissinger\n1:19 p. m., May 12, 1971\n- 2 -\nK:\nLet me look at it again. It will not survive in that form.\nG:\nWe are in a position of not just being able to filibuster until\nnext week.\nK:\nWhen the whole post-war American foreign policy is at stake?\nG:\nLook at the Mathias thing. It isn't going to pass; I can tell you\nthat. It's a question of whether there can be a vote on it.\nK:\nI can't tell you how to handle it parliamentarily. But I can't\n*X*X\nsupport it for the Administration.\nG:\nAll right.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMr. Kissinger\nSecretary Laird\n1:35 pm, 5/12/71\nL:\nHello Henry, did your meeting go along okay at noon? We will\nwin that alright because Mansfield has gone so far that in con-\nference committee even if we lose in Senate I guarantee we can\nwin in conference.\nK:\nWill you then quiet down MacGregor?\nL:\nHe is upset because we might lose in Senate. We should not\ngo for a compromise. You want it as bad as it can be. Mansfield\nhas gone as far as he can.\nK:\nMay I tell the President this?\nL:\nYes, of course. But the problem we are going to have here -\nthis is one of a series of bad things that will take place. Because\nwe had a close vote on the two-year extension of draft, we are\ngoing to have trouble holding our troops. We have to have a draft.\nThese Republicans, and I am calling them today, in the election\nyear you will get nothing. The other thing, we have to get the\nManpower Amendments for SEA and\n?\nwe cannot panic on\nthem but it is going to be/damned hard period.\nK:\nWhat limitations?\nL:\nIn the hearings before the Foreign Relations Committee, Eagleton\nsaid we were going to use the manpower limitations in 1973.\nI have been trying to finesse and not talk about it. We cannot have\nthat and that is why I have been playing it down. I say we just\nhave to have options available. I say we cannot have the enemy\nknow what we are planning in 1973.\nK:\nRight. I appreciate this Mel and I will tell the President.\nL:\nI think Mansfield has gone so far we should not move toward\na compromise move at this time.\nK:\nRight. I am trying to keep everyone together. If you can help\nwith State?\nL:\nI think State is alright.\nK:\nI will try to keep MacGregor in line.\nL:\nThe next few months will be a tough period.\nmlh\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nStennis/Kissinger\n1:45 p.m.\n5/12/71\nK: I am taking the liberty of calling you which I don't do if I can avoid it on\nthe Mansfield business. The President's deep conviction is that the resolution\nand any compromise would unravel the whole postwar Xxxx foreign policy.\nThis goes to the heart of everything we have been trying to do and X can't\ngo along with the Mansfield resolution or any compromise including the Javits\none. You will make your own decision but this is a matter of unde rmining\nour national interest. If Congress wants to take that responsibility / / / /\nor leave any doubt that he is opposed to it.\nS: I am glad to talk with you about it and get his position. Starting with that the\nquestion of the botes I just don't know. I think it's against us vote-wise.\nK: If the Senate wants to be on the record on something thex it doesn't hold\na hearing to un-do 25 years of bipartisan American foregin policy -- if we\nhave come to that point then it will be but the President hopes good sense of the\nSenate will take hold.\nS: I am not yelling one iota.\nK: On VN we believe we are right. But that's one policy we are tryingto\ndisengage but on NATO it's the whole structure of the post-war\n. And\nwhen both things are defeated simultanwously we will have a policy that's like\nFinland or go completely independent in nuclear way in which the whole Atlantic\nrelationship is jeopardized. I have talked with the President about it and we\ncannot go on a compromise that will maintain the principle that is contrary to\nour judgment on what's necessary to preserve the peace when the strategic\nbalance is\nunless there's substantial ground forces there.\nS: I am with you. I would like a token reduction to keep it from overwhelming\nus.\nK: We are going to end negotiations on force reductions and I know the Presiden\nwould appreciate whatever you can do in the national interest.\nS: You mean filibuster it to death? We don't have the vote. We stand a chance\nof deteriorating our stance on selective service act.\nK: Xxx Not fillibuster but go into the next week to see what the public mood is.\nS: Scott, Griffing and I talked about it and we plan to go over it with Mansfield.\nbill but he\n.asked him to withdraw his part until we have finished the other parts of the\nwouldn't. I haven't t ought of anything -- we can probably get it\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nStennis/Kissinger\n1:45 p.m.\n5/12/71\n-2-\nS: ((cont) into next week but there might be a preliminary vote to get it over.\nI\nK: I don't talk parliamentary tactics with you.\nS: We don't have the vote to beat them. Without you agreeing to anything like\nthe Javits proposal I don't kkx think we could get enough votes to substitute\nthe Javits proposal but within its own terms there's nothing injurious in it.\nK: Our judgment is that there would be.\nS: Weaken you in other matters?\nK: It does tell the President to start withdrawing troops and make a 90 day\nreport to that effect.