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    "ocrText": "TelCon: 10: 00-9/16/71\nMr. Kissinger/\nMr. Peterson\nK:\nWhat is this god damn story about this pulling out. What is that crap?\nP:\nIs that the story. I haven't seen it, are we pulling out.\nK:\nWe were on the verge of approving it.\nP:\nAlright I will find out for you right away. Incidentally, I am having\na group of outside experts tomorrow. Hormats has been invited and\nwill keep you posted. I am writing a memo to the President right now\nwe are behaving a little bit like we have put the patient on\nthe table and have cut him open.\nK:\nIf I were there I would do what they are doing.\nP:\nGood. Incidentally, have you graduated from our morning group.\nK:\nNo, I am coming again, but they are a little boring.\nP:\nWe have not lost our status but our prestige without you being there.\nK:\nOK - I will be there.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nThe President/Mr. Kissinger\n10:40 a. m. , September 16, 1971\nP:\nIs there anything I can say with regard to what Porter said.\nK:\nI haven't got the report yet, but he had the firmest instructions\nto\nP:\nIn the news summary there was another statement with regard\nto POW's -- the 31st thing.\nK:\nIt's building. Some of our people are popping off.\nP:\nWho?\nK:\nMacGeegor told a group we would establish a deadline in the\nnext announcement -- the Sperling group. That fuels people to try to\npreempt you. MacGregor said he wouldn't be surprised if you would\ndo it.\nP:\nWe better pull him off that.\nK:\nI have.\nP:\nGetting back to the POW thing. That is the only question on\nVietnam that poses any problem. What do you propose -- how should\nwe fudge it?\nK:\nI don't know whether you want to say it, but the basic issue is\n'do we want to hand the country over to the Communists? It comes\ndown to that.\nP:\nHenry, I know what the truth is. I am just talking about the\npublic relations aspect -- POW wives as to how we can make some\nindication that we are at least talking about the problems.\nK:\nYou could say we have been exploring all their pøoposals in\nmany channels. The danger is that they are going to say flatly, 'we\nwill let the prisoners go if you go out by December 31st. I\nP:\nWill that danger be escalated if we say something.\nK:\nIt could be.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nThe President/Mr. Kissinger\n10:40 .m., September 16, 1971\n- 2 -\nP:\nWhat would you say then? The critical question is what is\nthe attitude about the POW issue.\nK:\nYou can say, first, that every proposal they have made so\nfar -- as they confirmed to McGovern -- is designed to lead to a\ncollapse of the situation. They have never made a clear proposal.\nP:\nBut if we say that, they will make a clear proposal.\nK:\nSay they interpret the definitions of withdrawal as a practical\nconsequence of wanting us to hand the thing over to them. They want\na ceasefire with us but not with the South Vietnamese. In effect, they\nare asking us to turn the country over to the Communists.\nP:\nI am quite aware of that. We are going to have to fight it out\non that;\nX\nI see no other choice. If worse comes to worst, we will\nput the responsibility on them.\nK:\nWhen we have reached the point where these resolutions keep\nmultiplying, we will have to take it to the country and say we have taken\nall this so far, but we can't keep going.\nP:\nThey will keep multiplying because they desire to be out front\nas we approach the elections.\nK:\nThey know we are getting out.\nP:\nLike Mansfield -- what a waste of time that was with Mansfield.\nHe said he would insist on a deadline but he is making it 2-1/2 months\nearlier because of the time already wasted.\nK:\nI didn't realize he said that.\nP:\nOur casualties are down 1/5 of any similar period in five years,\nand they are 1/16th of any similar period in 1968. They are saying\nlet's get out and turn the country over to the Communists.\nK:\nFor cheap political purposes. The more these voices are heard\nhere, the more unstable the situation becomes there.\nP:\nI would like an analysis of what the situation really is -- I don't\nmean today but for study over the weekend.\nK:\nI will get it immediately.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nThe President/Mr. Kissinger\n10:40 a. m., September 16, 1971\n- 3 -\nP:\nSecond, I do feel Bunker has to do the best he can with Thieu.\nWe will stand by him, but he is to tell Thieu to make the referendum\nas clear as he can. We want him to win it.\nK:\nWe have told him.\nP:\nBut it doesn't get through.\nK:\nAnything he does now will weaken his stand.