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TELCON Sisco/Kissinger 5:35 p. m. 9/30/71 S: I am afraid I can 't be very helpful. Secy. and Gromyko went off after lunch and spoke alone. K: How long? S: 40-45 minutes. My suggestion is that you call him directly. I K: Hxxxx Who will tell you more? Gromyko or the Secretary? S: If I were Secretary, which I'm not, I would tell you more.

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