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Withdrawn and returned non-historical material.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION\nGPO:1989-235-084/00024\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nNA 14021 (4-85)\nDOCUMENT WITHDRAWAL RECORD [NIXON PROJECT]\nDOCUMENT\nDOCUMENT\nNUMBER\nTYPE\nSUBJECT/TITLE OR CORRESPONDENTS\nDATE\nRESTRICTION\nI\nTekon\nHAK and Mcluin Laird (Ip.)\n8/6/71\nB\nMANDATORY REVIEW REQUEST NLNO8-8/12\nFILE GROUP TITLE\nBOX NUMBER\nKissinger Transcripts. Telephone Conversations\n11\nFOLDER TITLE\n1971 2-10 Aug. 1\nRESTRICTION CODES\nA. Release would violate a Federal statute or Agency Policy.\nE. Release would disclose trade secrets or confidential commercial or\nB. National security classified information.\nfinancial information.\nC. Pending or approved claim that release would violate an individual's\nF. Release would disclose investigatory information compiled for law\nrights.\nenforcement purposes.\nD. Release would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of privacy\nG. Withdrawn and return private and personal material.\nor a libel of a living person.\nH. Withdrawn and returned non-historical material.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION\nS.GPO:1989-235-084/00024\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nNA 14021 (4-85)\nDOCUMENT WITHDRAWAL RECORD [NIXON PROJECT]\nDOCUMENT\nDOCUMENT\nNUMBER\nTYPE\nSUBJECT/TITLE OR CORRESPONDENTS\nDATE\nRESTRICTION\n1\nTeleon\nHAK and Mcluin Laird (1p.)\n8/6/71\nB\nFILE GROUP TITLE\nBOX NUMBER\nKissinger Transcripts Telephone Conversations\n11\nFOLDER TITLE\n1971 2-10 Aug. D\nRESTRICTION CODES\nA. Release would violate a Federal statute or Agency Policy.\nE. Release would disclose trade secrets or confidential commercial or\nB. National security classified information.\nfinancial information.\nC. Pending or approved claim that release would violate an individual's\nF. Release would disclose investigatory information compiled for law\nrights.\nenforcement purposes.\nD. Release would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of privacy\nG. Withdrawn and return private and personal material.\nor a libel of a living person.\nH. Withdrawn and returned non-historical material.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION DECLASSIFIED S.GPO;1989-235-084/00024\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nNA 14021 (4-85)\nTELCON\nRogers/Kissinger\n9:00 a.m.\n8/2/71\nR: On the suggested changes you made I added a sentence I think we have to\nfor the purpose of completeness where we talk about \"consultation several\nmonths ago ? ? ? ? ? many nations up to ???? . ? ? ? UN. \"\nK: That's good.\nR: The reason it isn't good by itself the charter says \"final matter the Secuirity\nCouncil will make that decision.\"\n/\nK: Absolutely.\nR: That's what it amounts to. We can't make it appear that we will alter\njurisdiction of the Security Council.\nK: It expands the point. In a cable I notice the Nationalists object to freeze\nof over 15 million people.\nR: We will take that out. Other question. I talked with the President last\nnight and said we would get together.\nK: After your make your statement. 4:30.\nR: I think it would be a good idea for me to call people like Goldwater and Towel\nand tell them what I am going to do and say we coordinated with the GRC.\nK: Excellent.\nR: I could hold it off until tomorrow but if I do it today it will not get the\nattentionand it's probably better.\nK: It's not going to be a X winner.\nR: Talk with Goldwater and Dominick.\nK: I talked with the President yesterday and he thought it was handled beautifuff\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nLucy Jarvis/Mr. Kissinger\n10:10 a. m., August 2, 1971\nJ:\nThis is Lucy Jarvis.\nK:\nHow are you?\nJ:\nI have a cable from Victor. Incidentally, the American\nEmbassy handed a lot of information to the Chicago Tribune and to\nReuters. Because of the publicity, Victor would like to let things\ncool down before he comes over. Would you have any free time\ntomorrow or Wednesday for me to talk to you about this.\nK:\nI doubt it. Maybe later in the week. Call Mr. Hicks and\nlet him fix it up. So he isn't coming this week?\nJ:\nNo, and I would really like to talk to you about it.\nK:\nAll right. Arrange it with my office.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMoorer/Kissinger\n11:15 a. m. 9/2/71\nM: Question here. Getting ready for X DPRC Wed. I know you discussed\nwith Laird at breakfast. We are charging around on a decrement -- future\ncuts.\nK: Is that what Laird said I said?\nM: In order for you to go to President you have to assure him you examined\nadditional cuts below the par.\nK: We have 3 recommendations from the Secy. -- one from every consumer\nranging from 76-83. I was at a budget meeting and ?????. I said we\ncan't do that. Statement from services and see what it comes out as. He\ngave three weeks. Therefore, if you are in a position to come up with a package\nand get thex it costed out we could stick\nwhat you are after. But you\nsend\nwill wank him up the wall if you say one aircraft carrier and so forth. H-will\nsay he wants more then we can afford but if you do it with the ckux budget, it will\ncut it down. My interest is to get your prexpxxx people to do it in terms of\nmission. Best guarantee for national defense budget.\nM: xRhey That clears up points.\nK: What I have found most effective with the President is to say with X carriers\nwe can do this, with Y do that, and so forth.\nM: I understand. We worked up something similar last winter.\nK: That's what will be mosteuseful.\nFurther conversation: 11:20 a.m.\nK: I didn't frankly know what you were talking about until I talked with Haig.\nI never talked about decrement. My thought was opposite. It was to keep\nthe defense budget at what's useful and needed. So the whole thrust of the\nconversation was 180 degress opposite to what you were told. If you put it into\nmissions he will send more than he can pay for. One other thing, Zumwalt\ncalled Haldeman and said he didn't think the Navy's concerns were getting to\nthe President and could hax he see the President and Haldeman said it was\nout of order and had to go through me. That won't work in the WH.