\nP:\nOne thing I do want is Bunker's candid assessment of the\npolitical situation. Haig will give me his assessment of the military\nsituation.\nK:\nI asked Haig to look the whole situation over.\nP:\nWhat about Thompson?\nK:\nHe is out there now.\nP:\nI want Thompson to give me an assessment in 48 hours -- before\nthe Monday meeting. Thompson can get us something back; he knows\nwhat the situation is. It would be very helpful. On the draft thing,\nwhat is your view? Shultz is saying, 'well, maybe we have to go all\nout for the Volun teer Army.'\nK:\nWe can't do that.\nP:\nWe can, but it involves an enormous amount of money. And\nit won't work.\nK:\nIt won't work. I understand they will lay it on the table and\nthey say they will get back to a vote fairly quickly.\nP:\nHow will they get back to a vote. The problem is Hebert\nwon't go to another conference.\nK:\nI just talked to Taft who claims he doesn't mean it.\nP:\nOkay.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nThe President/Mr. Kissinger\n10:40 a. m., September 16, 1971\n- 4 -\n[Second call from the President at 10:50 a. m. ]\nP:\nMy recollection from a few years back is that Japan, in\nterms of GNP, produces more than the rest of Asia combined. I\nam confident of that. They are 2-1/2 times greater than China;\nI would like to know if that statement is relatively correct.\nK:\nI will get that right away.\nP:\nAnother figure I need -- the amount of U.S. Military budget\ncompared with the military budgets of the rest of the world -- major\nnations such as Europe and Japan vs. the U.S. military budget.\nK:\nI will get both within the hour. On the other issue that you\nraised before, I was just coming over.\nP:\nDo you want to come over?\nK:\nX Yes, let me drop over.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelCon:11:45-9/16/71\nThe President/\nMr. Kissinger\nP:\nYou are sure we are not at fault there.\nK:\nAbsolutely not.\nP:\nBecause it is a\nK:\nMack is using that as a maneuver to get a higher deal from the\nRussians and I have continued to stay in\napproved $250\nmillion. Now Satra Col. which is working with Mack has applied\nfor a $320 million loan for export licenses for the Kama River\nwhich we are going to approve.\nP:\nWhen it comes do it fast and do get a lot of publicity on it.\nK:\nWhat they are doing now is that they have only withdrawn from the\noverall supervision part of it but not the individual part of it and\nthere is a pressure negotiating ploy by Mack\nthey have\nnever submitted a significant application\n$320 million is going\nto be approved - I guess within two weeks.\nP:\nI want to personally be present tomake sure it gets the public relations\nit should at the earliest possible time. What about Gromyko?\nK:\nI wouldn't give the day. I would just say yes I expect to see him.\nP:\nI wouldn't give the date. I don't even know the date.\nK:\nThe date is the 29th.\nP:\nWhat about the Red China\nthat of course was inevitable.\nK:\nAnd we have been in touch with Taiwan and find they will oppose it.\nP:\nIn other words we will just say we oppose it. Do you think I should\nsay a whole lot on Taiwan.\nK:\nNo.\nP:\nI will say we support one - oppose the other.\nK:\nExactly right.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nJohn Ehrlichman\n9/16/71 11:50 a. m.\nE: You don't know the cosmic problem I'm calling you about: Sewer\ntreatment plants.\nK: I'm for them.\nE: The question is who should build and plan them. Your Corps of\nEngineers has gotten support on the Hill for them to do it. I'm trying to\nget the Under Secretary of the Army to write to the Hill disclaiming in-\nterest in that. I wanted you to know that our environmental guys are\nmixed up in this.\nK: He didn't raise the question of sewage plants. He ganxexx gave\nme some complicated story about some deal he had made in testimony\nthat was looked over by you.\nE: We want a letter from Thaddeus Beall. If there is any serious\nproblem about getting the letter why doesn't your guy get with Whittaker\non this because he's involved in it.\nK: I'm against sewage -- you can quote me. And I'll do my best to\ndispose of it.\nE: Quit that! Well, there you are, another typical Lairdism and\nif you can get the Corps of Engineers off of it it will help a lot.\nK: I haveno particular interest in it, but I will check with Haig.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelCon:11:50 - 9/16/71\nThe President\nMr. Kissinger\nP:\nWe are not going to announce the accidental war agreement with\nthe Soviets today?\nK:\nNo, the Soviets are having some internal problems and they want\nto announce it on the 25th.