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John Oakes
10/6/71 10:08 m. p. 2
K: I know, this is not malicious or ill=intentioned on your part.
O: I would say for ninety-nine and a half percent certain that the
subbestion in the press hasn't been prompted by anyone. It wasn't leaked
to us, but I would say the inference seemed to be clear, the coincidence
of the statement. The Rogers statement really was, to put it mildly,
a foolish and inconsidered way of putting the thing.
K: I will take the last adjective. It was not a time we would have
picked had we been wanting to make a formal statement. We know, he
knew, everyone knew, the statement would be made on Tuesday.
O: Your fear is
K: My fear is
in terms of our public image it doesn't matter.
It doesn't hurt in this country. But they must think that in good faither
they agreed to something weeks ago, and now they read I am going there
to try to sell them the two-Chinas idea. Then your editorial says some-
one is in charge there after all and this is proved by the fact that Rogers
made them jump. What they did in good faith was turned by us into an
attempt to humiliate them. And since they must have toobble understand-
ing how our government operates anyway
O:
I
do too. I see your point.
K: I doubt that you can do anything.
O: Let me think about that. I do reiterate that the coincidence of
these two
K: I have never called when I objected to your opinion, which I often
do. But this I don't take to be opinion but a statement of fact in which you
make a point that would occur to reasonable men. If you had said this is
insanity, it wouldn't bother me. But this has consequences which you
don't intend. I would say a man, in perfectly good faith, could easily
come to the conclusion that there is a relation. If I thought you were being
deliberately unreasonable I wouldn't have bothered you. I don't call you
to cry foul.
O: I know that. I am aware and appreciative of that.
K: One other thing which was on the boarderline between judgment
and fact that I didn't bother you with. The pieces after the Berlin agree-
ment suggesting that it had been extorted from the White House. If you
had talked to Bahr and others they would have told you the White House
made it possible. I didn't call you at the time because it was a boarder-
line judgment case.
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