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Ziegler/Kissinger
6/21/71 - 9:45 am
Z:
So I could say that he did not, well, he did, contribute to our
strategy then, didn't he?
K:
Well, he contributed to the development of an options paper.
Z:
Well, he claims in Time that you accepted all his recommendations.
Did you?
K:
They were options, only options. I had said that every option was
put before us and the President. It doesn't look bad.
Z:
How many were there?
K:
About 8 or 9.
Z:
Who were they?
K:
Professor Schelling , General Goodpaster, Rowan, Ellsberg.
That's all I remember now.
Z:
OK, no problem.
K:
OK, will you straighten that out.
Z:
We will make your announcement today. You met with the President
yesterday, didn't you?
K:
Yes.
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Ambassador Rabin
6/21/71 10:00 a.m.
R: I enjoyed myself very much on the West Coast.
K: Good.
R: I am instructed about three days ago while on the West Coast to
tell you something about a certain visit of a Russian to Israel.
K: Right.
R: I was instructed to tell it only for your information and when
you have the time.
K: I will set it up today or tomorrow.
R: All right. It was not an official, but a representative that
travels unofficially, but he says he represents the officialdom of the
Soviet Union and he came with certain points.
K: Right.
R: And whenever it will be possible to you I'll give you the details
of what he said. Otherwise I don't see much development.
K: Good. Did you see the people on the West Coast?
R: Yes, I talked to them. I think that was fine.
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Mardian/Kissinger
10:13 a.m.
6/21/71
K: I understand you have a problem only I can help with.
M: I don; t know if you can. I am keeping tabs on what's happening in NY and
Washington. We have been in court since 8:00. The argument we are making
is that Congress has authorized the President to classify documents and there's
a proceddure of declsssification and the Post has violated this order. They have
not sought declassification as required in statue and put themselves above
Legislative and Executive Brances and claiming immunity in Executive Branch.
The court then inquired when it would be done and I authorized my deputy to
in view of declassifications the govt was making a review of the
documents and they will attempt to declassify any documents that could be.
K: That's not true. We are making a general study which we started before
this. We cannot accept proposition that we will declassify by leakage of document
M: That coul;d bring the public disclosure act to force is to make a
pushed on declassification of documents. He is treating case xxx if they commence
it for this purpose. I think our chances are 20%.
K: It's not x factually true we are making a review.
M: If not then Doolin testified in NY that he made 3 studies of documents in
response to Laird's and Fulbright.
K: OK. Then what's the question.
M: He has asked us to prepare a proposed order. He wants to make an order
in which he in effect says unless we review the documents going back to '45
in light of Executive Order 10501 and make an offer to the court within a specified
time
K: All documents in this series?
M: In litigation. All the documents relating to VN history.
K: Where do they cut off history?
M: Embodied in this report on source material. I wanted to advise you of the
That we would
situation we are in and what we can make in the order. xixtxexyx sax to undertake
an exhaustive review and within 90 days state which could, if any could be
declassified.
K: How much time do I have to react?
M: The 2 lawyers just got back here. K: I want to check with security officers.
I will call in the hour.
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Ambassador Bunker
6/21/71 10:25 a.m.
K: Whare are you?
B: In Vermont. I'm coming down this afternoon.
K: We are going to get Haldeman to call Rogers today and tell him
that the President talked to you about this. He is going to imply that it
was over the weekend and that it was your judgment that we can turn off
the visit provided I get sent there. I just want to make sure we both have
the same story.
B: That's fine.
K: I think it's better if we trigger it here. If you take it up with
him and he disagrees then we have a fight. This way we are judt ordering
it.
B: You are going to say the President talked to me.
K: Right and that you feel this is the minimum we could do.
B: To send you there.
K: Yes.
B: And that we can do it in a low-key way and in the same time frame.
K: Right.
B: Will I see you before I go back?
K: I hope so.
B: I am going back on Wednesday.
K: Then we'll definitely do it tomorrow. Backuse I am going to London
to do that other exercise on Wednesday.
B: Okay.
K: Good Wllsworth, I'll see you tomorrow.
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The President
6/21/71 10:35 a. m.
P: Is your morale a little better today?
K: I don't know why you think it is bad Mr. President.
P: Well you're bound to be depressed to have these bastards raise
these questions. But on the other hand as you said last night there is some-
thing to be said for having to turn hard on the Russians. Also there's a lot
to be said for going the other way, and there's an awful lot to be said for
what we are doing with the Chinese. It's got to be done some time, so
why not us?
K: I simply stated what I thought the impact would be, but I am not
discouraged.
P: You have got to remember this is a battle. When we smoked
everybody out on Laos and that time with the demonstration
it's the
same thing. From the standpoint of enemies now at home, we have really
got them smoked out now. Even Ted and the whole bunch.
K: Exactly. The Times is taking a few slaps at us, but primarily
it's at the previous Administration. It takes slaps at us on holding back
on the right to know.
P: Did they say anything about our problems on keeping security?
K: No, I have just skimmed them, but didn't see much about that.
P: But you know, the impact around the country on this is not as
big as it seems. You would think from reading the New York Times and
the Washington that it's the biggest story in the world. But it doesn't
have the emotional impact of the Calley story.
K: I think we can still turn it to an advantage over a period of weeks.
P: We may well be able to. But whether or not we are able to do
that, we know that it is going to go away. You know that because, due to
the fact that after you water it all down, what is it, an old story. They
have been saying for a long time that Johnson lied and it's an immoral
war. They' try to make a hero out of the guy that did it though we
can't allow that. It's like they tried to make a hero out of Hiss.
K: It's exactly the same phenemenon.
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The President
6/21/71 10:35 a.m. p. 2
P: I pointed out then, look at the facts after the confrontation I had
and after Hiss finally admitted he had done it. I was talking to a reporter,
.
He was emotional about it he said he still thought this
investigation was wrong because it casted doubt on the Roosevelt foreign
policy. From that time on I knew people in Washington have a different
morality. I said to him 'you can't mean that. I And he said 'yes sir. I
His point was that Hiss had been at the UN and at Yalta, and he was right,
and it did cast doubt. When you really smoke them out, they want to
prove the war is wrong and they want to destroy us. On the first, you
can't fight them but on the second you wan.
K: They've thrown down the gauntlet
P: And in a way that's a good thing.
K: And when we have told them that we are going through a delicate
process. It's unforgiveable, what they are doing to the country,
P: What they are trying to do -- they haven't done it yet. Well
Henry we'll have an all-out offensive. We'll get you out saying a few things.
