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Sen. Packwood/Kissinger
12:23 p.m.
6/22/71
K : I always call when there are difficult things coming up SO
you can be sure it's close and critical. I try not to call except
when I feel strongly myself. I am calling about and of the war
amendments. Our view and my view is that anyxxxxpperson can
come up with an amendment. Then someone can say itxx it means
a great deal. We don't need urging. Our overwhelming concern is
the impact on Hanoi and it's a most delicate period. Right now for
reasons I cannot go into, it will be extremely damaging. I
understand that a lot of things have been said on VN and in light
of things published in recent weeks it's n-t a good time to ask for
abstract confidence but our last chance will be destroyed if these
are adopted. We will be able to back this up when our records
are stolen! I am not a good lobbyist.
P :
I don't knowx how I will vote today. I voted for the
Childs and if I don't vote today for this I don't see how I can
explain the difference.
K: I will undermine my credibility by saying I don't recall it.
P : Pull out by June l.
K:
You are
but the only way to rationalize it is to say
it's been a vote and infinite variations and one can keep voting
and they will give the administration a few months.
P : There will be an amendment adopted which the administration
won't like or the variations will be defeated and Congress will
go
on to something else.
K : It's a question of judgment on how you do things that need
to be done. It's a case of my absolute confiction where it can
do a lot of harm. There are a lot of things that one where
serious people will differ. You have two audiences -- Hanoi and
the administration. We don't need it. The second is the impact
on Hanoi right now could not be less fertunate.
P :
Why
K : I believe, while I don't accept Cliffordx where' there's a
gimick for solution, I do believe they are looking at the betting
and the problem of fiuture they will settle for no guarantee of
communist govt. and the only guard we have is our troops there.
If it's knocked out it will go to a bloody conclusion. If they
believe we will have to get out in 9 months, it's it. I don't kno
that it's a certainty that other will work but from a political
point of view we can say if everyone does this bears responsibility
but what XXXX good if we score points against each other?
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