\nM: He is bouncing a like a rubber ball. I will P speak to him.\nK: I am not your trouble in this budgetary thing.\nM: Thanks for tell me. I will speak to him.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRogers/ issinger\n11:35 a.m. 8/2/71\nR: The only question I want to ask you. I may be asked if this idea was\nconveyed to Peking. No comment or no?\nK: As you no, it was mentioned to them.\nR: We can say that we didn't consult about this announcement. It's better\nthanno comment.\nK: That's right.\nR: The President has no other thoughts.\nK: He is very pleased. Italked with him this morning. Helooked over the\nstatement and I said we took out one paragraph. You go when?\nR: 12:00. I talked with all the conservative Senators I could think of. t They\nare sad and will oppose but understand.\nK: If we don't take this position they will get kicked out.\nR: I asked Repjblic of China if they wanted our present policy and he said no.\nK: I will call Reagan. That's the only person. I would be glad to give it to you.\nR: Thank you. No.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nGov. Reagan/Kissinger\n1:32 p.m.\n8/2/71\nK: I just wanted to give you a call about a statement Bill Rogers made today\non China representation. The problem we faced was if we kept the same poistion\nas we kept canvasing seats it would have been expulsion of Taiwan and admittance\nof Red China. So we have said a 2/3 on entering of Red China and a majority\nfor expulsion of Taiwan. We checked with Taipei. We offer to continue with\nthe old policy but they were afraid they would be expelled.\nR: What if they are expelled?\nK: We don't think it will be. We will vote against that no matter what bxpxx happens\nWe are going to do some active lobbying and arm twisting against expulsion.\nWe will get a blast from Peking. Some people will think it will hurt the trip.\nR: Some people who support the government think this is soft on China.\nIt won't hurt to be a little publicly hardnosed.\nK: We are playing it hard for VN and other issues.\nR: We saw a very interesting **** person was in Peking yesterday.\nK: I will be on the West Coast the 17th or 18th. I would like to give a briefing\nto you then. Will you be there?\nR: I will be at Trenkana (?) Beach.\nK: Good. I have friends in Malibu.\nR: Fine. Lot more pleasant then in an office and when there's a logical excuse.\nK: Or if you come to San Clemente. We will count on it.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSinatra/Kissinger\n3:07 p.m.\n8/2/71\nS: How's everything in the world?\nK: Hectic but good. How are you?\nS: In great shape. Coming home tomorrow.\nK: Not taking the Annenbergs back?\nS: He is staying longer but I have a business problem in Calif. In NY tomorrow\nnight.\nK: I won't be there unless you can come here.\nS: I will see you out there soon?\nK: On the 18th.\nS: I will fool around Los Angeles until you get there. You had a marvelous trip.\nK: I saw you were in Biarritz?\nS: It's beautiful there.\nK: I have been on the Riveriera but never the other coast.\nS: The Riveira is so crowded but this is better. Sea and swimming pool. It's\nbeautiful.\nK: I wax always wanted to go.\nS: We can go together next summer.\nK: Where in California?\nS: I will be in L.A. I will call you SKCXXXIX from there because they just cla nged\nthe number and I don't know it.\nK: I will be there on the 17th. Hope to see you.\nS: We will go on my boat for awhile. I won't call from NY because you are busy.\nK: If you could come down.\nS: I can't.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nBrandon/Kissinger\n3:30 p.m. 8/2/71\nB: Well, when - --\nK: You are a master negotiator. I said I would let you know Mon. of which\nevening this week. Now I understand it's tonight or tomorrow.\nB: You said tonight or tomorrow.\nK: See how unreliable I am? I am meeting with Fulbright and the Foreign\nRelations committee at his house. It's not for dinner so I could come after that.\nB: He is near us. I had an interview xix with him on Sat. Asked him if he\ncould explain his own change of the view of the world since he was nnce an\nInternationalist and now a new- isolationist. He said things change and doesn't\nwant to be a policeman of the world. He is a decent chap.\nK: Decent I don't know, but engaging. Which do you prefer?\nB: Will it be over before dinner?\nK: You are not cooking Chinese food.\nB: Muffie said she was going to have it.\nK: Send Muffie to interview me. You are a friend but she is very special.\nI highly approve of here. I know that makes your day. If we do it today I will\ngo see Stu Alsop tomorrow. I will be there by 8:30. I can give you a\nidea of the N Jordanian situation.\nB: 8:30. That means 9:00.\nK: No, that won't go on that long.\nB: China?\nK: He wants me to testify. I said I would meet him any place except in a\nSenate room with stenographers. So befinally said the hell with it, let's do it\nat my house and shex I said the hell with it, I will go.\nB: Will you meet with business tycoons?\nK: No, I don't mind a social evening at his house. I don't want ?????\nHowx Who told you about the business tycoons? Mac?\nB: I don't give my sonrces away.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nBrandon/Kissinger\n3:30 p.m. 8/2/71\n-2-\nK: I respect that. But you will tell me what the governor said.\nB: Sure.\nK: I know the source there but I want to find out how discreet he is being.\nB: So long as you don't call him in a hot temperment.\nK: I could afford a tempter with him but not here. He and I had monumental\nbattles. I was very mature then.\nB: He scratched his head to find anything disagreeable.\nK: I could take fits occasionally. Now I do it with my subordinates. I am\nglad you are not giving your sources.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Kissinger/Under Secretary Johnson\n4:05 p. m., August 2, 1971\nK:\nAlex, I don't know whether Haig already told you the President\nagreed to meet Hiro Hito on the 27th.\nJ:\nAl told me Thursday night. That is first class. When should\nwe tell the Japanese?\nK:\nThat's up to you.