We'll start using the bakkground thing, not just in Britain but here.
And I'll do it too. If they think Agnew was hard on them wait till the
President starts.
K: Exactly. And the press isn't all that popular right now. If we
just give it a little time
don't object to giving documents to Congress,
but we must do it with great care. There are going to be lots of documents
going to newspapers.
P: Once they have been published I'd give them to them.
K: I'd do it but with a bleeding heart and a reluctant attitude.
P: Be sure you get that view to Ehrlichman.
K: I have. Of course McGregor is the other way.
P: Of course he has to fight that battle. You've gotta say this, he
has done a job on those votes Henry. Even better than Bryce did. What
he does is he says the President has something going, don't know what
but something. He brokers that something terrific.
K: No, he's terrific.
P: And Scali's the same on the other side.
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The President
6/21/71 10:35 a.m. p. 3
K: Well, next week some of our cards are going to fall and we will
know what we are holding. We can play it the other way then.
P: Well, it's too bad you had to come down with all these problems,
but you are all right now?
K: Mr. President, I am fine, and we got a lot of very good work
done down there.
P: Henry for the next couple of weeks skip the parties, get some
rest. I wouldn't try to fight the battle with the press guys; I don't think
this is the week to do it. Did Stewart Alsop write his article?
K: I don't know; I haven't seen Newsweek yet.
P: I wouldn't start hitting the press until later.
K: That's right. I think we should wait till the court case subsides
a little.
P: Right, and then we've got only one amentment this week.
K: Cooke-Stevens tomorrow.
P: How does McGregor fell?
Can we win it?
K: He thinks it is close but we can win.
P: And then we should be through.
K: Well, I think their strategy is to throw something in every other day.
P: What a bunch of bastards.
K: They really are. It's a clear Congressional determination
P: You get back from Paris when?
K: About 6:00 on Sunday I guess.
P: I think what you want to do then
is probably go to bed. That's
what you want to do. But on Monday morning
I'm going to be in
Camp David then.
K: I could come up there.
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Secretary Laird
6/21/71 11:06 a. m.
L: Dave and I are just sitting here and I got this message kind of
gabbled. I haven't had a chance to talk to Mitchell.
K: His man Mardian called me and said we have about one chance
in five. Doolin seems to have testified that we are reviewing these
documents
L: These documents are always under review for declassification.
K: They think there is one chance in five for Cassell to continue
the restraining order pending a ninety-day period while the government
reviews these documents.
L: Most of them could be declassified.
K: We don't have to say that, just that we are willing to accept
that order. I don't see what we lose if the alternative is publication.
L: The thing that will influence the judge the most is the compro-
mise on how we got/the infermation. Most of this doesn't hurt us but some
things in there do. One in five isn't very good, but it's the best we can get.
K: That's what Mardian seems to think.
L: If this issue goes to the judge and we lose, we lose a lot as far
as classification is concerned throughout the government, for the future.
If we lose this case it's bad. But I think that that is not a bad way. We
have a regular redlassifying provess over here. If they can get that 90-
day thing
K: And it would be out of the news for 90 days.
L: Yes and
There are an awful lot of copies of this thing around.
These aren't the volumes we have over here; these are the working papers
this guy walked away with. The language is sometimes different and the dates
are different.
K: He is
He claims I accepted all the recommendations
he made to me.
L: He really goes for you. You attract all the nuts. Okay, I think this
i£ fine. I'll talk to Mitchell about it.
K: Marvelous.
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Secretary Laird
6/21/71 10:35 a.m. p. 2
L: We ought to go over the Times papers though. They have got
stuff in the Times papers that are not in the MaNamara reports.
K: Let me talk to Mardian.
L: That's fine and I have got a call in to John. I got
the
judge offered this. That's the best deal you could get.
K: Right.
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Mardian/Kissinge
11:11 m.
6/21/71
K: I have talked with Laird and State is X consulting it up and down but I think and
so does Laird that you should go ahead with this.
M: It was Laird's man and Adm. Bluen of the Joint Chiefs that made the
representation to
.
K: NYTimes too?
M: I don't have an immediate problem with the Times case. But you might want
to know that the judges in NY decided to keep in a restraining order against the
Times until the
court
at 3:00 tomorrow. That takes the heat off here.
So we are breathing.
K: What do you think the fellow here will do?
M: NOthing that will permit the Washington Post to print that will mute it for the
circuit court. He is anti-Administration and against Defense particularly but
I don't think he is that wild.
K: That Does that cover this area?
M: No, it's a separate court of appeals.
K: That's a wild bunch.
M: The Second Circuit is the most responsible we have. Responsible and the best
lawyers in any circuit.
K: The best group you could get.
M: Not in better hands. At least there we have a square shake. Anything you can
do to encourage Defense to
these documents with the purpose of better
showing of clear and present danger would be helpful. Best they could in time
frame.
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Secretary Laird/Mr. Kissinger
11:15 - 6/21/71
HAK:
Hello. I just talked to Mardian and told him what we had
discussed. Their case has been referred to the Second Circuit
Court. Any investigation you have should continue today at the
Pentagon.
Laird:
The NSA document is the strongest one we have. I just wanted
to make sure you understand some of the Johnson papers have
been declassified. I sent three men down there to declassify
them for President Johnson. He wanted certain ones declassified,
so we sent them down. The only ones we declassified were the
ones that Johnson wanted. I wanted to remind you of this, that
the three people were sent down there on the specific instructions
of the President of the United States. This will be a problem if
it
gets out.
HAK:
I vaguely remember. That's right he called me in San Clemente.
He was kidding me about
Laird
(laughed)
HAK:
What are you guys going to do when you don't have me to laugh at.
Laird:
Now Henry you know better.
HAK:
I know - no problem.
Laird:
This declassification was done for Johnson's book he was writing.
HAK:
OK.
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Haldeman/Kissinger'
11:18 a. m.
6/21/71
K: I think you have to get to Rogers today.
H: I can't do it now. I will have to call when I get back from the Union meeting.
About an hour and a half.
K: OK but it must be done today.
H: OK.
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Flanigan/Kissinger
11:30 a. m.
6/21/71
K: Re the dinner for the chowder and marching society. I am meeting with
them at 5:00. Must I come to dinner too?
F: Not mandatory.
K: I am going to England the next day and rather not come to dinner.
