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Gerard Smith/Kissinger
3:15 pm 6/21/71
K:
Hello
S:
Henry, several weeks ago we spoke of the possibility of having
something to pass to the other side before the start of
It seems the prospect of that is no longer, right?
K:
Right. Oh, Jesus, I slipped on something. Dobrynin mentioned
to me last week what we thought of it. If you and S
could
work it out, we were for it. He said to me last week that there
wasn't much prospect from their side.
S:
You mentioned that to me. I was just wondering if out of cour-
teousness, I should pass a message to S
saying it is not
going to work.
K:
I
don't think that is necessary. He might think it is a sort of
one-upmanship.
S:
OK, if you think there will be no misunderstanding, that is fine.
K:
Let me raise it with Dobrynin if I see him.
S:
If it was a personal call.
K:
I see nothing wrong if you refer to the conversation you had with
me.
S:
Well, I like your first reaction better which is to say nothing.
K:
Yes.
S:
Now, one other point - the question of the form of a possible
offensive agreement structure which I see as one of the most
troublesome things here. Maybe someone like Scoop Jackson
would have some good advice. On the other hand, if the Senate
Foreign Relations people thought one was taking counsel with
Jackson, they would be miffed.
K:
What are our choices?
S:
Going to Fulbright and saying there is a problem here about form
and we would like to get his thoughts in advance.
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