\nJ:\nI will have to confer on that. I would assume the later the better\nfrom the standpoint of the President.\nK:\nThe worst way would be through a leak.\nJ:\nThat's right. They will be overjoyed at it. But we can't\nexpect them to keep it for more than five minutes.\nK:\nBut he will have to stop more than an hour.\nJ:\nThey will take care of that. I forget the hours.\nK:\nHe is planning to be there at 10:00 in the morning. That\nwouldn't fit too badly into the President's plans. He is going back to\nWashington from there.\nJ:\nHe's going up from San Clemente?\nK:\nYes; it's a three-hour flight time difference. He could leave\nin the morning and still greet him there.\nJ:\nI understood he is thinking in terms of lunch.\nK:\nEither lunch or just to meet for two hours.\nJ:\nIf it's 10:00, it gets to be lunch time.\nK:\nThat is right, actually. We could eat lunch at 11:00.\nJ:\nLunch at 11:00 and send him on his way at 12:30.\nK:\nHe could still go back that day.\nJ:\nThe President could still get back here for the next morning.\nK:\nDo you want to make a proposal to us.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nMr. Kissinger/Under Secretary Johnson\n4:05 p. m., August 2, 1971\n- 2 -\nJ:\nLetme make a proposal to you on it.\nK:\nMarvelous.\nK:\nJ:\nIt's good news. /If we can just keep Kennedy out of there\nK: J:\nHe will cancel it.\nK:\nOkay; bye Alex.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSen. Stennis/Kissinger\n5:55 p.m.\nXX/xx 8/2/71\nS: I sent you some language by Belieu on that matter we discussed the other\nday. I think it's a chance to get that bill past this week. You can't tell. If\nsomething can come through on that it will help.\nK: We will get something out.\nS: If you could make a note to the leaders it will be better.\nK: I will look at the language and if I have something else I will try it on you.\nS: I will be here late tomorrow afternoon and Wed.\nK: I will be in touch. Someone tells me that you think we only want a two\nsite safeguard this year.\nS: You want a 4 site but something in the about slippage of money.\nK: Skxx So long as you understand.\nS: Hold to the 4.\nK: I will call you late tomorrow.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Johnson/Kissinger\n6:10 p.m.\n8/2/71\n(HAK took over conversation from Gen. Haig, in Haig's office; notetaker came\ninto middle of conversation.)\nJ:\nif it didn't work. Because President can't do it when Emperor\nwanted themx then we are\nK: If he gets into Anchorage at 10:40.\nJ: That's when he gets in on this schedule. I can see them adjusting to an\nearly departure.\nK: 9:40.\nJ: But before persuing it with them I wanted to know if 9:40 is in the ball park.\nK: That means the Presedent meets at 111:00 p.m. to 1:00 a. m. Then he\nstarts flying back and it's 7:00 in the morning. None of k us would have a\nbunk and we would be dead.\nJ: I realize that.\nK: We had counted on the morning arrival.\nJ: So had we. That's what we had had from Japan -- 10:00 was mentioned.\nK: He could leave El Toro at 7:30 and get to Washington. It would be a stràin\nbut possible.\nJ: We never examined premise on which it was based.\nK: Late evening from Tokyo. 11:00.\nJ: About 10:00 in the evening. This would mean the whole question of doing the\nshow at Tokho at that hour. They might consider that\nK: I will talk with the President first thing in the morning. I think he will be\nreluctant to spend a day that way. Hwxx He would have to leave San Clemente\nat 6:30 and after that a twelve hour flight and two hour meeting which takes\nplace in the night his time.\nJ: That's why I am clalling.\nK: That's the problem. I counted on leaving in the morning and even though\nhe would loose sleep it would be more generous?? I will let you know by noon.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nJohnson/Kissinger\n6:10 p.m.\n8/2/71\n-2-\nJ: Then alternative -- if this is out of the ball park I can talk about shifting it.\nK: No problem of getting Agnew up there. We will tell him to go.\nJ: Let's persue this.\nK: I will get back to you before noon tomorrow.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nDwight Chapin/Mr. Kissinger\n8:05 p.m., August 3, 1971\nK:\nWhat is this insane meeting about?\nC:\nThe outer office meeting? The President wants to have you and the\nSecretary in the **** outside office at 11:00.\nK:\nFor what purpose?\nC:\nHe may want to check with you prior to whatever activities he has\ntomorrow morning.\nK:\nCan't we grow up? Hello --\nC:\nI am here.\nK:\nGot to call Haldeman.\nC:\nHe is not home yet, he will be in just a few minutes, about 8:30.\nK:\nYou have literally no idea what it is about?\nC:\nThe press conference right ahead of it. He is going to it.\nK:\nThe press conference is in the morning?\nC:\nDoes it make sense now? All the words started getting out that the\npress conference was going to be in the afternoon and the President\nwas livid that a bunch of people he didn't want to have there would\nbe there so he is going to surprise everybody by having it at 11:30\nwith a meeting between Rogers and you at 11:00 as a cover.\nK:\nI understand, I understand.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nDr. Fritz Kraemer\n8/3/71 9:20 a.m.\nHK: I called you last week when you were away.\nFK: Yes, I talked the evening before with Al Haig and told him\nI was going to Fort Knox.\nHK: I told Sven that I tried to reach you. I wanted you to know\nthat your memo has been read with approbation but no prospect of action.\nFK: How can anyone, under the circumstances, accept what I\nwrote even theoretically?\nHK: It was totally accepted.\nFK: Don't you think that's tragic?\nHK: I didn't put your name on it and he said that's the same man\nas the author of the memo I read last year.\nFK: My God.\nHK: My analysis isn't any different from yours, thereis just\nmore knowledge of the necessities. But that isn't anything to discuss\nover the telephone. I could, conceivable, come by tonight.\nFK: That's fine.\nHK: At around 8:00 or 8:30.\nFK: That's fine, and if you find it must be later, that will be\nall right too.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nStewart Alsop\n8/3/71 9:25 a. m.\nK: How are you getting along?