F: Never let me interfere with your social life and I hope you have fun there
and all your dinners are gay.
K: That's dangerous in England.
F: Well, (jolly) then. Delighted you can come at 5:00.
K: Can I answer questions? Or make a speech?
F: Along the lines of the other business groups. 20 mins of gendral discussion.
These people should get your views on why the Times thing is wrong and bad
and a brief (shnopsis) of what's happening in VN and a couple of items on
the rest of the world.
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Doty/Kissinger
12:20 p.m. 6/21/71
D: Busy burning your papers?
K: It's an amazing period.
D: How are things going? All through the meetings with the panel?
K: We are still meeting but we are coming out okay.
D: One thing we let slip when we talked with you is that option 3 doesn't do the
harm we thought it would do.
K: What option 3?
D: Option 3 that we acquiesced and since it involves implacement it doesn't.
K: Yes.
D: The main reason I am calling is that back in March I contacted Millionshekov
about a meeting and he said okay. Nothing heard further but a cable arrived
this morning which said glad to receive Aug. 5-22 for a 3 day meeting in Moscow.
K: What is the date?
D: Aug. 5-22. How does that sit with you?
K: It has no problems now.
D: We are going to give ourselves to Vienna anyway. Will Helsinki be over?
K: Not by the 5th.
D: Maybe I could make it later part.
K: I would.
D: Amongst 7 people and I took Kaysen or Shulman have you any feelings?
K: Take both.
D: And Drell or Panovsky.
K: Good idea.
D: And R
is the only outsidee. It seems reasonable to take someone on
the outside.
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12:20 p.m.
6/21/71
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K: No problem with me on that.
D: We will go ahead. I am staying away from Weisner who is going to England
in July and Kistakowsky going to Moscow in July for the Dartmouth conference.
K: I think the latter part is best.
D: Good. I gather things are on for the 16th in Calif. We will work up radar
briefing and test ban. And catch up on other things. Anything pressing?
K: I am very interested in the test ban.
D: We will do those things and find out where things stand before then.
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Gen. Goodpastor/Kissinger
1:55 p.m.
6/21/71
G: I am back until tomorrow mid-afternoon and I wonder if I could see you
sometime tomorrow?
K: I will make it such. Whom should we call?
G: Pentagon 78068.
K: We will call you.
G: I will kepp the day clear until I hear from you.
K: It will probably be around noon.
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Ejrlichman/Kissinger
1:56 p.m.
6/21/71
E: The President thinks well of the idea providing we write the statement for
U.S. attorney to speak to the second circuit. Thinks the January NSSM should
be
by
.
K: OK. What about the British.
E: I didn't ask him. I think you should go ahead. I couldn't reach Mitchell but
I don't think it will hurt.
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Cromer/Kissinger
2:01 p.m.
2/21/71
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K: I talked with my aseociates about that conversation and they think it would
be helpful if you could say something with the full understanding that you
explored the desirability and not that you will do it.
C: I better come back with some suggested wording.
K: You should never offer to do a kindness for bureaucrats because they ask
more. It would be helpful at the meeting but expecially if it could be done
tomorrow.
London
C: I will call xxxxxxx right away. I would like to check the working with you.
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Irwin/Kissinger
2:15 p.m. 6/21/71
K:
Hello
I:
Hello, Henry.
K:
Yes, John.
I:
You remember some weeks ago we talked briefly on the phone
about weather modification. This is coming up now again in
the working group with the Under Secretaries Committee and
they are coming down to a couple of versions. One, supported
by the Department of Defense, State and the National Science
Foundation which states the support of the principal of peaceful
uses with certain qualifying explanations and, the other one
supported by ACTA and the National Atmospheric Association
which is a renunciation, a little more definitive. I gather you
have had a Colonel Behr attending all of these, but apparently
the last one he wasn't there.
K:
No, he is no longer with me.
I:
I just think that you should check it from your point of view
because this is coming up. I think it is important that you all
know what the problems may be.
and
K:
Well, whichever youin Defense support, we do, too.
I:
I asked how far up it was supported in Defense, but they weren't
sure. They thought it was a JCS.
K:
Yes.
I:
I hear you're off to London. It's a good city to visit.
K:
Yes, I love it. My schedule is pretty full though.
I:
Fine, Henry. Good. It's nice to talk to you.
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Mr. Ehrlichman
6/21/71 2:30 p.m.
K: The British are going to see what they can do about making a
statement tomorroe and checking it with me.
E: Good. The President was just on three times in the last ten
minutes. What he'd like is to describe the declassification process to a
few bipartisan leaders informally next week rather than with a formal
statement.
K: That's excellent.
E: Not Fulbright or Stennis, but Mansfield and few of those. He
says how about mentioning declassification on World War II and Korean
War papers.
K: He can say as part of the declassification procedure this is
one thing we are now looking urgently into. But the reason why we have
been so sticky is that the NSC papers include all the covert operations.
E: Who gets disillusioned in that? Everybody?
K: World War II doesn't bother me, but we ought to keep in mind
the difference between getting out of trouble this week and
E: Yeah, too many babies getting thrown out of the sleigh.
K: In fact I don't think we are in that much trouble. If you look at
Time and Newsweek we are doing famously.
E: That's what I am trying to tell him.
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Ron Ziegler
6/21/71 2:40p.m.
Z: Let me tell you what I told them about you. I announced that
you are going to London to visit Sir Burke Trend for an operational
discussion
is that right?
K: Whatever the guidance was.
Z: I also denied that you had ever discussed with Ellsburg the
document.
K: Correct.
Z: Said that you were aware that there was a study in the Pentagon, but
were not aware that it was ever completed.
K: Nor did we have one in the White House.
Z: Right. Had Ellsberg contributed to the formulation of foreign
policy at the White House was a question asked. I said that he was one of
the ones you invited to the Pierre
K: Just to do a paper on options.
Z: Yes, but it was incorrect that he contributed to policy beyond that.
K: That's correct.
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Gerard Smith/Kissinger
3:15 pm 6/21/71
K:
Hello
S:
Henry, several weeks ago we spoke of the possibility of having
something to pass to the other side before the start of
It seems the prospect of that is no longer, right?
K:
Right. Oh, Jesus, I slipped on something. Dobrynin mentioned
to me last week what we thought of it. If: you and S
could
work it out, we were for it. He said to me last week that there
wasn't much prospect from their side.
S:
You mentioned that to me. I was just wondering if out of cour-
teousness, I should pass a message to S
saying it is not
going to work.