\nS: I just heard about it orally. For some withdrawal that's been told me.\nThe first thing I MX did was to\nthe President's group up here.\nK: You have always been a patriot and I am only telling you what the President's\nfeelings are.\nS: There's no agreement yet and back to this being specific you want it\ncarried uver until next week before a vote. You are against XXX everything.\nK: It's not very constructive but we think it's in the national interest.\nS: I am disappointed in it's being jeopardized in the selective service. It's\nclose now as to whether we can hold it to 2 years. If we sit on it a couple of\nweeks\nK: If we go on a coupl e of weeks. (?)\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nXXIXIXXXX\nTELCON\nMcCloy/Kissinger\n1:59 p.m. 5/12/71\nK: I am calling you because of the Mansfield resolution.\nM: I saw it in the paper this morning.\nK: It's picking up steam to cut forces in Europe by half. Now they have another\nit looks as if it will pass the Senate and we are being beseiged with compromise\nwhich\nthe mildest one says'?? ? ? ? ? ? ? \" You know what -- I don't have\nto tell you what it will do in Europe.\nM: It couldn't be worse.\nK: The Republiclans were ready to cave this morning and the Democrats are\nout of control. I appealed it to them on the ground that leaders of foreign\npolicy establishment will rally and so it will be a disaster. I am phoning all\nover today - Geo. Ball, Mac Bundy -- he will follow someone xh else but he\nwon't take the first bout.\nM: What do you want me to do?\nK: Ahything you can. If you have some influence with the newspapers.\nM: The Times is always critical and the Washington Post. I could call Kay\nGraham.\nK: That would be a tremendous help.\nM: The Times I could call Oakes. When is it coming up?\nK: I can delay a vote until next Tues. but it's urgent to get ground swell going.\nDo you know any Senators?\nM: Javits.\nK: He is sponsoring a compromise solution but it's the sort I will read you\nthe test. \"The President is requested to negotiate for the assumption of greater\ntroop levels 11111. He is further requested to withdraw in Europe to the\nextent made possibly by such negotiations ????? on the progress of such\nwithdrawals.\"\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nMcCloy/Kissinger\n1:59 p.m.\n5/12/71\n-2-\nM: Sure, Sure.\nK: I rather have no compromise then to have Javits sponsor such.\nM: I will call him and do what I can with the two newspapers. Would Lovitt's\nintercession be helpful?\nK: Absolutely!\nM: I suppose G--\nis discounted but he should be approached.\nK: I will call him.\nM: Let's see --\nK: We are bringing Goodpastor back.\nM: Where's Percy stand?\nK: It doesn't do any harm.\nM: I will call the newpapers and I will try to get Lovitt lined us and Javits\nand Buckley.\nK: We have talked with him.\nM: Muskie out of line?\nK: It would be appropriate if you call him. You know what it will do to Brandt.\nI feel about him as you do but we don't want to do this to him.\nM: That's right. I just got a call from the German Consulate in NY saying\nBrandt is coming here in the first part of June and wants me to appear with him\non the platform. I said I would but what does he want me to say? I will not\ngive on my position. No public debate on Ost-Politik. I said let me know what\nyou want me to say and why you want me and what it's about. I will have to\nget in communication with thim. Another thing -- Slater called me and said you *\ntalked with him that you wanted me to communicate with Brandt to put strength\nbehind any British Entry.\nK: We thought it would be helpful. Strongly in the national interest.\nSI: I can do that. I will go to work.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nMcCloy/Kissinger\n1:59 p.m.\n5/12/71\n-3-\nK: We are under a time pressure. Do you know anyone at TIME or NEWSWEEP\nM: Sure. Donovan.\nK: That would help. Better then if I do it.\nM: I will take care of that. I will go on my ownn\nK: I will let you know what I have done.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nJohnson/Kissinger\n3:01 p.m.\n5/2/71\nJ: I was going to suggest we postpone this 3:00.\nK: I am inclined to do it too. I will postpone it.\nJ: This other is higher priority at the moment.\nK: I will cancel it.\nJ: I will see you at 6:00.\nK: I called McCloy and he is calling Oakes, Donovan, Graham, Muskie and\nLovvit.\nJ: Good. You talked with Geo. Ball. I talked with Springsteen and he is\ncalling me. I told Geo. He is coming down. You will be hearing from him.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMcGeo. Bundy/Kissinger\n3:20 p.m.\n5/12/71\nB: I talked with several people and wanted to give you the upshot. George (?)\nis\nfor hours. Goint to Washington and up on the Hill. Many think\nthere should be a public advertisement by people who have dealt with European\nmatters. Post is all right. Doing an editorial agiaanst Mansfield. Kleiman\nis with you. Gehelin told me that the guy who best understood Germany wa\nMathias and has a resolution and feeling very neglected by the WH. He thinks\nhe can talk Mansfield out of it.\nK: The Mathias resolution isn't so bad but when you have a ? ? ? and the\namendment process starts it all over again.\nB: He understands that.\nK: If we could be sure the Mathias resolution would go as it is we have no\nproblem.