\nA: I'm mystifying the doctors more than even, which actually\ngive me pleasure.\nK: I consider that a great sign.\nA: They have decided to give me no treatment at all because they\ncan't figure outr what's wrong. I may be going home tomorrow.\nK: I was going to ask about my dropping by tonight.\nA: That would be very nice.\nK: How late can you receive visitors? 7:30?\nA: That would be fine.\nK: I will be meeting with some students on the Hill at 6:00. But\nI could be finished by 7:00 and be there by 7:30/\nA: I look forward to seeing you. I would like to show you a column\nI am writing of which you won't approve.\nK: What about?\nA: China.\nK: And you are not praising us?\nA: I'm actually praising you, but I think you'll argue with it.\nK: Well, I'll be there as close to 7:30 as possible. Is there only\none way to get in?\nA: No, it's rather complicated. It's 10-C. Do you want me to\nfind out for you?\nK: No, let me have my office find out. If there's any problem I'll\ncall you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAlex Johnson\n8/3/71 11:15 a. m.\nK: Two things: first, it's not totally out of the ballparkthat\nthe President might do it the night before. But everyone agrees it\nwould be better in the morning.\nJ: I will explore it with Ushiba as quietly as I can.\nK: But we just don't want to be in a position where the schedule\nis set because of the dinner.\nJ: No.\nK: So you could wait till tomorrow till I have a ruling. You\ncould put it on this basis, that we have a problem with the Brazilian visit.\nJ: Have we got dates on that?\nK: No.\nJ: I'm going to talk quietly today.\nK: But it isn't totally out of the ballpark that he might do it\nSunday night.\nJ: That's the only answer I need now.\nK: We would probably want him as early as we can get him.\nJ: Yes, but from his standpoint Monday the 27th is better?\nK: Yes, at the moment. I frankly have only discussed it with\nHaldeman and very briefly with him.\nJ: Why don't I talks with Ushiba?\nK: Yes. We should get some points for thinking about it at least.\nOne other thing -- when I was in Thailand, the consensus was that the\npackage we made up wouldn't fly. I asked Wayne Smith on my staff to\nwork with the Embassy making up a package that would. I have no brief\nwith the one they have developed except that the Nixon Doctrine says that\nleaving with them resources. Here we are both\npulling out without giving them resources and\nWe ought to be doing something now. Could I send the program over to you?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAlex Johnson\n8/3/71 11:15 a.m. p. 2\nJ: Yes, please do, immediately.\nK: My staff and your people out there seem to think this is the way to do it\nJ: If we have no problem with using massive material outside the\ncountry that's all I'm worried about.\nK: That we'd have had anyway.\nJ: No, we were going to use PL-480 as an offset for their making\npurchases for us outside the country. If they drop a bomb in Cambodia\nthey bought from us, we offset it with PL-480. Granted, it's Rube\nGoldberg but\nWhy don't you send that over right away. I'm\nvery interested in that.\nK: Okay.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Rogers/Mr. Kissinger\n11:30 a. m., August 3, 1971\nR:\nHenry, I was wondering about your meeting with Fulbright.\nK:\nI told Haig to tell Eliot. It came about.\nFor a year they\nhave been nagging us, and MacGregor at the President's instruction\ntold him whenever he wanted me on a private basis, it wouldn't be\ncovered by Executive Privilege. He called last week and asked\nwhether if I came for drinks at his house\nIn any event 70 per\ncent concerned China. I continue to be amazed how you can continue\ntelling the same story which has appeared so many times in the\nnewspapers. They asked me about the UN thing -- whether it was\naffected by my trip to Peking. I said absolutely not.\nR:\nWas it at his house?\nK:\nYes.\nR:\nWho was there?\nK:\nAiken, Scott, Javits, Church, I think Spong, McGee, Cooper.\nThat's all, I think. The unfortunate thing was MacGregor had written\na letter saying we would be willing to do it. There was only one question\non Vietnam which was interesting. As you told me earlier, they were\nvery tame.\nR:\nI think the problem is if they start setting a precedent, they\nwill keep having Executive sessions at his home.\nK:\nI think it is a bad policy to have me testify. I told him that.\nThey spent some time on that. I said I am not the spokesman for\nforeign policy and it's not a good idea for me to testify. We have to\nsee how often he does it. If it's once a year, it's probably best not\nto make an issue of it. If it's every three months, we should make\nan issue.\nR:\nYou should let me know in advance. He will try to screw things\nup. Things are working well now, and if we set up a private channel,\nhe will want to do it that way.\nK:\nThis was arranged through MacGreggr and was arranged on\nFriday, and I was going to let you know. It slipped my mind. I got\nword to you as soon as I remembered. In the future, I will let you\nknow as soon as the invitation comes.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nSecretary Rogers/Mr. Kissinger\n11:30 a. m., August 3, 1971\n- 2 -\ntry to\nR:\nYou should tell me in advance. I/keep you advised.\nK:\nI haven't had any contact with Fulbright's Committee since\nApril of 69 or 70 -- since the week before the Cambodian invasion.\nR:\nIt's bad when it's done that way. I didn't know it and the\nCommittee talks to me about it.\nXXXXXXXXX It should be a coordinated effort.\nK:\nAbsolutely.\nR:\nYou should have mentioned it to me yesterday.\nK:\nThe minute I got back I asked Haig to call Eliot. You are\nright. In the future as soon as the invitation is received I will discuss\nit with you before there is any response.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nProfessor Doty\n8/3/71 2:55 p.m\nD: I'm sorry to bother you. There are two questions it seemed\nuseful to ask. One is, we are going to be working Thursday before\nwe see you. Is there anything on the technical side you want USE to\nlook into on this point on which I gather some disagreement has developed.\nK: On what?\nD: On SALT\nvis-a=vis new systems.