K:
I don't think that is necessary. He might think it is a sort of
one-upmanship.
S:
OK, if you think there will be no misunderstanding, that is fine.
K:
Let me raise it with Dobrynin if I see him.
S:
If it was a personal call.
K:
I see nothing wrong if you refer to the conversation you had with
me.
S:
Well, I like your first reaction better which is to say nothing.
K:
Yes.
S:
Now, one other point - the question of the form of a possible
offensive agreement structure which I see as one of the most
troublesome things here. Maybe someone like Scoop Jackson
would have some good advice. On the other hand, if the Senate
Foreign Relations people thought one was taking counsel with
Jackson, they would be miffed.
K:
What are our choices?
S:
Going to Fulbright and saying there is a problem here about form
and we would like to get his thoughts in advance.
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K:
What if he says we insist on a treaty?
S:
That's the risk.
K:
My general philosophy is never to ask for an answer you know
you can't live with.
S:
His juridical sense would say that, but his political sense is
something else.
K:
Yes.
S:
I don't think he or anyone else would fight you to get a treaty
on the offensive side.
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Mr. Haldeman/Mr. Kissinger
3:25 - 6/21/71
HAK:
Hello Bob. I just wanted to check with you in view that
I am leaving Wednesday for London. Am I safe enough
triffering the trip now. I won't give Rogers anything that
I have a special mission with Yahya. He will think I want
to get into the refugee problem and that I am taking away
from him some big public relations scope from him. He
dosen't want me to get any credit for it.
RH:
Why are you going out there?
HAK:
I have to. Also it will take the heat off the Vietnam issue.
RH:
I agree.
*
HAK:
I think we should just outline it and blame it on me. I am
obstinate. I will call the embassies tomorrow and get it
formally triggered off. OK.
RH:
Yes, fine go ahead.
HAK:
OK thanks.
*
RH:
But why aren't you going to say Bangkok and Indonesia?
HAK:
I was in Bangkok a couple of years ago and am going there
now. Why should I go to Indonesia?
RH:
Yes, that's right.
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TELECON
Mr. Ehrlichman
6/21/71 3:45 p.m.
K: I was putting in a call to Henry Hubbard in order to yell at him
about publishing the Ellsberg interview knowing what Ellsberg said isn't true.
E: What was that?
K: That he had spoken to me urging me to read it and me saying I
wouldn't. At any rate, I couldn't reach him because he is separated from
his wife and has gone into hiding. I talked to Elfin. He said that he knew
I had called Hubbard and he knew this was only half the story and that
next week they will tell the other half. They have found the man who
xeroxed the papers for a thousand dollars.
E: Oh! Thank you.
K: No for Christ's sake protect me.
E: Sure, I'll call Mardian and tell him we have a tip.
About two minutes later:
E: The FBI has had that guy for five days, and another beside. It
was actually done in two places, so you can sleep well.
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TELECON
Amb. Johnson/Kissinger
4:17 p.m. 6/21/71
K:
Hello.
J:
Henry, in the absence of a meeting this afternoon I have been
talking to Jim
.
You haven't talked to Jim Schlesinger
and Karamessines about the financing work, have you?
Query: Is there any chance that the President would be willing
to make a call to Ellender?
K:
Well, that is what I am going to move heaven and earth to do.
I will do that tomorrow.
J:
I was talking to Haldeman and he didn't think he would want to
make a call.
K:
That is always his reaction.
J:
This is a subject, though, that has a lot of interest. In conclusion
of all this, this USIA role is a very bad alternative. If there is
any possibility, a call from the President could induce Ellender
to go along with the resolution road, this would have by far the
most advantage.
K:
Well, nothing can be done -- well, I don't know why he couldn't
do it tomorrow.
J:
The date we are up against is the 24th when the USIA bill goes
on the floor.
K:
Well, I will move heaven and earth, believe me. I am very
interested in this.
J:
Well, I know he is too, and if he is not willing to make the call
then we have got to proceed very fast on the USIA road ourselves
K:
A call from him which first arranges a continuing resolution.
J:
Yes, the argument being that the RFA and RL are all ready over
and a continuing resolution just enables it to go on. But, if he
can't persuade him on that, try to get a commitment from Ellender
saying he would permit going ahead on the USIA bill.
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K:
If it is possible. Let us wait until I can talk to him.
J:
Well, I am glad to know you don't feel the door is closed.
K:
No, I am assuming that I can get him to make the call tomorrow.
J:
All right.
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TELECON
Gerard Smith/Kissinger
4:40 p.m. 6/21/71
K:
Hello.
S:
Henry, with the time schedule that I see coming up we are going
to be in a jam if we are still planning to table a draft treaty on
opening day and I am wondering if we could possibly get to you
a draft which had sort of alternative language.
K:
Sure, I think that would be very helpful.
S:
Then if at some point you could issue that and ask for agency
comments.
K:
Well, let me see it and I will do my best. That is a constructive
approach.
S:
We are going to have a
do about the North Atlantic
Congress if we are to table a draft treaty.
K:
As Carl C
used to say in the Kennedy Administration, "Be
tough with your friends, it's too hard to be tough with your
enemies. 11
S:
Carl was quite a man. We will try to get you something before
the end of this week. Do you have any feel as to when we might
have a meeting with the President on this?
K:
Next week Tuesday or Wednesday.
S:
You think it is a sensible thing for us to table a draft treaty?
K:
Don't you?
S:
Yes, I think psychologically it would be very helpful.
K:
I'll be talking to you.
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Telecon
Mr. Kissinger
Robert McNamara
6/21/71; 6:40 p.m.
M: I thought it was the New York Times calling -- I don't get calls from
anyone except the New York Times.
K: I am putting my documents together
M: Ellsberg said he was going to be your
K: He thought I had accepted his scheme verbatim and he attacks me
anyway! I am calling you about Reuters dispatch -- it says World Bank
which convened a meeting issued a statement no indication of future aid to
Pakistan was given
until settlement of conflict on E/W Pakistan is
in sight. That was not my understanding of our talk the other day.
M: I think what was said is they could not do anything until XXXX Yahya
Khan makes his announcement of political program for the East.
K: Is my understanding correct that you thought something could be done
to keep
until October.
M: I think something could be done to keep him in that position until the
first of September I think something could be done to keep him in power,
Henry. I am not sure that something could be done to get money out there.