\nB: He is feeling theat the WH never talks with would be friends.\nK: It's a symptom of the Senate but I will do it.\nB: His heart is in the right place and has good lines to the John Coopers of the\nworld. He is a good guy.\nI am\nK: When one of the two fellows who talks with him but not when I should. He\nis a good guy.\nB: Give him a line he can use. His feeling to me was that Mansfield thing has\nbeen coming but the administration hasn't given alternatives and not working on\nhow to stop it. I said it was difficult in our time but then he was in the House.\nK: I appreciate this. Thank you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nGeo. Bell/Kissinger\n3:26 p.m.\n5/12/71\nK: I understand you are churning up the town.\nB: We are doing what we can.\nK: If you are not already planning it, we would appreciate your coming down.\nB: I am coming the first thing in the morning.\nK: The President would like to meet with you tentatively at 4:30 tomorrow\nafternoon. 3-5 wisemea who have dealt with Europe.\nB: Vance may be in Washington tomorrow. I have just been talking with him.\nK: I don't know if he is liked in the front office.\nB: He is prepared to go down the line. Katzenback would go. Clay. I have\ntalked with Lusium and he is deeply commited and would do anything to help\nthe situation. My position is that it's my initiative and I am volunteering.\nK: To us it's not a partisan thing.\nB: I don't want to embarass the WH. It's the position I have taken.\nK: Wait a minute. The President is calling\nI will check Vance\nand Katzenbach.\nB: Bundy would be good on this.\nK: Have you talked with the Times?\nBV : Kleiman is going to Washington in the morning. I have a call to Oakes.\nKleiman writing it. I have talked with Springsteen who is getting the information\ntogether.\nK: Someone whould get to Kleiman before the weekend.\nB: I will talk with Kleiman tomorrow. W Also I will see Scotty and if ther's\nanybody else in that line that will be useful.\nK: Does Kraft write any sense.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nGeo. Ball/Kissinger\n3:26 p.m.\n5/12/71\n-2-\nB: I will call him. I might be able to deal with him on this. I will touch\nbase with this -- I know the press corps well. I will have a NEWSWEEK\ncolumn on Monday.\nK: How about Elliott?\nB: I will talk ? ? ?. I could do a strong column.\nK: And also in their news section. It's great to work with an old pro. Come\nto my office at 4:15.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nThe President/Mr. Kissinger\n3:27 p.m., May 12, 1971\nK:\nMr. President. I was on the phone with George Ball.\nP:\nI wanted to ask Al Haig something.\nK:\nYou might want to know that the Post is going to have an editorial\ntomorrow blasting the Mansfield Resolution. But I will tell you about\nit later.\nP:\nGood.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nDavid Rockefeller\n5/12/71 3:40 p.m.\nK: I'm calling at the request ofthe President, and on my own,\nabout the great give situation being raised by the Mansfield Resolution\nR: Isn't it awful.\nK: He is tacking this on his amendment to a draft bill so it\ndoesn't go before committees where we could marshall testimonies.\nYou can imagine what a Congressional vote forcing reduction of forces\nin Europe of 50 percent would do. Everyone is panicked. The Republican\nleadership has come up with a compromise which does not have the\nfigures but would hold the President to immediate substantial withdrawal.\nI talked this morning to Scott and Griffin the told them that this relation-\nship with Europe is the cornerstone of our\n.\nWe can't\nunravel it on the basis of an amendment to a draft bill. I told them if\nthey could restrain from compromises and hold the vote off for a week we\ncould elicit statements from senior citizens. The President would like\nto get a group together at 4:30 tomorrow to discuss this situation. He\nis asking\nand you.\nR: My trouble is I'm leaving in a couple of hours for Europe. I've\ngotto make a speech. I don't see how I can. You sertainly have my\nand perhaps McCloy could let me know.\nK: When will you be back?\nR: I'll be away for two weeks.\nK: I am wondering whether there might be a chance for you to call Hedley\nDonovan or someone at the New York Times to express your concern before\nyou go.\nR: I certainly will. I think it's desperate. Be delighted to send\ntelegrams telegrams or anything like that.\nK: It might be better if you could send telegrams to some Senators\nyour voice might carry some weight with.\nR: Who in your office can we gear this in with? I literally am going\nto have to fly -- I'll get someone else to work on the telegrams and approve\nthem before I go.\nK: Have someone get in touch with John Lehman through the White\nHouse. If they have any trouble calling him, let them get in touch with\nGeneral Haig he'll get them together. Or Sonnenfeldt would be even better.\nIf you could send some telegrams to Senators\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nDavid Rockefeller\n5/12/71 3:40 p.m.\npage 2\nR: It might be best.\nK: It would be very helpful.\nR: I feel very badly about having to leave, but I will certainly do\nthat and I can be reached along the way if you need more telegrams or\nsomething. If you feel additional telegrams will be helpful I'll be\ndelighted.