\nK: I haven't studied it enough to know what the issue is.\nD: I gathered from Spurgeon it was being held tight.\nK: Let's wait till it has crystalized a little more.\nD: Okay. The other point is if we dispose of seeing you and have\nno more time down there, is there anything more we should get briefed\nabout on Helsinki. It stands that that our ground rules are not to discuss\nit in Moscow?\nK: I will make sure Sonnenfeldt gives you a briefing on that.\nD: Okay, and on China I gather there's nothing new to say.\nK: That's right.\nD: Iwnted to make sure these points were covered and that you\nwere still saving time for us.\nK: Yes, that's still on the rails.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGovernor Rockefeller\n8/3/71 3:00 p.m.\nR: I just came back from Washington. Had a quiet evening with Jack\nand he said you did a fabulous job with the Committee.\nK: Isn't he nice.\nR: He isn't one to pass out praise freely. He was impressed -- said\nyou avoided all the banana peels.\nK: I must say, he's abrasive and selfish, but he has been very decent\nand honorable.\nR: And he's a very bright guy.\nK: Aren't you thoughtful to call.\nR: I just was so pleased about it. That's the toughest group.\nK: And not for the President.\nR: And no one has been able to break them. I am just thrilled.\nK: That's just marvelous. Now if we can get some of these things moving\nwe may have a good year.\nR: I've got my fingers crossed.\nK: When are you going to be back?\nR: the 14th.\nK: I won't have anything till a few days after that.\nR: I'm going to Maine from the 20th until after Labor Day. Would love\nto have you join us.\nK: I would love to, but I have to go with the President. When will you\ngo up there?\nR: The 20th and back the week of the 15th.\nK: Let me see whether I can't hop down on the evening of the 17th.\nR: Marvelous. Henry, we are getting this commission put together\non New York City. You don't have any ideas for a Director of that do you?\nSomeone with your kind of background but domestic.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGovernor Rockefeller\n8/3/71 3:00 p.m. p. 2\nK: I like James Wilson at Harvard. He's a pretty senior professor -\nmaybe you don't want such a senior man - but I trust his judgment.\nR: What is he professor of?\nK: Local government. He's a good solid guy. Now a wooly-headed\nliberal, but no one at Harvard is exactly a reactionary. And a very objective\nfellow and I think you'll like him personally.\nR: How old is he?\nK: A little younger than I.\nR: That makes him very young. I will check that out. On this other\nthing, Flo called Ann and thinks the Cato's (?) job could be part-time.\nK: Let me talk to Flanigan aboutix it and then to Rogers.\nR: Aren't you nice.\nK: No, I am interested.\nR: Someone who'e got a little time the Latins understand. I'll be\nthinking about you. I'll be staying in England over the weekend and then on\nto Portugal, staying with the George Woods.\nK: Have a marvelous time.\nR: I hate to leave you carrying all the load by yourself.\nK: The train is going down the tracks now. There isn't much we can do\nexcept wait.\nR: You're pushing it all the time. I am so thrilled by what Jack said.\nK: You're thoughtful to call.\nR: Jack is a pretty sophisticated guy. This was genuine.\nK: That's great. Have a marvelous time and I'll call you as soon as you're\nback.\nR: Great.\nK: And if you have any problems I've given Nancy a phone number at the\nEmbassy in London which gets you directly to me.\nR: Oh great. We'll stay in touch.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nStewart Alsop\n8/3/71 22zz 4:00 p.m.\n[After Mr. Kissinger had gotten a message saying that Mr. Alsop had\nto be transfused this evening as his blood count was low but that if the\ntransfusion \"took\" he expected to go home tomorrow and would like Mr.\nKissinger to come by his home for a drink. ]\nK: How can I corrupt you if I can't see you?\nA: I would love to, but the doctor found my count low and\nattached me to some blood. It is dripping into me at the moment and it's not t\ncomfortable.\nK: Okay, I'll come by Thursday or Friday. Which would you prefer?\nA: Thursday will be fine.\nK: Good, that will be at your home?\nA: That's right.\nK: Around 6:00 or 6:30.\nA: Any time, I'll just be sitting around the house.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nPeter Towe\n(Charge d'Affairs, Canadian Embassy)\n8/3/71 ca. 4:00\nT: The leader of the opposition in Canada, Honorable Robert Stanfield,\nis coming to Washington tomorrow to meet with a small informal group at\nthe National Press Club. He ihas just returned from Peking as you may know\nK: Yes, I do.\nT: I am having a small informal dinner for him tomorrow. I wondered\nif you were interested and free\nK: I am interested, but unfortunately not free.\nT: Oh that's too bad. He will be disappointed. He will be leaving the\nnext morning\nK: What time.\nT: I'm not sure.\nK: Why don't we try to set up an hour ar at least a half hour with him\ntomorrow some time?\nT: That would be great.\nK: I'll get my office to call you before the end of the day.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nThe President\n8/3/71 5:15 p.m.\nP: On this ILO thing -- the conference committee refused to appropriate\nI don't think I should stick my neck out. What do you think? The\norganization is no good.\nK: Yes.\nP: Now we have the money and all that, but what do you think?\nK: You'll get all the UN types after you\nThe only other pessibility\nis to say perhaps they should go for this one more time but if there are no\nreforms then you'll understand fully in a subsequent year\nthat they\nhave been put on notice.\nP: I may just give it a kick. What do you think?\nK: That's a possibility. I just don't know at this time whether it's\nworth making waves in that direction/\nP: Okay.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPresident/Kissinger\n5:25 p.m.\n8/3/71\nP: Looking at the Pakistan thing on arms embargo. Is it\nor both?\nK: Let me step to another phone. They are asking for an arms and an economic\nembargo. We are trying to make it so it at least the economic help can be\ngiven.\nP: (President had hung up. Re-called.) On the Pak thing, I got your paper.