What is happening, I am told, is his reserves have been rising and that
it looks as though he could struggle for another 60-90 (?) days. All we
have to do is avoid saying "no.' " I don't know exactly what action can be
taken. It will depend on what he says in ten days. I know exactly what
your problem is.
K: Anything you could do will be greatly appreciated.
(Our?)
M: Your requirement is that he remain in power.
K: And to show some interest. I understand now what you were saying
the other day at least avoid the negative.
M: Maintaining him in power.
K: Exactly !
M: Whatever is necessary would be done. I am not shit entirely clear at
the moment what it is.
K: Maybe we can talk about it personally soon.
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Telecon
Mr Kissinger
Robert McNamara
6/21/71; 6:40 p.m.
M: I have to be in New York tomorrow afternoon -- after that I will be in
a better position to talk to you. I will call you on Wednesday.
K: I will be in London on Wednesday.
M: Call me when you get back.
K: If you can avoid anything in the way of public statements.
M: Right.
K: I will call you next week.
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I'm coming down this afternoon.\nK: We are going to get Haldeman to call Rogers today and tell him\nthat the President talked to you about this. He is going to imply that it\nwas over the weekend and that it was your judgment that we can turn off\nthe visit provided I get sent there. I just want to make sure we both have\nthe same story.\nB: That's fine.\nK: I think it's better if we trigger it here. If you take it up with\nhim and he disagrees then we have a fight. This way we are judt ordering\nit.\nB: You are going to say the President talked to me.\nK: Right and that you feel this is the minimum we could do.\nB: To send you there.\nK: Yes.\nB: And that we can do it in a low-key way and in the same time frame.\nK: Right.\nB: Will I see you before I go back?\nK: I hope so.\nB: I am going back on Wednesday.\nK: Then we'll definitely do it tomorrow. 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When we smoked\neverybody out on Laos and that time with the demonstration\nit's the\nsame thing. From the standpoint of enemies now at home, we have really\ngot them smoked out now. Even Ted and the whole bunch.\nK: Exactly. The Times is taking a few slaps at us, but primarily\nit's at the previous Administration. It takes slaps at us on holding back\non the right to know.\nP: Did they say anything about our problems on keeping security?\nK: No, I have just skimmed them, but didn't see much about that.\nP: But you know, the impact around the country on this is not as\nbig as it seems. You would think from reading the New York Times and\nthe Washington that it's the biggest story in the world. But it doesn't\nhave the emotional impact of the Calley story.\nK: I think we can still turn it to an advantage over a period of weeks.\nP: We may well be able to. But whether or not we are able to do\nthat, we know that it is going to go away. You know that because, due to\nthe fact that after you water it all down, what is it, an old story. They\nhave been saying for a long time that Johnson lied and it's an immoral\nwar. They' try to make a hero out of the guy that did it though we\ncan't allow that. It's like they tried to make a hero out of Hiss.\nK: It's exactly the same phenemenon.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nThe President\n6/21/71 10:35 a.m. p. 2\nP: I pointed out then, look at the facts after the confrontation I had\nand after Hiss finally admitted he had done it. I was talking to a reporter,\n.\nHe was emotional about it he said he still thought this\ninvestigation was wrong because it casted doubt on the Roosevelt foreign\npolicy. From that time on I knew people in Washington have a different\nmorality. I said to him 'you can't mean that. I And he said 'yes sir. I\nHis point was that Hiss had been at the UN and at Yalta, and he was right,\nand it did cast doubt. When you really smoke them out, they want to\nprove the war is wrong and they want to destroy us. On the first, you\ncan't fight them but on the second you wan.\nK: They've thrown down the gauntlet\nP: And in a way that's a good thing.\nK: And when we have told them that we are going through a delicate\nprocess. It's unforgiveable, what they are doing to the country,\nP: What they are trying to do -- they haven't done it yet. Well\nHenry we'll have an all-out offensive. We'll get you out saying a few things.\nWe'll start using the bakkground thing, not just in Britain but here.\nAnd I'll do it too. If they think Agnew was hard on them wait till the\nPresident starts.\nK: Exactly. And the press isn't all that popular right now. If we\njust give it a little time\ndon't object to giving documents to Congress,\nbut we must do it with great care. There are going to be lots of documents\ngoing to newspapers.\nP: Once they have been published I'd give them to them.\nK: I'd do it but with a bleeding heart and a reluctant attitude.\nP: Be sure you get that view to Ehrlichman.\nK: I have. Of course McGregor is the other way.\nP: Of course he has to fight that battle. You've gotta say this, he\nhas done a job on those votes Henry. Even better than Bryce did. What\nhe does is he says the President has something going, don't know what\nbut something. He brokers that something terrific.\nK: No, he's terrific.\nP: And Scali's the same on the other side.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nThe President\n6/21/71 10:35 a.m. p. 3\nK: Well, next week some of our cards are going to fall and we will\nknow what we are holding. We can play it the other way then.\nP: Well, it's too bad you had to come down with all these problems,\nbut you are all right now?\nK: Mr. President, I am fine, and we got a lot of very good work\ndone down there.\nP: Henry for the next couple of weeks skip the parties, get some\nrest. I wouldn't try to fight the battle with the press guys; I don't think\nthis is the week to do it. Did Stewart Alsop write his article?\nK: I don't know; I haven't seen Newsweek yet.\nP: I wouldn't start hitting the press until later.\nK: That's right. I think we should wait till the court case subsides\na little.\nP: Right, and then we've got only one amentment this week.\nK: Cooke-Stevens tomorrow.\nP: How does McGregor fell?\nCan we win it?\nK: He thinks it is close but we can win.\nP: And then we should be through.\nK: Well, I think their strategy is to throw something in every other day.\nP: What a bunch of bastards.\nK: They really are. It's a clear Congressional determination\nP: You get back from Paris when?\nK: About 6:00 on Sunday I guess.\nP: I think what you want to do then\nis probably go to bed. That's\nwhat you want to do. But on Monday morning\nI'm going to be in\nCamp David then.\nK: I could come up there.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Laird\n6/21/71 11:06 a. m.\nL: Dave and I are just sitting here and I got this message kind of\ngabbled. I haven't had a chance to talk to Mitchell.