\nP:\nWe will say it is under very active consideration.\nK:\nYes.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelCon: 11:55-9/16/71\nMr. Kissinger/\nSecretary Irwin\nI:\nGood morning Henry.\nK:\nHello Jack.\nI:\nI have a couple of items here. One is I spoke to Joe Sisco this\nmorning and he said there was no deadline.\nK:\nWell the Pakistanis thought there was a deadline and still think\nthere is.\nI:\nI will tell him not to have a deadline. It would be advantageous\nto clear it up as quickly as possible. Secondly, the timing of\nKorry's departure. Just exactly when it will go to the Senate I\nam not sure - maybe tomorrow or next week so theoredically\nwe could get Nat down to Santiago by the 27th or 28th.\nK:\nI will leave it up to you.\nI:\nThe General(?) is determined to make his final determination on\nthe 14th of October. If there is any interest at all on Korry's\n\"pragmatic\" discussions\nI would tend to hold Nat and send\nhim down in mid-October.\nK:\nGood, I think that is just fine.\nI:\nThanks Henry.\nK:\nGood to talk to you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelCon: 2:02-9/16/71\nRon Ziegler/\nMr. Kissinger\nR:\n(Picked up IO phone late)\nK:\nWell Ron I can't touch them. I let them handle it. It just screws us\nup. What did they say anything about keeping China\nR:\n(Quoting what he was saying - too fast).\nproposal was put before\nby Bush presented an announcement draft\nK:\nThat is alright. That has been in the works.\nR:\nI didn't know it was going to be announced that way.\nK:\nThat is OK. I didn't know it was going to be announced this way either.\nR:\nI said anyone who believes themselves to be an authority on this\nsubject should not speculate because the President has not made an\nannouncement.\nK:\nPerfect.\nR:\nIf you want to check the record I think you will find that my guidance\nhas been ąccurate and my guidance is to stay away and not speculate.\nK:\nWe will give you guidance tomorrow. We will go on the offensive\ntomorrow.\nR:\nDo you know why I call you like this every now and then. I want to\nmake sure the secretary on the other end\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelCon: 5:02-9/16/71\nMr. Kissinger/\nGovernor Reagan\nK:\nHello, how are you.\nR:\nI owe you an apology. When I couldn't get you on Sunday I said I would\ncall you back.\nK:\nI never got the message that you called.\nR:\nI said please leave word that I received your call and would call back\non Monday but I never got a chance to call back.\nK:\nI never got your call. This just happens too often. The thing I was\ncalling you on - I was just trying to continue that discussion where\nwe were interrupted. I hear from John Holdridge that your trip is\nall on.\nR:\nI understand that he told them that there will be messages and\nthings I am suppose to do, etc.\nK:\nI will be on the West Coast a week from this weekend. Will you be\nin Los Angeles the 24, 25 & 26?\nR:\nYes, I will be down there.\nK:\nI thought if you wanted to we could get together.\nR:\nI would love to - where will you be staying.\nK:\nAt Taft Schreiber's (?) house in Beverly Hills.\nR:\nI have a ceremony that Saturday and a fund raising raleigh that night.\nWhat about on Sunday?\nK:\nIhave to catch up with the President on Sunday in Seattle/ It would\ndepend upon when he leaves for Alaska.\nR:\nI will call you at the Taft's and see if there is some time that we can\nwork out.\nK:\nGood.\nR:\nNancy asked if you were going to be in Los Angeles on Thursday,\nOctober 7th.\nK:\nI don't think so.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n- 2 -\nR:\nWe were going to have a little dinner for Princess\n? of England.\nK:\nI am sorry - I would loved to have come. Let me know if xxxx I can\ndo anything to make your trip effective. I will XIX keep my eyes on it.\nR:\nThere was a story going around today - some newsman was saying we\nhad a one China policy.\nK:\nAbsolutely not. They are saying that it may be but if the Security\nCouncil seat may go if the Peoples Republicugoes -- but that is\non the basis of a two China policy\nIf we can keep the Peoples\nRepublic from being expelled the communists won't come in. That\nis the big thing - if we can keep Taiwan in we are willing to pay any\nprice. Quite honestly the big thing is keeping Taiwan from being\nexpelled from the UN. The other won't come in unless they are\nexpelled.\nR:\nNow I see. Alright, I will call you the weekend after next.\nK:\nGive my best to Nancy.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. H. A. Kissinger\nSenator Javits\n9/16/71; 8:15 p.m.\nJ: You were supposed to be up here today.