\nK: The extreme people want to cut off everything. I think we can get enough\npeople - - on relief we have a fighting chance but arms itself is hopeless.\nP: Are we for an arms embargo in Pakistan?\nK: Just describe what we have done. In effect we have not sent any arms\nafter April 1 except those in depots and it's down to $3-5 million outstanding.\nP: Arms purchased already.\nK: Contracts singned and enroute. ?????.\nP: What do we say about licenses in the future?\nK: Fudge it. No license at this time.\nP: We will evaluate as it goes along. We will have to take the heat on this.\nK: It's not just but I know the problem.\nP: They are doing it for reasons of screwing us up. They want Pakistan\nto go down and screw us up. They want a way. Zeigler says they will get tx\ninto Security Council seat. I will say the Secy. of State has stated our position.\nK: Secy. of State said we will be guided by the majority.\nand\nP: Stated position and we will vote for admission of Mainland China/against\nexpulsion of Taiwan.\nK: And on Security Council the Secy. statment speaks for itself.\nXxx P: The majority will determine.\nK: The ????\nP: And Security Coundil determines. I think we have a veto.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-2-\nK: Probably not. It's complicated. It's not a new member but credentials.\nTechnical.\nP: A technical matter. Fudge it up. With regard to Porter's not being there\nin Paris yet we will simply say in good time.\nK: Before the end of the month.\nP: Negotiations can proceed while he is gone.\nK: Exactly. Some members of NVN delegation are also away in Hanoi. I\nthink xbel would say the established channels are working. Let them figure\nout what that means.\nP: They won't guess. Take a little heat now because in the end when we surfact\nthese fellows we will blast them out of their seats.\nK: NYTimes said yesterday we evaded answering to the 7 points. We have\ngone beyond that and in fact have settled 5 of 7 already. They will not be\ndisposed to give a x\nof heat.\nP: Just betx like to sock them in a little and let them think we are not doing\nanything. Activivly persuing negotiations in establsihed channels and noghting\nfurther to say.\nK: Very good.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nDr. Weisner/Mr. Kissinger\n7:45 p.m., August 3, 1971\nK:\nHello, Jerry.\nW:\nI was so pleased with your China policy, I thought I should say so.\nOne of the great strides forward.\nK:\nThe Right Wing is going wild.\nW:\nWhat?\nK:\nHis Right Wing friends are going wild.\nW:\nHe sees history ahead of us a little bit. Obviously necessary and\ndone with style. I wish you would tell the President too.\nK:\nI will tell him. It will mean a hell of a lot to him.\nW:\nA whole new world out of it.\nK:\nYeah.\nW:\nVietnam there because of China.\nK:\nYeah.\nW:\nVietnam there because of China.\nK:\nYeah, yeah.\nW:\nthe paranoid of why people make all those mistakes.\nK:\nThe psychological outcome on the woldx world.\nW:\nIt has already changed the world -- not only the meeting but the\nnew position in the UN which they won't accept.\nK:\nThey won't accept it now.\nW:\nterribly important role and the Chinese will come around\nsome day.\nK:\nIt means a lot for many reasons. The people I know -- the people\nthe President thinks are of my clientele will not support him in the\nelection.\nW:\nWell, I started lies life as an Independent -- I voted for Eisenhower.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nDr. Weisner/Mr. Kissinger\n7:45 p.m., August 3, 1971 -- page 2\nK:\nOh, did you, I didn't know that.\nW:\nNixon has lacked up to now a sort of style that people can look up\nto. I tried to sell this once to your saxaphone playing friend.\nK:\nGarment?\nW:\nGarment Told him I thought he misinterpreted -- really my\ninterpretation -- of the Scranton report. Said it differed. Only one\nman in the world can give moral leadership in the world and that\nis the President. I think he is doing that here.\nK:\nDon't think you can do the day to day business if you are not\nstretched.\nW:\nIf you can not, you are in trouble. Particularly when you are\nrunning the strongest nation in the world.\nK:\nAppreciate it very much and it was very thoughtful of you to call.\nW:\nSpent a couple of weeks in Europe and was there when you were in\nChina. I was feeling sorry for you!\nK:\nOh, you were! Was the reaction good?\nW:\nExciting and genuinely enthusiastic. There were those who wondered\nif it was an anti-Russian ploy. That's the thing you have to fight.\nK:\nOf course. This argument that we are using it an an anti-Russian\nploy\nW:\nOn the whole no matter where I went there was enthusiasm for\nthe government that I haven't seen before. And following it up with\nthe UN thing is logical.\nK:\nYeah.\nW:\nIt goes back years and years before I ever dealed with the Russians,\nthe Russians had decided to keep the Chinese isolated. They always\ndid it in a way to calculate to make people angry.\nK:\nI am not sure the Russians want them in the UN.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nDr. Weisner/Mr. Kissinger\n7:45 p.m., August 3, 1971 -- page 3\nW:\nThey always did it in such a way to antagonize us and using it as\na foil.\nK:\nIt will be interesting to see Peking's reaction, I haven't seen it yet.\nW:\nMaybe you have to change the name of Taiwan.\nK:\nTime is something.\nW:\nAnd Chiang Kai-shek.\nK:\nLook in on me when you are down here. When are you coming down?\nW:\nHave no meetings this month. Are you likely to come up this way?\nK:\nNo immediate plans.\nW:\nWant to escape and come to the vineyard one weekend, just come.\nWe are there most of the time and --\nK:\nThe problem is that I expect to be going with the President to the\nWest Coast in August but I will keep it in mind.\nW:\nDo tell the President will you. He has known when I have been\ncritical, he should know how I feel on this.\nK:\nI will tell him.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\n7:52 p. m. August 3, 1971\nMrs. Blount/Mr. Kissinger\nB:\nRed is so made that you went to China and didn't let him go.\nHe said damn, Henry, I wanted to go to China too.