\nK: His man Mardian called me and said we have about one chance\nin five. Doolin seems to have testified that we are reviewing these\ndocuments\nL: These documents are always under review for declassification.\nK: They think there is one chance in five for Cassell to continue\nthe restraining order pending a ninety-day period while the government\nreviews these documents.\nL: Most of them could be declassified.\nK: We don't have to say that, just that we are willing to accept\nthat order. I don't see what we lose if the alternative is publication.\nL: The thing that will influence the judge the most is the compro-\nmise on how we got/the infermation. Most of this doesn't hurt us but some\nthings in there do. One in five isn't very good, but it's the best we can get.\nK: That's what Mardian seems to think.\nL: If this issue goes to the judge and we lose, we lose a lot as far\nas classification is concerned throughout the government, for the future.\nIf we lose this case it's bad. But I think that that is not a bad way. We\nhave a regular redlassifying provess over here. If they can get that 90-\nday thing\nK: And it would be out of the news for 90 days.\nL: Yes and\nThere are an awful lot of copies of this thing around.\nThese aren't the volumes we have over here; these are the working papers\nthis guy walked away with. The language is sometimes different and the dates\nare different.\nK: He is\nHe claims I accepted all the recommendations\nhe made to me.\nL: He really goes for you. You attract all the nuts. Okay, I think this\ni£ fine. I'll talk to Mitchell about it.\nK: Marvelous.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Laird\n6/21/71 10:35 a.m. p. 2\nL: We ought to go over the Times papers though. They have got\nstuff in the Times papers that are not in the MaNamara reports.\nK: Let me talk to Mardian.\nL: That's fine and I have got a call in to John. I got\nthe\njudge offered this. That's the best deal you could get.\nK: Right.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMardian/Kissinge\n11:11 m.\n6/21/71\nK: I have talked with Laird and State is X consulting it up and down but I think and\nso does Laird that you should go ahead with this.\nM: It was Laird's man and Adm. Bluen of the Joint Chiefs that made the\nrepresentation to\n.\nK: NYTimes too?\nM: I don't have an immediate problem with the Times case. But you might want\nto know that the judges in NY decided to keep in a restraining order against the\nTimes until the\ncourt\nat 3:00 tomorrow. That takes the heat off here.\nSo we are breathing.\nK: What do you think the fellow here will do?\nM: NOthing that will permit the Washington Post to print that will mute it for the\ncircuit court. He is anti-Administration and against Defense particularly but\nI don't think he is that wild.\nK: That Does that cover this area?\nM: No, it's a separate court of appeals.\nK: That's a wild bunch.\nM: The Second Circuit is the most responsible we have. Responsible and the best\nlawyers in any circuit.\nK: The best group you could get.\nM: Not in better hands. At least there we have a square shake. Anything you can\ndo to encourage Defense to\nthese documents with the purpose of better\nshowing of clear and present danger would be helpful. Best they could in time\nframe.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nSecretary Laird/Mr. Kissinger\n11:15 - 6/21/71\nHAK:\nHello. I just talked to Mardian and told him what we had\ndiscussed. Their case has been referred to the Second Circuit\nCourt. Any investigation you have should continue today at the\nPentagon.\nLaird:\nThe NSA document is the strongest one we have. I just wanted\nto make sure you understand some of the Johnson papers have\nbeen declassified. I sent three men down there to declassify\nthem for President Johnson. He wanted certain ones declassified,\nso we sent them down. The only ones we declassified were the\nones that Johnson wanted. I wanted to remind you of this, that\nthe three people were sent down there on the specific instructions\nof the President of the United States. This will be a problem if\nit\ngets out.\nHAK:\nI vaguely remember. That's right he called me in San Clemente.\nHe was kidding me about\nLaird\n(laughed)\nHAK:\nWhat are you guys going to do when you don't have me to laugh at.\nLaird:\nNow Henry you know better.\nHAK:\nI know - no problem.\nLaird:\nThis declassification was done for Johnson's book he was writing.\nHAK:\nOK.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nHaldeman/Kissinger'\n11:18 a. m.\n6/21/71\nK: I think you have to get to Rogers today.\nH: I can't do it now. I will have to call when I get back from the Union meeting.\nAbout an hour and a half.\nK: OK but it must be done today.\nH: OK.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nFlanigan/Kissinger\n11:30 a. m.\n6/21/71\nK: Re the dinner for the chowder and marching society. I am meeting with\nthem at 5:00. Must I come to dinner too?\nF: Not mandatory.\nK: I am going to England the next day and rather not come to dinner.\nF: Never let me interfere with your social life and I hope you have fun there\nand all your dinners are gay.\nK: That's dangerous in England.\nF: Well, (jolly) then. Delighted you can come at 5:00.\nK: Can I answer questions? Or make a speech?\nF: Along the lines of the other business groups. 20 mins of gendral discussion.\nThese people should get your views on why the Times thing is wrong and bad\nand a brief (shnopsis) of what's happening in VN and a couple of items on\nthe rest of the world.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nDoty/Kissinger\n12:20 p.m. 6/21/71\nD: Busy burning your papers?\nK: It's an amazing period.\nD: How are things going? All through the meetings with the panel?\nK: We are still meeting but we are coming out okay.\nD: One thing we let slip when we talked with you is that option 3 doesn't do the\nharm we thought it would do.\nK: What option 3?\nD: Option 3 that we acquiesced and since it involves implacement it doesn't.\nK: Yes.\nD: The main reason I am calling is that back in March I contacted Millionshekov\nabout a meeting and he said okay. Nothing heard further but a cable arrived\nthis morning which said glad to receive Aug. 5-22 for a 3 day meeting in Moscow.\nK: What is the date?\nD: Aug. 5-22. How does that sit with you?\nK: It has no problems now.\nD: We are going to give ourselves to Vienna anyway. Will Helsinki be over?\nK: Not by the 5th.\nD: Maybe I could make it later part.\nK: I would.\nD: Amongst 7 people and I took Kaysen or Shulman have you any feelings?\nK: Take both.\nD: And Drell or Panovsky.\nK: Good idea.\nD: And R\nis the only outsidee. It seems reasonable to take someone on\nthe outside.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nDoty/Kissinger\n12:20 p.m.\n6/21/71\n-2-\nK: No problem with me on that.\nD: We will go ahead. I am staying away from Weisner who is going to England\nin July and Kistakowsky going to Moscow in July for the Dartmouth conference.\nK: I think the latter part is best.