\nK: Are you with Molly?\nJ: Yes.\nK: If they had told me -- if you and Marion she was trying to tempt\nme with Dinah Shore.\nJ: Marion send you her love.\nK: Give her my best. I called you because I had the idea of inviting the\nForeign Relations Committee in return for that evening at Fulbright's and\nwe have set it for Blair House for Monday. Fulbright very thoughtfully\ncalled me and said it was A Jewish holiday. He thought it would be nice\nif you understood that he did not set it.\nJ: What time is it set for?\nK: At the end of the day -- 6:00.\nJ: I might be a little late because our holiday ends then.\nK: I will make it 6:30.\nJ: I will try to be there.\nK: I think is a good time to meet -- I think it is better not to change it now.\nJ: Right, Very good.\nK: I hope you can be there.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRobert Evans/Mr. Kissinger\n8:28 p. m., September 16, 1971\nK:\nI just wanted to find out what your plans were I just wanted to\nlet you know what my plans are for October so we can concert\nover a weekend.\nE:\nI won't be coming east till the last week in October.\nK:\nThat's great.\nE:\nI have to be in New York on the 26th of October. We could tentatively\nplan a get together the next weekend -- the 30th.\nK:\nThat would be good because I could not make it the two previous\nweekends.\nE:\nWill you be out of the country those two weeks?\nK:\nI don't know no, no, not out of the country.\nE:\nI will be in Europe the first 10 days of October.\nK:\nOh, you will.\nE:\nYeah. I will give you a call as soon as I get back. About the 10th\nor 12th of October.\nK:\nThat would be great.\nE:\nHow does it feel being back in Washington?\nK:\nOh, I don't know. I remember the dinner at your house with great\npleasure.\nE:\nWe loved having you and would like to do it again. I will speak with\nyou in the middle of October.\nK:\nGreat, then we will plan for around the 30th. Give my best to Ali.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelCon: 9:20-9/17/71\nMr. Kissinger, /\nSecretary Laird\nL:\nHenry, how are you.\ngive\nK:\nYou want to/me some good news/\nL:\nWe are going to annonnce the 9th increment withdrawal with the\nAssistant Press Secretary - all the chiefs are all withdrawing\nto Airlie House for the next 36 hours. We will be out of town\nso there will be no problems.\nK:\nWell Mel - can we announce it.\nL:\nYes, we are going out to Airlie.\nK:\nBut you haven't invited me back.\nL:\nWe would love to have you. Al is coming out saturday night. We\nenjoyed your coming out charming the ladies at the last one.\nK:\nHave a good time.\nL:\nI thought that this would be good news for you today.\nK:\nEhrlichman is hitting me over the head with the seweage disposal.\nI am for sweerage - that is right.\nL:\nWhat they want to say is the Corps of Army Engineers can not be\nused in any way\nin some states they use the Corps all the time.\nK:\nWell I am going to stay out of it and I have every confidence that you\nwill keep our colleagues in a state of confusion. No, I am for it\nseriously and I won't worry.\nL:\nI am sorry I brought you bad news yesterday. The draft isn't in\ndispute its the pay statement and\nK:\nWell Mel, have a good time.\nL:\nGoodbye Henry.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelCon: 10:35-9/17/71\nMr. Kissinger/\nSecretary Rogers\nK:\nI am sorry I couldn't call you before 10 o'clock.\nR:\nYou said you were going to check with me before you met with the\nForeign Relations Committee.\nK:\nThe first time I heard about it was after you left and I was going to\nto call you about it. Let me say I have no interest in this effort\nwhatsoever, the idea is a gettogether in return for\nIf Abshire\nwants to be there I have no objection but I have no intention of doing\nanything except for having a very general bull session. I don't want\nto get into a position of testifying before these fellows.\nR:\nThat was the understanding I had with you and you said you wouldn't\ndo it unless you coordinated it with me. We have to know what we\nare doing all the time.\nK:\nFirst of all Abshire was told immediately to the best of my knowledge\nbefore I knew. I was going to call you but you had left.\nR:\nI have some thing to. I am meeting with Mansfield and the Committee\non Monday morning and I will keep you posted on what happens.\nK:\nI won't get into the Executive Privilege at all.\nR:\nIn view of the complexities we want to do these things on a combined\nbasis. I think we should discuss it in advance. If MacGregor doesn't\ntell me I resent it. I shouldn't be told after the fact.