\nK: That would be very helpful and if you could get word to some\nof the key newspapers and magazines about your personal concern that\nwould be very helpful.\nR: Okay, I'll certainly do that.\nK: Thank you/ Have a good trip. I may get in touch with you\nalong the way.\nR: My office will always know where to reach me.\nK: Good. Have a good trkp.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nDean Acheson\n5/12/71 3:45 p.m.\nA: I've been thinking over your difficulty. It seems to me what\nwe want is a little volley firing and not just a splattering of musketry. If\nthe President prepared a short and simply statement and we got all the\nliving ex-President/s, all the living former Secretaries of State, all the\nformer Mix military top men, former high commissioners, Chiefs of\nStaff\nK: I get the point.\nA: Include all of these and have the President put it all out. If\nhe said a sentence or two along the lines of \"I believe that to withdrawn\nany of the forces now standing at arms with our allies in Europe would be\na disaster of incalculable proportions.\"\nK: Excellent.\nA: Then have the others say \"I wholeheartedly concur with the\nPresident\" and sign it.\nK: That's an excellent idea. I was going to call you because the\nPresident wants a group of people like you together tomorrow at 4:30\nto discuss this, if that is convenient.\nA: Sure.\nK: This other I am almost certain will also be done. Can you make\nit at 4:30?\nA: Yes.\nK: And let me get that other started right away.\nA: I think with Truman the best thing would be for the President\nto call him himself, and with Mr. Byrns also. He's a funny fellow; he\nmight be too ill to do it, but I don't think so. st will be an imposing group\nof people.\nK: And I think we'll get them all.\nA: With a phalanz like that it's hard to oppose.\nK: Good. We'll see you tomorrow.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nKatzenbach/Kissinger\n4:18 p.m.\n5/12/71\nK: Have you changed your VN policy?\nHAK: I want the same toleration -- I am not calling on VN. I am coalling\non the Manfield business of pulling out half of our troops in Europe. No\nmatter what our disagreements in Vn we can't shake the policy in Europe\nin this way. The President would like to get together a bipartisan group\ntomorrow to talk about that problem. I wondered if you could come at 4:30.\nNothing to do with policitics. We know where you stand on several other\nissues.\nK: I haven't donw you much damage, Henry.\nHAK: No, you haven't.\nK: Obviously.\nHAK: We are asking McCloh and Ball and Nitze.\nK: 4:30.\nHAK: If it's -- we ;understand it's short notice.\nKI have a desparately important to them hospital board meeting in NY. I will\nget a 3:00 shuttle.\nHAK: We will meet you at the airport. Maybe you and I can have a word\nafterwards.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nRon Ziegler\n5/12/71 4:30pm\nZ: I didn't get asked about the Mansfield thing, but I'm goin g to\nplant a question this afternoon. Go over what you said to me again.\nK:\nwould overthrow bipartisan foreing policy carried out in\nfour Administrations since the end of the war, and the very cornerstone\nof American foreing policy.\nZ: And that's our strength in Europe?\nK: Don't put it just on military terms. It's the whole Atlantic\nrelationship that would be jeopardized.\nZ: And that's the NATO structure.\nK: NATO structure, political relationships, everything.\nZ: Overthrow the bipartisan foreign policy structured by the last\nfour Administrations and the very\nwhat?\nK: The very cornerstone of our foreigh policy. But don't put it\nin only military terms. And the President is all charged up on it now so\nyou can hit it hard.\nZ: Seriously detrimental to our alliance\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nThe President\n5/12/71 6:14pm\nP: Have you finished your meeting?\nK: Yes, I just got out. They have, in effect, accepted everything.\nP: You think so?\nK: I know so. Before I can give you the absolutely final word\nI have to go to a Mansfield meeting now, but I can drop over afterwards.\nP: What time?\nK: 7:00\nP: Good.\nK: In the meantime, they are thinking of making an announcement\nnext Thursday. We got practically everything we asked for.\nP: Conciliatory?\nK: Oh yes. I really shook him yesterday.\nP: Good.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger\nJoe Kraft\n5/12/71; 7:15 p.m.\nKraft: Hello, Henry, how are you?\nK: I have been approving of some of your columns.\nKraft: All this whispering of summits -- any truth to this?\nK: Not that I know.\nKraft: The story is that Dobrynin came home with an invitation.\nK: No! Your assessment from Moscow is a lot better. He did not come\nhere with an invitation.\nKraft: Are you on the point of doing something with Gerry?\nK: We will be next week.\nKraft: I was up on the Hill today and talked to some of the senators about\nEuropean troop resolution which I think is crazy.\nK: It is a disaster an unraveling of our foreign policy.\nKraft: The Draft by itself is a pretty big deal, Vietnam is a big deal and to\ndraw a third thing is\nSince there is a troop limitation overall in it,\nit would be appropriate to put a vote to it on the overall instead of Europe.\nK: I will put this to\n.\nWe will figure out where to meet and the\ntime.\nKraft: Okay, Henry, see you on Friday.