\nD: Good. I gather things are on for the 16th in Calif. We will work up radar\nbriefing and test ban. And catch up on other things. Anything pressing?\nK: I am very interested in the test ban.\nD: We will do those things and find out where things stand before then.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nGen. Goodpastor/Kissinger\n1:55 p.m.\n6/21/71\nG: I am back until tomorrow mid-afternoon and I wonder if I could see you\nsometime tomorrow?\nK: I will make it such. Whom should we call?\nG: Pentagon 78068.\nK: We will call you.\nG: I will kepp the day clear until I hear from you.\nK: It will probably be around noon.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nEjrlichman/Kissinger\n1:56 p.m.\n6/21/71\nE: The President thinks well of the idea providing we write the statement for\nU.S. attorney to speak to the second circuit. Thinks the January NSSM should\nbe\nby\n.\nK: OK. What about the British.\nE: I didn't ask him. I think you should go ahead. I couldn't reach Mitchell but\nI don't think it will hurt.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nCromer/Kissinger\n2:01 p.m.\n2/21/71\n[6.21.71I\nK: I talked with my aseociates about that conversation and they think it would\nbe helpful if you could say something with the full understanding that you\nexplored the desirability and not that you will do it.\nC: I better come back with some suggested wording.\nK: You should never offer to do a kindness for bureaucrats because they ask\nmore. It would be helpful at the meeting but expecially if it could be done\ntomorrow.\nLondon\nC: I will call xxxxxxx right away. I would like to check the working with you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nIrwin/Kissinger\n2:15 p.m. 6/21/71\nK:\nHello\nI:\nHello, Henry.\nK:\nYes, John.\nI:\nYou remember some weeks ago we talked briefly on the phone\nabout weather modification. This is coming up now again in\nthe working group with the Under Secretaries Committee and\nthey are coming down to a couple of versions. One, supported\nby the Department of Defense, State and the National Science\nFoundation which states the support of the principal of peaceful\nuses with certain qualifying explanations and, the other one\nsupported by ACTA and the National Atmospheric Association\nwhich is a renunciation, a little more definitive. I gather you\nhave had a Colonel Behr attending all of these, but apparently\nthe last one he wasn't there.\nK:\nNo, he is no longer with me.\nI:\nI just think that you should check it from your point of view\nbecause this is coming up. I think it is important that you all\nknow what the problems may be.\nand\nK:\nWell, whichever youin Defense support, we do, too.\nI:\nI asked how far up it was supported in Defense, but they weren't\nsure. They thought it was a JCS.\nK:\nYes.\nI:\nI hear you're off to London. It's a good city to visit.\nK:\nYes, I love it. My schedule is pretty full though.\nI:\nFine, Henry. Good. It's nice to talk to you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Ehrlichman\n6/21/71 2:30 p.m.\nK: The British are going to see what they can do about making a\nstatement tomorroe and checking it with me.\nE: Good. The President was just on three times in the last ten\nminutes. What he'd like is to describe the declassification process to a\nfew bipartisan leaders informally next week rather than with a formal\nstatement.\nK: That's excellent.\nE: Not Fulbright or Stennis, but Mansfield and few of those. He\nsays how about mentioning declassification on World War II and Korean\nWar papers.\nK: He can say as part of the declassification procedure this is\none thing we are now looking urgently into. But the reason why we have\nbeen so sticky is that the NSC papers include all the covert operations.\nE: Who gets disillusioned in that? Everybody?\nK: World War II doesn't bother me, but we ought to keep in mind\nthe difference between getting out of trouble this week and\nE: Yeah, too many babies getting thrown out of the sleigh.\nK: In fact I don't think we are in that much trouble. If you look at\nTime and Newsweek we are doing famously.\nE: That's what I am trying to tell him.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nRon Ziegler\n6/21/71 2:40p.m.\nZ: Let me tell you what I told them about you. I announced that\nyou are going to London to visit Sir Burke Trend for an operational\ndiscussion\nis that right?\nK: Whatever the guidance was.\nZ: I also denied that you had ever discussed with Ellsburg the\ndocument.\nK: Correct.\nZ: Said that you were aware that there was a study in the Pentagon, but\nwere not aware that it was ever completed.\nK: Nor did we have one in the White House.\nZ: Right. Had Ellsberg contributed to the formulation of foreign\npolicy at the White House was a question asked. I said that he was one of\nthe ones you invited to the Pierre\nK: Just to do a paper on options.\nZ: Yes, but it was incorrect that he contributed to policy beyond that.\nK: That's correct.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGerard Smith/Kissinger\n3:15 pm 6/21/71\nK:\nHello\nS:\nHenry, several weeks ago we spoke of the possibility of having\nsomething to pass to the other side before the start of\nIt seems the prospect of that is no longer, right?\nK:\nRight. Oh, Jesus, I slipped on something. Dobrynin mentioned\nto me last week what we thought of it. If: you and S\ncould\nwork it out, we were for it. He said to me last week that there\nwasn't much prospect from their side.\nS:\nYou mentioned that to me. I was just wondering if out of cour-\nteousness, I should pass a message to S\nsaying it is not\ngoing to work.\nK:\nI don't think that is necessary. He might think it is a sort of\none-upmanship.\nS:\nOK, if you think there will be no misunderstanding, that is fine.\nK:\nLet me raise it with Dobrynin if I see him.\nS:\nIf it was a personal call.\nK:\nI see nothing wrong if you refer to the conversation you had with\nme.\nS:\nWell, I like your first reaction better which is to say nothing.\nK:\nYes.\nS:\nNow, one other point - the question of the form of a possible\noffensive agreement structure which I see as one of the most\ntroublesome things here. Maybe someone like Scoop Jackson\nwould have some good advice. On the other hand, if the Senate\nForeign Relations people thought one was taking counsel with\nJackson, they would be miffed.\nK:\nWhat are our choices?\nS:\nGoing to Fulbright and saying there is a problem here about form\nand we would like to get his thoughts in advance.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n- 2 -\nK:\nWhat if he says we insist on a treaty?\nS:\nThat's the risk.\nK:\nMy general philosophy is never to ask for an answer you know\nyou can't live with.\nS:\nHis juridical sense would say that, but his political sense is\nsomething else.\nK:\nYes.\nS:\nI don't think he or anyone else would fight you to get a treaty\non the offensive side.