\nK:\nI knew if I didn't get in there, he would\nB:\nTomorrow night we are having a very informal get together.\nJack Irwin will be here. It is a family-type thing and luckily you\ncan drop by any time.\nK:\nAren't you nice but I think I have something. May I call you?\nB:\nYou can bring one of your good looking girls.\nK:\nAs a matter of fact someone is coming from out of town.\nB:\nOur 19-year-old daughter will be here.\nK:\nMay I call you by noon tomorrow?\nB:\nYes. It's going to be a real informal thing.\nK:\nGood, I will call you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Laird\n8/4/71 8:10 a.m.\nL: You bearing up all right?\nK: So far.\nL: I wanted to check on two items. First, I have spent two afternoons\nthis week with the Chiefs. One afternoon was on SALT; the other on the budget.\nOf course, the budget discussion is one you will get into on down the line in\nthe DPRC Meeting.\nK: Yes.\nL: As you know, there is a real division between the Air Force and the\nNavy and the Army. The Army is fighting very strong a fight that is difficult\nbecause they lost in the Congress and they haven't beel willingto realize\nwhat happened to them there. I want to help them, but the Navy and Air\nForce feel there should be an increase in air power and not just so much in\nthe Army budget. We'll keep it together, but I just wanted you to know\nabout it. I thought you should know that Westy thinks the others are picking\non him and/he is standing all alone. He comes up crying that the Chairman of the\nJoint Staff doesn't pay any attention to him. I thought you should know that\nand have a little feeling for it.\nK: They are going to present it in terms of missions, aren¹t they. Be-\ncause if they present it in dollars they'll get a big whack.\nL: They'll show it in missions, but will also have to put a price on them.\nK: Oh no, there has to be a price on them, but they don't want it just in\ndollars.\nL: No, it will show things you can do and things you can't do. If you\nhave to both Asia and Europe at the same time\nhell, you can't do that.\nWe've shown that before. But it's in missions and dollars. I just wanted\nto give you the background. Feelings are high. The Air Force and the Navy\nfeel the Army just wants to divide the pie on an equal basis and that missions\nare changing. It's a good argument on all sides. But I wanted you to know\nthat the Chairman is trying to be fair.\nK: Okay Mel. On SALT, the only issue is zero ABM?\nL: No, that is not a major issue.\nK: The Russians will never take it.\nL: That is not a major issue.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Laird\n8/4/71 8:10 a.m. p. 2\nL: The Joint Chiefs have come out against zero-ABM. Tom will tell you\npersonally that from a military standpoint the zero is much better than the\ntwo others. But it won't be accepted by the Soviet Union so there's no problem\nover here about it. The one problem is the new date in NSDM 120. It gives\nthe Soviet Union more missiles\nK: What is the date?\nL: December 31 of this year. It adds a couple of hundred missiles\nK: I've got to take a look at that.\nL: And there's no payoff as far as reduction. I sent you a memo yesterday\non this. This is one they don't think is fair, particularly is the Soviet Union\ngoes ahead on the MIRVS. I will send you a paper on that if you like.\nK: No, papers have a way of leaking. I know the issue.\nL: We spent most of our time in a two and a half hour meeting with the\nChiefs on this. This is what they feel strongly about.\nK: Good.\nL: One other thing, you mentioned that the President wanted to change the\nDeppty Director of CIA. I'll have to pull off Stennis on the Hill on this. The\nonly way I can justify that as a four-star billet is for Cushman.\nK: Why don't you hold off - - he hasn't done it yet.\nL: But I got word from Hughes\nK: Oh well, if you've gotten word\nL: Hughes talked with Carl Wallace and told him that he wants him to get\nExishmax Chapman to back off his recommendation for commandant. I can\nmake the recommendation over Chapman, but they want him to back off. I don't\nwant him to bring that up with the President. He feels very strongly about this.\nIf I mention it to him, he'll bring it up with the President. I don't care what\nhis recommendation is. I can make one that's different. But I'll call off the\nbill. It's already passed one house. I'll Stennis we want it pulled.\nK: If the Cushman thing is set that's what you ought to do.\nL: Stennis will think I misled him. I told him we wanted that only for\nCushman.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Laird\n8/4/71 8:10 a/m. p. 3\nK: You think the Cushman commandant thing is set?\nL: If that's what the President wants. It's going to cause a panic in\nthe Marine Corps. The Marine Chief is the least important of the chiefs as\nfar as I'm concerned. If the President wants it this way, that's the way it\nshould go. It will cause a fight in the Marine Corps. You'll lose about\nthree generals right away. They'll get right out of there. But that's okay\ntoo.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Kissinger/Senator Stennis\n9:58 a. m., August 4, 1971\nK:\nI talked to the President about your proposal and he says this --\nhe will try to say something publicly. If a letter by him will make\na difference in passing this week, he will send a letter. But he wanted\nto get a report from MacGregor who will also consult with you. If you\nthink it increases the prospects to a reasonable letter, he will send\na letter.\nS:\nI think it would overall. I seriously doubt if there is time for\nthis emergency this week. Cranston and Gravell have announced they\nare going to stop and block it. I don't think we could get cloture that\nfast. Assuming the House passes it today, there will be just Thursday\nand Friday and you just can't do it.\nK:\nWould you want the letter anyway.\nS:\nIt would be helpful. I still thought you might say something\ninthe press.\nK:\nIf it comes up. Incidentally, that Press Conference will not\nbe announced. We shouldn't talk about it.\nS:\nTo be honest, I don't think a letter would pass it this sitting\nbefore the recess.\nK:\nCould we wait until later today.\nS:\nThat will be all right. I appreciation what you and he are doing.