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nGeneral Haig & Mr. Kissinger/Cy Vance\n7:15 p.m., May 12, 1971\nH:\nThe President asked us to call a group of people on the NATO thing.\nV:\nRight.\nH:\nWhat he is trying to do in a bi-partisan way and to keep it out of the\npolitical field for the good of our country and in our future negotiations\nwith the Russians is to get a group of people together to talk about it.\nV:\nRight.\nH:\nThe whole thing Mansfield has recommended would really devastate\nus here. We are bringing in people tomorrow bi-partisan in national\nfield. This could be disastrous to us. He would like to include you\nif you felt you could do it.\nV:\nI will be coming down tomorrow with George on the 7:30 plane and I\nwill be at a meeting in the morning and I have to be back in New York\nin the evening. What time is the meeting?\nH:\n4:30.\nV:\nWell, I must be back in New York and I have got a 5:30 plane to catch\nbecause I have to be back.\nH:\nNick Katzenbach, Dean Acheson, Cabot Lodge and of course,\nLemnitzer are some of those who will be coming in. Dean Rusk is\ngoing into the hospital and can't make it.\nV:\nThat's too bad.\nH:\nSomething about getting tidied up. Hold on a minute, Henry's here\nand he wants to speak with you.\nK:\nHello, Cy. While you are at it, you should make a brief statement\nendorsing our Vietnam policy. It's not necessary to do it at the same\ntime, you can do it later.\nV:\n(laughter) Sorry I was in that damn meeting, I had to get something\nour of the way.\nK:\nSeriously though, Cy, whatever divides us on Vietnam, on foreign\npolicy\nWithout hearings and without debate this yould\nbe a national calamity. We wanted to get a group together to talk\nabout it.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPage 2\nGen Haig & Mr. Kissinger/Cy Vance\n7:15 p.m., May 12, 1971\nV:\nRight.\nK:\nIf you felt able to come, the President would be extremely pleased.\nV:\nThe problem is I have a houseful of people coming at 8:00 tomorrow\nnight including the UN and I am on a 5:30 plane coming back. I could\ncome back on the 6:00 plane but withe the weather being bad, I don't\nknow how devil I'll make it. I will be with the Democrats in this meeting\nin the morning -- Hubert Humphrey, Ed Muskie.\nK:\nIf you could talk to some of the Presidential candidates -- - -\nV:\nI will talk to Ed and Hubert in the morning.\nK:\nWhy don't you come in at 4:30 anyway. If you want to make the 5:30\nplane, we will have a care waiting to take you.\nV:\nFine, I'll do that.\nK:\nGood, Cy. Thank you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMr. Kissinger/Dean Acheson\n7:25 p.m., May 12, 1971\nK:\nI talked to the President about your idea, he thinks its superb.\nHe also asked me to tell you that since you think he has trouble\nwith pronouns, you might consider drafting a sentence or two which\nyou might think appropriate.\nA:\nI should do so. Should I bring it with me tomorrow?\nK:\nIf you could phone it in in the morning, we might be able to solicit\nsome of them on the phone.\nA:\nYou want me to give it to you first thing in the morning.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger\nAmbassador Dobrynin\n5/12/71; 7:30 p.m.\nD: I would like to tell you a few things. First, I am leaving for New York on\nFriday and will be back late on Sunday. I am just telling you this if you feel\nyou could do it tomorrow. If not, let's do it on Monday.\nK: I am on the way to see the President now. I had an earlier talk with him\nand I am getting these documents translated into better English and then if\nyour view is correct\nD: Oh, come on. Come on. It is correct.\nK: I cannot make my own judgment on the Russian. Anatol, you are much\nmore devious than I. If it is possible to translate your letter to be consistent\nwith your release, I think we can solve most of the problem.\nD: I could make another suggestion but it is only on my own. Maybe put it\nthis way one letter to say I am honored to confirm we have reached an\nagreement and then a supplement to this particular letter and instead of saying\none government, we would say both governments.\nK: Rights.\nD: Or maybe just a letter saying I would like to confirm we agreed about\nfollowing instructions which we will both give our determination and then\nquote and unquote but instead of one government both governments then it will\nbe just a confirmation on reached agreement and nothing else.\nK: Let me see. That is a variation. The easiest thing would be if your letter\ncould be put into better English and then we look at it and I am now on the way\nto see the President and I may call you in the morning to tell you what his\ninitial reaction is.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger\nMr. Haldeman\n5/12/71; 8:20 p.m.\nK: Our pal gave in on all disputed points.\nH: He did! You are kidding!\nK: There is only one minor issue. It may force one more go-around.\nChances are nine out of ten that we can make an announcement next\nThursday.\nH: Boy, that would be great. You don't know whether he is going to have\nanother go-around?\nK: All most certain not. The issue is whether it is possible to translate\nthe Russian text the way he said it can be. They already agreed to a press\nannouncement. The only other point is to see whether the text of the letter\nalso has the same formulation as the text of the press announcement. If\nthat's the same then we have no problem at all. We can handle it in two\nways -- get another formula out of them which would take two weeks or\nto make the press announcement in other words we got exactly what we\nwanted.