\nK:\nI understand your point. In this case the damage has been done at this\npoint. I will instruct MacGregor not to talk to these guys without\ncontacting me and I will then contact you. Getting alone with these\npeople is mainly your responsibility and your judgement is crucial.\nR:\nI have been trying to stay out of it now. The fight now is between\nMel and the Committee. I will ask Abshire\nK:\nI will do that.\nR:\nI will keep you up on what happens on Monday.\nK:\nI will not cover anything that you covered because they shouldn't have\na check list on what you said. If they refer to something I will say\nSecretary Rogers discussed that.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n- 2 -\nR:\nYou said you wouldn't do it more than every six months or so and\nit has not been more than a month.\nK:\nOh its been longer than that I'm sure.\nR:\nWell maybe two months\nK:\nWell I won't do it for a good long stretch - certainly for the rest of\nthis year.\nR:\nIt may be useful. The important thing is that we do what the President\nwants done and it should be accomplished.\nK:\nI agree with you one hundred percent.\nR:\nIt is all being done sort of clandestine like.\nK:\nThis was thought up by the Congressional staff and I didn't know about\nit. They talked to Fulbright and I didn't know about it. I will instruct\nMacGregor that before they approach anyone they should come to me\nand then I will approach you before anything is done. It isn't being\ndone clandestine like. I can only have trouble getting too close to\nthat committee. I think relations between State and the White House\nhave been so good in the past months.\nR:\nand I will tell Eliot to let your staff know.\nK:\nRelations between the State and White House have been so good in the\npast few months and want to continue them.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelCon:12 Noon-9/17/71\nMr. Kissinger/\nTaft Schreiber\nK:\nTaft, how are you.\nS:\nI just wanted to tell you that the list of people - Firestone - is a\nvery fine group and I have a full house for you. I wanted to say\ngood bye and also the Russian Embassy sent back the two sample\nfilms they sent us.\nK:\nThey told us it was being worked on.\nS:\nAnd it is in the process of being worked on.\nK:\nI want to thank you for all the work you have done, getting the\nmaps, phone numbers and everything.\nS:\nWhen you leave could you call my office and give us your appraximate\ntime of arrival so we may have the housekeeper there to open the\ndoor for you.\nK:\nGood. How is your wife. Give my best to all and thanks for every-\nthing you have done. You have been sonice.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelCon:12:04-9/17/71\nSecure Phone\nMr. Kissinger/\nAdmiral Moorer\nK:\nI have two things. Another AP story out of Saigon the President\nmentioned to me on troop withdrawals from military commanders,\nhe is going to change someone out there whether they did it or not.\nM:\nThey know they are not suppose to talk about it.\nK:\nThese can't be just accidents. These stories always generate eight\nweeks before the troop withdrawal announcement is announced.\nM:\nBut they know not to talk. I understand.\nK:\nThe second thing - about these strikes the President wants.\nM:\nWe are all set. There is no problem.\nK:\nUnderstand Pursley(?) is strongly for them. I'm only kidding you.\nM:\nI wanted to talk to you first. I am the only one who is aware of the\nproblem now.\nK:\nI have talked to Laird. It has to be over in one day and you got up\nto 20 miles and if 10 more kilometers helps you go ahead.\nM:\nVinh?\nK:\nI don't want you to go up to X Vinh. Dong Hoi, can you hit that without\ntoo many casualties and you can put every plareinto that area.\nM:\nYes, we can do everything you ask us to do.\nK:\nWell you do everything possible with as many plans as you want. We\nwill call it a protective reaction and do every violence you can do.\nIt will be announced after it is over.\nM:\nWe will do that.\nK:\nAnd put every plane you need into that. You can do whatever you want.\nM:\nWe will do that and we will move it up to the extent of 30 kilometers.\nK:\nGood and you do everything you can with everything you need right away.\nM:\nI will do it sir.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelCon:12:13-9/17/71\nMr. Kissinger/\nThe Vice President\nVP:\nGood morning Henry.\nK:\nMr. Vice President, how are you.\nVP:\nI just had a nice meeting with the Yugoslavian Ambassador. He\nseems to be a nice man.\nK:\nHe will sell you the Washington monument if you want it.\nVP:\nI want to thrust at you for your consideration about some of the\ndifficulties with Sadat\n(?). If you think it will be helpful on my\nIranian trip I could go and talk to Sadat.