\nK:\nYou have been a great patriot.\nS:\nLet's leave it that way now. I appreciate your consideration of\nit. I wish I could give you a more favorable report. As soon as it\ncomes in from the House\nK:\nCall me as soon as it comes in.\nS:\nAnd we will take another reading. All right.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nJohn Freeman\n8/4/71 12:31 p.m.\nK: How was Greece/\nF: Absolutely splendid. I was away from the telephone, in the sun.\nSwimming, fishing, sailing. It couldn't have been nicer.\nK: That sounds inconceivable to me. I have to go to Peking to get\naway from the telephone. John, I called because Governor Rockefeller is\ngoing to be in London for a few days. Nancy Maginnes -- do you remember her?\nF: Oh yes, of course.\nK: She is going to be with him, doing some research for him. They'll\nbe staying at Claridges. The Governor will be well taken care of but\nF: But Nancy would like to be taken care of.\nK: She is too proud to say so. But I know she would be pleased if you called.\nF: I will call her and see what her needs are and see if I can help.\nK: I appreciate it very much.\nF: Certainly.\nK: Are you coming over here at any point?\nF: I don't see it immediately, but I will let you know if I do.\nK: I will be on the West Coast from the middle of August until September.\nF: I can't see any proposek prospect at the moment\nK: To recruit stars for your television.\nF:\nbut I would love to. Is all well with you?\nK: Yes.\nF: And the President is all right?\nK: He is fine. He just had a press conference which he negotiated without\ndisaster.\nF: Good. Mr. Heath had one recently, modeled on the President. It was\nthe first time it was done at One Downing Street and worked very well.\nK: Good.\nF: Good to hear from you. I will call Nancy first thing in the morning.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nA\n(Dobrynin)\n8/4/71 12:35 p.m.\nA: Now they are beginning to publish on a ticker when you have a meeting\nwith the President. I just saw it on the ticker, UPI, 11:00\nK: It probably means I'm on the way out.\nA: It gives me respect at that particular time, but now I think that it is\ntrue.\nK: That I am on the way out?\nA: No.\nK: Let me explain to you. The President scheduled a press conference in\nhis office for this afternoon which was supposed to be a surprise, but it leaked\nout. Then there was the danger that a lot of angry newsmen would come over.\nHe wanted to have it this morning, so it was announced\nyou follow me?\nA: Yes.\nK: I'm calling because something embarrassing happened at the press\nconference. They asked about a summit with Moscow, would he consider it\nbefore Peking? He said in effect what I had told you, but in a convuluted way.\nHe said that when Gromyko was here last year we discussed the summit and\nsaid that if it was held it should be well prepared. That slipped out and we\nowe youan apology for that. I hope you will explain it. It was a slip of the\ntongue. The answer itself was along the same lines as what we discussed.\nThe only part of it that worries me is that he mentioned he had discussed it\nwith Gromyko last year.\nA:\nK: You mean it has been discussed?\nA: Yes, it is going on still. But I will look at this.\nK: We like to aviid public discussions back and forth. Incidentally, the\nPresident is preparing a letter to Brezhnev.\nA: I think that is a good idea.\nK: And I think you will find it constructive.\nA: On this about the talks with Gromyko\nNow I have full ext. First,\nabout China any new one, that is nonsense -- not a single hint of that. He,\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nA\n8/4/71 12:35 ap.m. p. 2\nincidentally,\nour Secretary General about U.S. -Soviet\nrelations and was personally interested in our relations. Shows he really\nhas interest in this.\nK: I will have the letter to you almost certainly by Friday, or by Monday\nmorning.\nA: Friday would be better. Sometimes some things little bit more in time.\nK: There is nothing in the letter we haven't already discussed.\nA: I understand, but good idea.\nK: Just for tone\nA: And proper perspective in our relations.\nK: Ithink you will find it constructive. Worked on it yesterday and again\nthis morning. By Friday morning we should have it.\nA: But on Friday I will be out of town in New York. On Saturday then.\nK: I won't be here then. If I have it I will give it to you tomorrow.\nA: If not, Monday.\nK: And I will talk to you next week some time. You'll have the letter\nat any rate no later than Monday.\nA: All right.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nClark MacGregor\n8/4/71 4:35 p.m.\nM: The vote in the House was reassuring on the draft extention bill --\n298 to 108.\nK: Good, congratulations.\nM: It gives more leverage with the Senate and a chance to go and talk\nwith Mansfield.\nK: If Bill Rogers could go with you\nM: I'm going to call him and ask him to right now. What I called you\nabout, the language from Stennis which in the last sentence we can't accept.\nThe President was on the phone with Stennis today -- it was his birithday --\nand he brought this up. Stennis indicated that it could change. Have you\nrevieed it?\nK: No, I told Stennis I was waiting for a report from you on the house\nvote. I will have something drafted and he will have it first thing in the\nmorning. It will be in the spirit of what he drafted without the word\n\"direction.\n11\nM: And without \"coincides. 11\nK: Yes.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nThe Vice President\n8/4/71 4:55 p.m.\nVP: John Scali is now talking to General Dunn about a\nproblem the President wanted me to handle. He has requested\nmemcons from my trip. I'm not sure it's desirable to turn over\nall this classified material to him.\nK: I don't know why he needs that.\nVP: He is trying to build something positive out of it.\nI think it would be better for me to brief him for a while instead\nof truning all these memcons over to him.\nK: I don't give him mine if that's any answer to your\nquestion.\nVP: All right. Thank you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified."
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