\nH: That was a worthwhile afternoon. How long did you spend with him?\nK: About one and one-half hours.\nH: What is his mood?\nK: After I let him have it yesterday he is abject now. He says I am the\ntoughest guy he has had to deal with here.\nH: Good! That's exactly what he ought to be thinking. That's really great\nif we could actually tie it together.\nK: The thing, Bob, you have to prevent is to oversell this thing. This is\nonly an agreement to negotiate. If we lock ourselves into\nthen\nthey will screw us in actual negotiations. That's something we will discuss\nnext week. Let's wrap it up first.\nH: The tendency is to go all out on it.\nK: That's right and you have to help me resist it. We have not gone wrong\nby playing it cool. The beauty of it is that no one will look at it for four weeks.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger\nMr. Haldeman\n5/12/71; 8:20 p.m.\n- 2 -\nH: Smith doesn't go back to Vienna?\nK: Just to wind it up. For four weeks that can't attack us -- it would be\njust suicide.\nH: Smith would not make the announcement?\nK: The President would make the announcement.\nH: Does he know we are going to do it?\nK: No. The Russians have offered him one-half of what they offered us\nand he was just panting to take it.\nH: How is he going to deal with his friend on it? I don't see how it is all\nthat big of a problem but it worries him.\nK: It is a crucial situation where the President has to worry about achieving\nan arms proposal by putting up proposals which his bureaucracy said was\nimpossible.\nH: But we can't make high of it because we have to wait for the negotiations.\nK: We already got more than what most people thought we could get -- an\nagreement to negotiate.\nH: Did you get into any announcement on the Summit?\nK: No, but I have Berlin cooking in such a way that I am\nH' But he didn't raise the Summit at all -- your plan now is to lay low until\nhe says something?\nK: Right. He will come back. Our judgment has proven very accurate now\non what they do.\nH: Who knows, maybe we will start a sequence going now. Win one on the\nSST -- if we can win one on the Mansfield amendment -- pick up a few others\nalong the way.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger\nMr. Haldeman\n5/12/71; 8:20 p.m.\n- 3 -\nK: Right.\nH: You still think you will hear on your other thing next week?\nK: The one on Pakistan -- Oh, no! It will be at least two more weeks.\nIt could come fast but I\nH: What about the other one?\nK: The 8th?\nH: You set the date for the 16th.\nK: You mean the trip?\nH: The other thing.\nK: Oh, no, they turned it off.\nH: We have enough things to keep them convinced.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger\nSenator Javits\n5/12/71; 8:55 p.m.\nJ: I called you because I am to go off to Japan on Saturday.\nK: I understand you gave a great speech today.\nJ: I will miss the vote on Wednesday and I wondering how much weight you\nplaced on it.\nK: We think it is crucial. We are determined to win.\nJ: You won't want an alternative?\nK: That's right.\nJ: Okay, Henry, let me figure out my situation and I will see what can be\ndone. You are going after them to knock them down?\nK: That's right. You could put a lot of money in the bank -- not with me,\nyou don't need it with me.\nJ: Let me see what I can do.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMr. Kissinger/Mike Wallace\n9:20 p. m., May 12, 1971\nW:\nI am calling about - I called Dan Henkin about something and he\nsaid it was too big for me to handle and so suggest you get started\nhigher up and I said how far up and he said all the way so I went all\nthe way up. I think it would be of interest to get Mel Laird to sit\ndown with the SS-9s and other pictures taken and say this is what we\nthink and\nK:\nLet me consider it. That's worth considering but I have to discuss\nit with the President and Central Intelligence.\nW:\nWe could say here is what one of these photographs look like, this is\nwhat a U-2 looks like, this is what we see in Cuba or whatever.\nK:\nI get what you are driving at. Let me raise it with the President\nand Helms.\nW:\nAre you glad to be back in your bailiwick?\nK:\nThey didn't take my whole job away.\nW:\nDid you get any rest?\nK:\nI got a good rest.\nW:\nI just spent another 2 days with Lyndon Johnson. It's like spending\n3 months in Coney Island.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMr. Kissinger/Governor Rockefeller\n9:24 p. m., May 12, 1971\nK:\nI am sorry I was in a meeting and tied up. I also called your\nbrother, David, but maybe this isn't anything you can get engaged\nin.\nR:\nDid you get David?\nK:\nI did. Mike Mansfield has not introduced a Resolution in the Senate\nasking for a cut in our NATO forces in half.\nR:\nYou are kidding.\nK:\nThat is, of course, going to wreck the basis on our foreign policy.\nI have taken the position and I have gotten the President to go along\nwith it; we will not compromise now at all, we will not pull anything\nout of Europe at all. We are lining up an almost unanimous support\nwho have had in foreign policy bi-partisan people coming down\ntomorrow and we are going to get statements from every Secretary\nof Defense and State and the Under Secretaries over all the years\nagainst this and one reason I call ed you is to see if there is anything\nyou could do to join.