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TELCON Moorer/Kissinger 11:15 a. m. 9/2/71 M: Question here. Getting ready for X DPRC Wed. I know you discussed with Laird at breakfast. We are charging around on a decrement -- future cuts. K: Is that what Laird said I said? M: In order for you to go to President you have to assure him you examined additional cuts below the par. K: We have 3 recommendations from the Secy. one from every consumer ranging from 76-83. I was at a budget meeting and ? ? ? ? ? . I said we can't do that. Statement from services and see what it comes out as. He gave three weeks. Therefore, if you are in a position to come up with a package and get thex it costed out we could stick send what you are after. But you will Wank him up the wall if you say one aircraft carrier and so forth. He-will say he wants more then we can afford but if you do it with the dax budget, it will cut it down. My interest is to get your pxxxxxx people to do it in terms of mission. Best guarantee for national defense budget. M: xRkey That clears up points. K: What I have found most effective with the President is to say with X carriers we can do this, with Y do that, and SO forth. M: I understand. We worked up something similar last winter. K: That's what will be mosteuseful. Further conversation: 11:20 a. m. K: I didn't frankly know what you were talking about until I talked with Haig. I never talked about decrement. My thought was opposite. It was to keep the defense budget at what's useful and needed. So the whole thrust of the conversation was 180 degress opposite to what you were told. If you put it into missions he will send more than he can pay for. One other thing, Zumwalt called Haldeman and said he didn't think the Navy's concerns were getting to the President and could bax he see the President and Haldeman said it was out of order and had to go through me. That won't work in the WH. M: He is bouncing X like a rubber ball. I will x speak to him. K: I am not your trouble in this budgetary thing. M: Thanks for tell me. I will speak to him.

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