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TELCON
Henry Hubbard
7:35 p.m., June 17, 1971 -- page 2
K:
Lloyd Shearer drove him down.
H:
He said he took me along and I told him I had two
wanted to describe to him the McNamara study and
.
K:
That just isn't - Well, I will listen to him. I think he is a brilliant
guy. Actually, I did see him but we had very little time. His point
was not all deceiving the Government but he said that eventually we
would reach a point where we would escalate or collapse.
H:
Escalation or collapse.
K:
Would be confronted with defeat or escalation, that is what I remember
his point was.
H:
He went on to say, I had been a consultant to Henry from December
1968 to
1969 (while I was with RAND) and he asked me to
do an option study on the Vietnam War.
K:
Oh, God -- I asked about 7 people from RAND to write out for me
in preparation for a meeting -- Oh, excuse me, the President is
calling me - 00 I will call you right back.
7:45 p. m.
Continued Conversation
H:
You were talking about the 7 people from RAND.
K:
They came down -- I didn't have access to the Government and
files (?) then. The options we had before us -- made them write
out the military options, the consequences of success, the
consequences of failure and what it would
.
Wanted it for
a NSC meeting after the inauguration for a point of departure.
I had him in for a Dovish point of view.
H:
Who were some of the other people? Anyone we should know about?
K:
Shelling from Harvard.
H:
Oh, Shelling.
K:
Freddy Clay, RAND, General Goodpastor, and I asked hi m to
participate in the options study.
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