\nR:\nWell, I was an Assistant Secretary for President Eisenhower.\n[Interrupted briefly]\nR:\nWhat I am delighted to do is make some statement on this that you\ncould use along with everything saying I was a former Special\nAssistant to the President.\nK:\nAny statement you might consider on your own or any influence\nwith the newspapers -- the New York Times. What we are going\nto do tomorrow is have a 2-3 sentence statement from the President\non the importance of NATO and then follow with statements from all\nthe NATO commanders, chiefs of staff and so forth. 98% are going\nto sign this saying they support the President.\nR:\nWhy don't you have someone in your office give me a draft?\nK:\nI haven't got it yet, we are working on it. We have to show the\nAmerican leadership group are together on this. We can't bug\nout of this.\nR:\nHow did Mansfield get himself in this?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPage 2\nMr. Kissinger/Governor Rockefeller\n9:24 p. m., May 12, 1971\nK:\nHe has always been for this.\nR:\n[Who is with him? ]\nK:\nJackson is, Humphrey is. Muskie has changed his mind twice so\nwe don't know where he stands.\nR:\nI have no problem with this particularly with the way it's being done.\nI would have done it anyway. Who in the Times is the best guy?\nK:\nProbably Johnny Oaks.\nR:\nMy relationship with him is not the best, anyone else there?\nK:\nAnyone you know there.\nR:\nGeorge Woods is on the Board and he understands this stuff.\nK:\nThis goes to the very heart of the world, I can understand how people\nfeel on\nVietnam and I think that is\nwrong but what the Administration is --\nR:\nWhat is Mike trying to do?\nK:\nHe added it on to the draft bill.\nR:\nAn extension of the draft.\nK:\nCan't even go to the committee.\nR:\nAnd have its full hearings and so forth.\nK:\nNot really partisan. George Ball is coming down tomorrow to work\nover the Democrats. Lucius Clay has been calling all over the place.\nYour brother has sent telegrams to 12 Senators.\nR:\nWhat about Javits?\nK:\nHe has been wavering but when I told him there would be no compromise,\nhe came with us.\nR:\nBuckley in this at all?\nK:\nBehind us all the way.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMr. Kissinger/Joseph Alsop\n9:45 p. m., May 12, 1971\nK:\nSorry I have been so hard to get; you were with Ehrlichman today.\nA:\nAh, yes, I had an interesting talk too. There is a thing on my mind\nI think I should probably talk to you about before I go on to it on\nFriday afternoon. Any chance of catching you sometime or other?\nK:\nOh, good, God. Oh, good, gosh.\nA:\nPartly because I have\non the Hill.\nK:\nLet me try but I am completely harassed at this point.\nA:\nWhat's the trouble?\nK:\nSpending a lot of time defeating that Mansfield's Resolution.\nA:\nThis would have something to do with it.\nK:\nI will do my best.\nA:\nThis won't come through before Monday, will it?\nK:\nYeah, but we have to get things lined up this week.\nA:\nAnd I think it might have more to do with causing doubts about that --\nah, ah, then what you are doing but ah, ah, --\nK:\nWell, let me call you tomorrow, Joe.\nA:\nWe can tie it down.\nK:\nI can not possibly fix a time now because I am already overscheduled.\nA:\nWhen we could do it is Friday.\nK:\nI will do my best Friday.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMacGeorge Bundy\n5/13/71 11:50a.m.\nB: You have a lot of friends on your fight, but they have got to get\na signal. That goes for the press and the people on the whole. You can't\nfight something with nothing. They need to know what the something it.\nK: You think they want a solution, a compromise?\nB: They want something the White House is backing. No one thinks\nit is safe to go after Mansfield without an alternative. They also say\nMike doesn't mean to press this to the heart. He has said that to a guy\nI trust.\nK: The President is not inclined to accept any compromises that\ncommit him to withdrawing troops as a national policy. We are making\nand have made extensive reviews of the NATO policy. We haven't com-\nmitted ourselves to any sepcific levels, but we don't want to commit\nourselves to withdrawing either.\nB: The brethern up there -- Republicans and Democrats alike --\nwho hold to a European policy in essence think there must be some way of\nstating the sense of the Senate in a way that is also the sense of the White\nHouse.\nK: No question about that.\npoint is in light of what Europe can do and in light of others in Western\nB: What you said yesterday, perhaps numbers aren't the point. The\nhasn't Europe. I can't write the language. But there is a sense that the quarterback\ncalled the signals.\nwe must\nK: rectify If that that. is the case -- and since you tell me it is I assume it is --\nB: The guy I got it from is Mathias, but I've also gotten it from news-\npaper people.\nK: Let me call Mathias immediately and see where we can go from there.\nB: And he's got Bowie helping him. So you see he is not reaching out\nfor crazy people. He is not sure he's got people behind him as staunch as\nhe is.