\nK:\nYou will have the Secretary of State going into orbit.\nVP:\nWell I am not pushing it, I was just asking in case you think it\nmight be helpful.\nK:\nLet me think about it for a day or so. I have recommended that\nyou to go Turkey.\nVP:\nI am waiting for some recommendations,\nK:\nMy recommendation is that it would make your trip easier with the\nIranians\nVP:\nWe will give some thought to this thing. It XXXX\ncould\nbe\ndone\nwith\nno publicity - maybe I could just slip in like you did without publicity.\nK:\nI don't think you can travel in an unpublicized way and I don't think\nthe Arabs can keep a secret.\nVP:\nOh.\nK:\nLet me call you Monday morning.\nVP:\nGood. Good bye Henry.\nK:\nGood bye Mr. Vice President.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelCon: 12: 28-9/17/71\nMr. Kissinger/\nSecretary Stans\nS:\nHello Henry.\nK:\nHow are you. I tell you your bloody industralists will turn me into\na Communist yet. What are the Mack company people doing now.\nS:\nI don't think their parent company ever gave them the OK for the\nMack company to do this deal. They never did submit a formal\napplication.\nK:\nThat is right. I told the Russians one hundred times. It is all\nset with them. They know the game we are playing. You have\nanother application don't you from Satre.\nS:\nI kn don't know if we ever received the application.\nK:\nWell you check it and you get it over to us and we will accept it\nsoon.\nS:\nI will get on this Satre thing right away.\nK:\nBasically we are sympathetic\nI don't have any confidence in\nMack any more.\nS:\nThere are indications that Henry Ford may be talking again.\nK:\nThat is alright with us.\nS:\nI will check into this Satre application right away.\nK:\nGood.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmbassador Rabin\n9/17/71 12:35 p.m.\nR:\ngoing to transmit message from Prime Minister to President\nK: I saw a cable on it.\nR: I haven't yet transmitted it.\nK: No, but I saw the cable from Tel Aviv saying it was going to happer\nR: This is ture.\nK: Leave it at State. There is no advantage in giving it to me.\nR: I WO uld like also to send a copy to you to be sure.\nK: By all means. You send me informally a copy.\nR: Yes, because the official procedure will be through State.\nK: Yes. Did you know Schreiber is in New York today?\nR: No.\nK: He's at the Sherry-Netherland; he has a place there.\nR: I will try to contact him. Did you know we lost a plane at\n30 kilometers within our territory. They got it with SAM missiles, a\nbig transpoet plane. It was, as a matter of fact, an electronic intelligence\nplane. It was found within the range. We lost seven people.\nK: Are you going to do something?\nR: I don't know; I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if\nsomething will happen. Not on a large scale of course but I have no\nnotion. Sunday is New Year's Eve, and it's a big two-day holiday, and\nit might be a decision not to interfere with it, but I don't know.\nK: Have you talked to Rockefeller lately?\nR: No, he is busdy busy with Attica. I will see him in a week or two.\nK: He is usually pretty relaxed.\nR: Is he?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmbassador Rabin\n9/₱ 17/71 12:35 p.m. p. 2\nK: I haven't talked with him lately, but in a crisis he is terrific.\nR: I decided yesterday not to go when I saw the headline.\nK: Generally\nI have always found that once a thing\nis finished and beyond his ability to affect he prefers to turn to other\nthings. It's up to you.\nR: I want to see him, but decided not to because of this problem.\nI thought he would be preoccupied.\nK: You may be right.\nR: Because I am in New York, and hear people talk. It may\nbe the wrong people, but it's quite an exciting issue here. I think he did\nwhat he should have -- he might have waited too long.\nK: That's the worst thing.\nR: Either to negotiate or to act.\nK: But if he had waited much longer every radical in the country\nwould have been at him.\nR: Well, you can't satisfy everyone -- At least I try to satisfy myself.\nK: You certainly haven't done so well at satisfying some of your\ncontacts lately here.\nR: I don't even try.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelCon: 12:55-9/17/71\nMr. Kissinger/\nAlex Butterfield\nB:\nHello Henry. I have Ginger Rogers here in my office and thought\nyou might want to say hello to her.\nK:\nI have about three minutes. I am waiting for someone.\nB:\nShe just got out of the President's office and is ready to leave.\nK:\nI will be right over.