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nMr. Haldeman/Mr. Kissinger\n3:25 - 6/21/71\nHAK:\nHello Bob. I just wanted to check with you in view that\nI am leaving Wednesday for London. Am I safe enough\ntriffering the trip now. I won't give Rogers anything that\nI have a special mission with Yahya. He will think I want\nto get into the refugee problem and that I am taking away\nfrom him some big public relations scope from him. He\ndosen't want me to get any credit for it.\nRH:\nWhy are you going out there?\nHAK:\nI have to. Also it will take the heat off the Vietnam issue.\nRH:\nI agree.\n*\nHAK:\nI think we should just outline it and blame it on me. I am\nobstinate. I will call the embassies tomorrow and get it\nformally triggered off. OK.\nRH:\nYes, fine go ahead.\nHAK:\nOK thanks.\n*\nRH:\nBut why aren't you going to say Bangkok and Indonesia?\nHAK:\nI was in Bangkok a couple of years ago and am going there\nnow. Why should I go to Indonesia?\nRH:\nYes, that's right.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Ehrlichman\n6/21/71 3:45 p.m.\nK: I was putting in a call to Henry Hubbard in order to yell at him\nabout publishing the Ellsberg interview knowing what Ellsberg said isn't true.\nE: What was that?\nK: That he had spoken to me urging me to read it and me saying I\nwouldn't. At any rate, I couldn't reach him because he is separated from\nhis wife and has gone into hiding. I talked to Elfin. He said that he knew\nI had called Hubbard and he knew this was only half the story and that\nnext week they will tell the other half. They have found the man who\nxeroxed the papers for a thousand dollars.\nE: Oh! Thank you.\nK: No for Christ's sake protect me.\nE: Sure, I'll call Mardian and tell him we have a tip.\nAbout two minutes later:\nE: The FBI has had that guy for five days, and another beside. It\nwas actually done in two places, so you can sleep well.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmb. Johnson/Kissinger\n4:17 p.m. 6/21/71\nK:\nHello.\nJ:\nHenry, in the absence of a meeting this afternoon I have been\ntalking to Jim\n.\nYou haven't talked to Jim Schlesinger\nand Karamessines about the financing work, have you?\nQuery: Is there any chance that the President would be willing\nto make a call to Ellender?\nK:\nWell, that is what I am going to move heaven and earth to do.\nI will do that tomorrow.\nJ:\nI was talking to Haldeman and he didn't think he would want to\nmake a call.\nK:\nThat is always his reaction.\nJ:\nThis is a subject, though, that has a lot of interest. In conclusion\nof all this, this USIA role is a very bad alternative. If there is\nany possibility, a call from the President could induce Ellender\nto go along with the resolution road, this would have by far the\nmost advantage.\nK:\nWell, nothing can be done -- well, I don't know why he couldn't\ndo it tomorrow.\nJ:\nThe date we are up against is the 24th when the USIA bill goes\non the floor.\nK:\nWell, I will move heaven and earth, believe me. I am very\ninterested in this.\nJ:\nWell, I know he is too, and if he is not willing to make the call\nthen we have got to proceed very fast on the USIA road ourselves\nK:\nA call from him which first arranges a continuing resolution.\nJ:\nYes, the argument being that the RFA and RL are all ready over\nand a continuing resolution just enables it to go on. But, if he\ncan't persuade him on that, try to get a commitment from Ellender\nsaying he would permit going ahead on the USIA bill.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n- 2 -\nK:\nIf it is possible. Let us wait until I can talk to him.\nJ:\nWell, I am glad to know you don't feel the door is closed.\nK:\nNo, I am assuming that I can get him to make the call tomorrow.\nJ:\nAll right.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGerard Smith/Kissinger\n4:40 p.m. 6/21/71\nK:\nHello.\nS:\nHenry, with the time schedule that I see coming up we are going\nto be in a jam if we are still planning to table a draft treaty on\nopening day and I am wondering if we could possibly get to you\na draft which had sort of alternative language.\nK:\nSure, I think that would be very helpful.\nS:\nThen if at some point you could issue that and ask for agency\ncomments.\nK:\nWell, let me see it and I will do my best. That is a constructive\napproach.\nS:\nWe are going to have a\ndo about the North Atlantic\nCongress if we are to table a draft treaty.\nK:\nAs Carl C\nused to say in the Kennedy Administration, \"Be\ntough with your friends, it's too hard to be tough with your\nenemies. 11\nS:\nCarl was quite a man. We will try to get you something before\nthe end of this week. Do you have any feel as to when we might\nhave a meeting with the President on this?\nK:\nNext week Tuesday or Wednesday.\nS:\nYou think it is a sensible thing for us to table a draft treaty?\nK:\nDon't you?\nS:\nYes, I think psychologically it would be very helpful.\nK:\nI'll be talking to you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger\nRobert McNamara\n6/21/71; 6:40 p.m.\nM: I thought it was the New York Times calling -- I don't get calls from\nanyone except the New York Times.\nK: I am putting my documents together\nM: Ellsberg said he was going to be your\nK: He thought I had accepted his scheme verbatim and he attacks me\nanyway! I am calling you about Reuters dispatch -- it says World Bank\nwhich convened a meeting issued a statement no indication of future aid to\nPakistan was given\nuntil settlement of conflict on E/W Pakistan is\nin sight. That was not my understanding of our talk the other day.\nM: I think what was said is they could not do anything until XXXX Yahya\nKhan makes his announcement of political program for the East.\nK: Is my understanding correct that you thought something could be done\nto keep\nuntil October.\nM: I think something could be done to keep him in that position until the\nfirst of September I think something could be done to keep him in power,\nHenry. I am not sure that something could be done to get money out there.\nWhat is happening, I am told, is his reserves have been rising and that\nit looks as though he could struggle for another 60-90 (?) days. All we\nhave to do is avoid saying \"no.' \" I don't know exactly what action can be\ntaken. It will depend on what he says in ten days. I know exactly what\nyour problem is.\nK: Anything you could do will be greatly appreciated.\n(Our?)\nM: Your requirement is that he remain in power.\nK: And to show some interest. I understand now what you were saying\nthe other day at least avoid the negative.\nM: Maintaining him in power.\nK: Exactly !\nM: Whatever is necessary would be done. I am not shit entirely clear at\nthe moment what it is.\nK: Maybe we can talk about it personally soon.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr Kissinger\nRobert McNamara\n6/21/71; 6:40 p.m.\nM: I have to be in New York tomorrow afternoon -- after that I will be in\na better position to talk to you. I will call you on Wednesday.\nK: I will be in London on Wednesday.\nM: Call me when you get back.\nK: If you can avoid anything in the way of public statements.\nM: Right.\nK: I will call you next week.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified."
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