\nK: I'll call him and find out what signal he would find helpful. The\nimpression here is that we'll start with Mathias\nwe don't want to commit\nourselves to\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMacGeorge Bundy\n5/13/71 11:50 a. m.\npage 2\nB: Might say\nin addition, the Administration remains concerned abo\nthe balance of effort in Europe. Not put it on a basis of not committing ourselves\nto withdrawing because we got another battalion out of the Germans\nSome-\nthing like that.\nK: If they say not setting American force levels we should take into\naccount the efforts of our allies. If we could have them put it that way.\nB: If Bowie is there working with Bob you have got a real ally.\nK: Well, he's got some complexes about me.\nB: That's right; I remembers that, but this is bigger than that.\nK: Of course it is.\nB: I guess the best way is from you to Mathias and from him to\nBowie. I haven't gotten a lead on Muskie and Humphrey.\nK: Cy Vance told me he'd speak to both today.\nB: That's good, and George is going to speak to Hamphrey today.\nThey have a language problem; but you'll find that out from Cy if he\ncalls you back. George Ball and Cy are the best. Mathias has a\nstrategic parliamentary position -- he has one chance to rewrite it and\nhe would like to as soon as he knows what the signal is.\nK: I'll be in touch with him ka almost immediately.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Rogers\n5/13/71 1:15 p.m.\nK: I'm sorry I didn't get back to you earlier; I cahled but you had left.\nR: Oh that's okay. I talked to Al. We ought to get someone from\nTreasury helping us.\nK: I've already arranged it. If there's any trouble I'll take care of it.\nR: Good. Have there been any developments?\nK: No, I talked to Governor Rockefeller yesterday. He promised\nto make a statement today or tomorrow. And to call Senators.\nR: Good. I saw Mansfield and Stennis, had a good conversation with\nStennis, and he brought in Benson. I talked to Bible and Griffin and I'm\nmeeting with a group in Scott's office at 3:00 today. I think Mansfield is\na little embarrassed. X I said to him \"I don't understand it; you are usually\nso careful and deliberate.' I daid I'm getting telegrams and calls from\ncapitals all over the world. He said \"I don't know if it will pass and if it\ndoes pass in the Senate it won't in the House. 11 He did it half-way to give\nvisibility to the problem.\nK: I called Vance last night. He will be at the meeting. He will\nhave talked to Muskie and Humphrey today. And Katzenbach and Ball\nwon't leave till the vote.\nR: I don't know how much weight he carries.\nK: He carries some with the older Democrats. Another thing is to get\nthe Presidential statement in support of NATO, a very brief one which then\nall former Secretaries of State, Under Secretaries of State and cabinet members\nwill say they agree with. It will be an imposing list.\nR: The President is going to do the talking?\nK: Yes, but I am sure he will call on you.\nR: I don't think we will have to go into much detail with them.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nBob Bowie/Kissinger\nafternoon\n5/13/71\nK: I heard from Mac that you are hear working with Mathias on the NATO THING\nB: No, I am hear for a meeting of the ODC. I stopped in to see him.\nK: I assume we are working the same side of the street.\nB: I am trying tokeep the troops there.\nK: We will make no compromise on the Mansfield resolution. People are\nlooking for a formulation that we will accept -- fewer troops withdrawn and\n??? -- but we will accept none. Making no changes except in conclusion\nwith Europeans or mutual force reductions with the Russians but we don't\nthink we should negotiate with the European who want us to remove troops.\nB: What he showed me didn't seem harmful.\nK: Onee we agree to any formulation we have to go with a resolution so\nwe have said no compromise accept a general endorsement of a resolution.\nB: I thought that was his resolution. There's an enourmous impatience with the\nWH. The mood is very bad. I would suggest looking at the Mansfield --\nK: Mathias¹?\nB: He was quoting others. I would acquàint myself with Mathias' and see if I\ncould live with it. It didn't look harmful at all in practical terms. Perhaps\nif I were making policy I would see if differently.\nK: Except we are getting impatient with people doing things that are not\nharmful and want to\nthem when they say they are not harmful.\nB: I only got into it because way bakc Mathias consulted me. I don't want to\nget into the middle.\nK: I won't mention you. I have a call into him. You won't get involved. I\nwant your judgment.\nB: If I could get Mathias thing and head off Mansfield I would consider I was in\ngood shape. Mathias endorses the decision to keep forces there. The only\npossible thing on itx which there's any conceivable objection was the last line on\nfull consultation with Congress. If that's not read as a resolution there's no\nproblem.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nBowie/Kissinger\nafternoon\n5/13/71\n-3-\nK: I had it heae. Here we are. While you are on the phone I would like to\nre-new my suggestion in the letter if you wouldn't want to stop by sometime.\nB: I will keep it in mind.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified."
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