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Secretary Laird/Mr. Kissinger
1:23 p. m. , June 30, 1971
L:
Henry, there is a new development I thought you should be
aware of. Ellsberg delivered to Mathias a whole package of papers.
He didn't open them until Ellsberg went public.
K:
What's in them?
L:
Evidently someone in State passed them on -- there are no
Defense papers, but there are NSC memos from 1969. I think someone
from your staff should go over with our Legal Counsel and go over these
papers. Fred Buzhardt will be getting in touch. I can't prove it, but
it may have been someone in State.
K:
Who?
L:
A fellow named Cook who passed them to Ellsberg. Do you
know him?
K:
Yes, I know him. He worked on Richardson's staff.
L:
Now Richardson has him in HEW. We tentatively kind of finger
this guy, but we have to be careful. No Defense papers are evidently
involved -- but some of your papers and some Rogers exchanges, that
you had with Rogers.
K:
I
never have substantive exchanges with Rogers. I would have
to see them. I might have answered on behalf of the President, but
I have a firm policy not to debate with people.
L:
Yes, but they are NSC papers. Your people should know what
they are.
K:
If he gave them to Mathias, he could have given it to 50 others.
When did he do it?
L:
Several weeks ago. He passed it to Mathias. I will have Fred
Buzhardt call you. He is very knowledgeable. I want him to personally
go over.
K:
I may ask Haig to go.
L:
Fred is our General Counsel here. Also, we have picked up
all of McCloskey's (?) papers by devious means.
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