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Mr. Kissinger
Senator Humphrey
5/17/71; 9:00 p.m.
K: I am calling you about the Mathias amendment which somebody told me you
were thinking of co-sponsoring and I wanted to tell you why we think that isn't
really in the national interest right now that it pass.
H: Have you read it carefully, Henry?
K: Yes. Let me tell you what my concern is. I would tell you this if you asked
me as an old friend
negotiations
and to reduce US forces in accordance
with such consultation
and President shall report to
the particular
consequence of this is to make reductions of our forces in Europe is almost an
end in itself and one of the major problems we have with Europe is to give them
a sense of stability and continuity. That six month reporting to Congress
H: I don't think it requires that in all honesty it doesn't require progress
just that Congress be informed. I addressed myself to this matter out here.
K: Are you on the West Coast now?
H: Yes. I don't see this as a mandatory report of progress in the sense that
you have to have reductions -- that you negotiate with your partners in the hope
to get them.
K: If the Congress gets that
you can report once or twice or three times
that there has not been progress but you are under a moral obligation to produce
something. We think for the first time in a long while we have the Europeans
realizing that our forces are not symbolic. Secondly, we have this hopeful
beginning of mutual force reduction and if we can conduct them like SALT we
will be doing progress. So, I think that this time is just about the worse time
for this sort of Congressional action.
H: I think the Mansfield resolution was not right. I said SO in powerful words.
I said that I was dismayed amendment does not provide for consultation by
allies and I said the resolution would not be in the best interest of the U.S. and
I will vote against it. But Cooper, Mathias and Javits and others are concerned
that we may run into stormy weather. The last part, President shall report to
the Congress on September 15, 1971 is subject to alteration. I don't feel firmness
of date you can put from time to time. It just appears to me that the President
reports on everything including Mothers Day -- it doesn't mean he comes
to
Congress. Somebody State or your office as tells us.
K: You know that anybody would be ridiculous to say forces there are frozen in
concrete. If we raise in European minds that conventional forces are being cut
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