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSenator \"Scoop\" Jackson\n9/17/71 3:45 p.m.\nK: I wanted to talk to you because if there's one Senator\nwe don't want to get into public exchanges with it's you. You are not our\nproblem. We have no quarrels with you. When you get back to town, I would\nlike to see if we can have lunch and I will tell you, as candidly as poasibly,\nwhere we are going.\nJ: I am dismayed by the comments.\nK: Did he mention you?\nJ: Yes.\nK: By name?\nX J: You look at the transcript. That's why I had to release that\nletter.\nK: Oh sure. I understand. I would have preferred that you\nhadn't, but that isn't the problem. He didn't have you in mind actually.\nWhat he had in mind was the Montoya resolution.\nJ: I wanted you to read that transcript.\nK: I will read it, but I know what he had in mind.\nJ: When I said I'm going to reserve my options in the future\non economic and military aid, that was to say whether it applies to the\nMontoya resolution or anything. I made the statement in the hope that\nit would help to strengthen the President's hand.\nK: Scoop, there is no other public figure who\nhas done as much for the public interested as conceived in the classical\nliberal sense than you. If you were one of these nihilists, I wouldn't\nwaste time talking to you. I would like to sit down with you and tell you\nwhere we are going. I won't tell anyone that we have met\nJ:\nneither will I.\nK: And it won't oblige you to do anything. I have the greatest\nregard for you.\nJ: That's mutual you know.\nK: I know it is.\nJ: I will get in touch when I get back to town on Monday or Tuesday.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nJohn Scali/Mr. Kissinger\n5:22 p. m., September 17, 1971\nS:\nBill Hearst has an article coming out Sunday mainly quoting\nLe Duc Khoi -- saying the whole Vietnam thing is a charade. I am\nhaving a copy of it sent to me. But I thought you might want to call him.\nK:\nAs long as it's done already, what good will it do?\nS:\nWell, (a) I thought you should know about it, and (b) we don't\nknow but what he has only seen Khoi.\nK:\nIs it already printed?\nS:\nIt's going to be Sunday.\nK:\nIt's too late to stop it. Where is his headquarters -- - LA?\nS:\nYes.\nK:\nI am going to be out there next week. Why don't I see him?\nS:\nSure.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMr. Peterson/Kissinger\n9/17/71 - 6:15 p.m.\nK:\nHello.\nP:\nHenry, I understand you talked to Dick Bator today. I don't know\nhow much time you had with him but\nK:\nWell, they just gave me a 15 minute summary of what they told\nyou.\nP:\nI have something written here that I think is serious. I could get\nit typed up and over to you. Are you coming in tomorrow because\nI think this is a serious problem for us. We have some internal\npolitical problems.\nK:\nDick Cooper mentioned it. My instinct is I am not sure we should\nput a memo in there before we talk with Dick.\nP:\nHow long will you be there? Are you leaving now?\nK:\nIn a little while.\nP:\nAre you coming in tomorrow?\nK:\nYes, I am.\nP:\nWhen can I see you?\nK:\nAbout 9 or 8:30.\nP:\nCould you give us a little time to get it typed up?\nK:\nI am leaving here about 11:30.\nP:\nHow about 10:00?\nK:\nAlright, 10:00.\nP:\nLet's not only think about the President but Connally.\nK:\nYes, but you know I am a great believer in the indirect approach.\nP:\nThe one thing everybody could agree on was to kick us in the rear.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n- 2 -\nK:\nYes, but what he could have done was tell them what we wanted\nand then try to get them to push it not make a proposal to us but\nnot tell them what is acceptable.\nP:\nDo you think the President has any perception of this problem at\nthe moment?\nK:\nNo, and I need him in fighting style tomorrow.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nNIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS PROJECT\nDOCUMENT CONTROL RECORD\nITEM REMOVED FROM THIS FILE FOLDER\nSANITIZED\nA RESTRICTED DOCUMENT OR CASE FILE HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM\nTHIS FILE FOLDER. FOR A DESCRIPTION OF THE ITEM REMOVED\nAND THE REASON FOR ITS REMOVAL, CONSULT DOCUMENT ENTRY\nNUMBER 3\nON EITHER THE DOCUMENT WITHDRAWAL RECORD\n(GSA FORM 7292 OR NA FORM 1421) OR NARA WITHDRAWAL SHEET\n(GSA FORM 7122) LOCATED IN THE FRONT OF THIS FILE FOLDER.\nA sanitized copy substituted for an original item which\nContains information restricted under the Privacy Act.\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION\nNLN FORM 101 (revised 6-85)\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nProfessor Doty\n9/17/71 6:30 p.m.