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    "ocrText": "TELECON\nHarry Schwarts\n10/6/71 11:40 a. m.\nS: I wanted to tall you\nwe're not supposed to tell who writes the\nTimes editorials but you might not have had to make a phone call this\nmorning if we had been in better communication earlier.\nK: I understand.\nS: We just thought there was art and artifice in what Rogers said on\nSaturday.\nK: There was petulance.\nS: When we have only our own newspaper to go by and no exception\nwas taken to the lead editorial on Monday we have nothing else to say.\nK: I didn't see the editorial on Monday.\nS: It took Secretary Rogers seriously. He is the Secretary of State\nafterall. And by the way, Bob Kleiman doesn't write all the editorials in\nthe New York Times.\nK: Harry, you know what I think of you.\nS: That's what made this so embarrassing this morning.\nK: Let me ask you personally, did anyone lead you into what you wrote?\nS: No. On Sunday I wrote the editorial taking Rogers seriously,\nspeculating about what the hell might be going on in China and so on. assume\nthat when the Secretary of State speaks, especially on this delicate subject,\nhe should be taken seriously.\nK: All I can tell you -- I don't want to get into that issue -- but the\nannouncement was agreed to on September 16, and this was known by the Secretary.\nS: Well, no one tried to lead me in this direction.\nK: Right. But Harry, when a statement of opinion is made, that I don't\neven want to know about. But when a statement of fact is made and you call\nme to check it, that I will return within a few hours.\nS: Okay. My apologies.\nK: No, that's okay. We'll take care of it from here. I think that's the\nbest way.\nS: Okay, and best of luck to you.\nK: Thank you."
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