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Mr. Kissinger
The President
9/14/71; 8:25 p. m.
P: I was wondering -- I notice they got four helicopters -- don't you think
that is enough provocation to give them a couple of bangs?
K: I have to look at the details of how they got them.
P: I wouldn't be too ginger about that! What about McGovern and 1/ why
is Abrams and everybody sucking around him?
K: They are protecting their flanks. I raised hell with Moorer and Laird.
They are going to send out additional orders to Abrams to keep his mouth
shut.
P: Do you think Abrams put out "getting out by spring"?
K: No, I think that was by McGovern but I think Abrams was protecting
himself by saying there would not be a residual force.
P: That's not his business! I think we have to consider withdrawing the
son-of-abitch.
K: I think so, Mr. President. He is a meritorious person but he is no
longer on top of this. I think we might think of a younger man who wants
a reputation. But it will look like the last days of the Johnson Administration
if we withdraw him.
P: Get someone second in command that will keep him from drinking too
much and talking too much.
K: We can't get anyone that will keep him from drinking too much, but we
can get someone to keep him from talking too much.
P: They go together ! Do you have Laird silenced?
K: I called Laird. He said he would hold a meeting tomorrow and get pretty
tough.
P: I think we need a meeting of Moorer and everybody and get them shaped
up. We will do it Monday.
K In the morning or afternoon?
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