\nD: How are things?\nK: Okay.\nD: Two points: One, I wondered whether you see any business\nahead for us and want to see us. Second is a more oddball and perhaps\nfrivilous thing/ but it is interesting in that it's typical of a number of\npossibilities on the technological front that are developed but not needed\nin Ane rica. At Squibb, they have come across a powerful drug against\nschistosomiasis a disease carred by snails whose effect ranks with\nmalâria.\nK: And used to be incurable.\nD: That's right. It looks like it is an effective drug developed\nby Squibb, but it's not continuing its development because there's no\nhard-currency market here and it's an expensive program to get by\nFDA rules. China is one of the countries that suffers most from this,\nparticularly in the Yangtze Valley. If there's some interest in this for the\nPresident's trip it might be studied on a hurry-up basis.\nK: That's a good idea. How do we go about it?\nD: I would pass it on to David, and get the Squibb people\nin touch. There is someone at Hopkins who is working on this. It's not\nof any use locally, but it is of great potentild use elsewhere and should\nbe looked at. The National Science Foundation\nIf it's pushed on David you could probably get a summary in 10 days or so.\nK: It's an excellent idea and I am going to push it.\nD: I will give the details to David. Is txbrexixex that how I should do it?\nK: No, send them to me first in a letter.\nD: Okay. And is there any business for our group. We had the\nsession in August on SALT matters and then I saw Harold. You saw him\ntoo I take it.\nK: Yes, and your talk with him was very helpful.\nD: Maybe we should schedule another meeting late in September\nK: No, early in October would be better for me.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nProfessor Doty\n9/17/71 6:30 p.m. p. 2\nD: Are there any other things coming in the budget or\nor anything else?\nK: Why don't we review things as they then stand.\nD: Yes, we could have a planning session. That would be\ngood for us.\nK: That's the most productive way. How are things with you?\nD: Pretty Good. Nothing very pressing, just the usual mish-mash\nof not getting the summer's work done.\nK: That's occupational.\nD: How was California? Did you get some rest?\nK: Yes, I like it there oddly enough.\nD: I sent you today the transcript of our meeting.\nK: I'm eager to see it. Arbatov I take it behaved quietly?\nD: Yes\nK:\nSANITIZED\nIt doesn't make any difference.\nD: Yes, but he probably reflects the central committee for what it is.\nK: It's not a leadership with a clear sense of direction.\nD: Yes, and doing Khrushchev like they did\nK: That was cheap. After he was dead, they could have given\nhim credit for his service to the country. That was tawdry.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelCon: 6:40-9/17/71\nMr. Kissinger/\nMr. R. William Hearst\nK:\nI called you for two reasons. I heard about the editorial you are\ngoing to publish on Sunday, but I think the situation is much more\ncomplex. You of course heard only one side of the story.\nH:\nI know that Ky(?) is a representative of\nbut than Ky and I are\nclose personal friends.\nK:\nI have high regards for Ky but it goes far beyond the maneuvering\nthat is going on in Saigon.\nH:\nI am in New York right now.\nK:\nThey told me they got you in Los Angeles - on the West Coast.\nH:\nNo they got me in New York - but I know they got my number from\nthe office in Los Angeles and when they found out it was you calling\nthey got me here.\nK:\nI may be in New York on Wednesday. Maybe I could see you.\nThere are\nH:\nI would appreciate talking to you./ many people who have been for\nthe principles of why we entered this war and a lot of the doves seem\nto have forgotten this. I don't think it is necessary to drop the ball.\nK:\nWhat I would like to do is to explain this story to you. I couldn't\nagree with you more when you say we should not drop the ball.\nWhen my schedule is cleared up for next week - could I call you\non Monday to see when we can get together.\nH:\nCertainly. My number in New York is COlumbus 5-7300. If I should\nbe at home my office can connect you directly there. Or if you\nprefer my number there is area code 914/669-5200. It is not a hotel -\njust a number they gave us.\nK:\nWe will get you one way or the other.\nH:\nTell the President that if I have done him an injustice XX I will go\nK:\nWe are so close - we know where your heart is and I will call you on\nMonday.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified."
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