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Withdrawn and return private and personal material.\nor a libel of a living person.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon returned non-historical material.\nDECLASSIFIED\nNATIONAL ARCHIVESTAN Dobument Declareviewed suant to Executive Order to be declassified.NA\nTELECON\nJack Valenti\n10/15/71 9:05 a. m.\nV: Henry, two things, one very frivilous. One of the reasons why I\nlove you is that you and I have the same instincts, and same yearnings\nK: You are a great fellow, but you don't have my naivete to talk to\nMaxine Cheshire.\nV: That's one of the things I learned in three years there. Give her\none of your Kissinger quips, but don't say a god-damned word.\nK: I wrote the story for her!\nV: I always tell people, look, this is a single man and an attractive\nman, and if I were in his shoes I would be doing the same thing only may-\nbe a little worse.\nHenry, I know you are going to Peking. During the Venice Film\nFestival someone from Peking accosted my man there and said there\nwould be some interest in having me come there. I am willing to take\nsome movie stars and all that and go to Peking if they will take Ameri-\ncan film. I just wanted you to know that they have broached this to us.\nI would do it if there was any chance of their being interested in Amer-\nican films.\nK: Well, I'll tell you. I have a number of individual requests like this.\nThere won't be a formla opportunity to raise it. I don't know about this\ntime the last time I was there, there were no strictly social occasions.\nBut if there is one this time I will mention it.\nV: You know, film is something above and beyond the normal thing --\nit is a common link between people. If there is an interest, I would put\nsomething together. I don't want to do it as a PR trip unless they want to\ntalk about American films.\nK: If there is any opportunity at all\nI have a file of a few key\nthings like this. At a minimum I will ask Chou into what channels we\nshould put such requests.\nV: Good. Mine is not so much a request as a follow-on.\nK: Could you give me the name and the circumstances under which\nthis was raised?\nV: Sure. I'll bring a little memorandum over by hand to your office today.\nK: Good, look in on your bleeding friend.\nV: I'll have it brought over. I tell you what compassion I feel for you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nJack Valenti\n10/15/71 9:05 a.m.\np. 2\nK: I'm just very lucky I don't have LBJ as my President.\nV: If I were a bachelor in his Administration and had done this he\nwould have dropped me off the banks of the Perdernales. You are lucky\nto have such an understanding Chief.\nK: LBJ would probably have done the same himself, but he wouldn't\nhave let you.\nV: Exactly.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRabin/Kissinger\n2:20 p.m.\n10/15/71\nR: Sorry to bother you.\nK: You don't ever.\nR: You remember we once had a long talk about the question of interim settlement.\nI got a telegram today and I am told by her that on the question of terms I have\ngone too far.\nK: I did nothing with it subject to our agreement I have not passed this on\nto anyone. I mentioned it in passing to the President.\nR: On four points I have gone too far. The first is in regard to the U.S.\nposition on the over all statement. I said no pressure and she considered\nthat unsatisfactory. The question of extent\nK: of withdrawal --\nR: In maintenance in requested cease fire and on crossing, I went too far. Since\nI am instructed and since nearly 3 weeks since I have heard from her. This is\nmy instructions to say I did it on my own and went too far.\nK: I understand. I will not get invotved in this. If you thought it would help\nmatters to get it in a different channel I would consider it but you raised it.\nR: I reported it that I raised the question. Second, allow me to XXXX say after\nyesterday it seems that psychologically and politically we are in much poorer\nshape, I would say, if you understand what I mean.\nK: Who is we?\nR: Israel.\nK: Israel, yes.\nR: It's to say psychologically it seems that something given to us by\nstatement but practically nothing.\nK: Roger's statement.\nR: Onthe other hand it will create difficulties not to accept certain procedures\nSisco suggested.\nK: Military\n.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nRabin/Kissinger\n2:20\np.m.\n10/15/71\n-2-\nR: No, Sisco had lunch with the Foreign Minister a few days ago.\nK: Sending of an emissary.\nR: The Foreign Minister said to the Secretary that we cannot agree to that but\nthe statment now puts us in a more difficult position. I don't believe it will\nbe decided in the next week or two.\nK: If you can wait until I get back it will make matters easier.\nR: Because now because of the statement we are in a much more difficult\nposition.\nK: You want to\nsuggesting a XXXX di-ferent involvement.\nR: This is not said in involvement. Cable says I have gone too\nfar in substance and second, not to go on the matter of the option.\nNot to close it but not go forward.\nK: I am the least of your problems here. I will not raise it until\nyou do.\nR: Fine.\nK: No one else will make the suggestion either. You can reassure\nPM there's nothing to worry about and nothing will happen and things\nwill stay in present channels.\nR: For the time being these are my instructions for today.\nK: Tell her not to worry about it. That's what will happen and it's\nmy preference.\nR: I said it in the first report.\nK: Personally it's much easier for me. As far as we are concerned\nnothing more or this subject unless you approach me.\nR: All right. Hope to see you when you get back.\nK: I will be back in 10 days and I hope to see you.\nR: All the best. Hope to see you when you get back.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Rabin/Kissinger\n2:55 p.m.\n10/15/71\nK: I was wondering if you could let me have a copy of your conversation\nwith Sisco since I have trouble locating ours.\nR: There were two. Private talk between Sisco and the Foreign\nMinister on Wed.\nK: Do you have a report?\nR: In Hebrew. I will ask for a summary. The second was talk\nyesterdayxwż with x the Secretary af State.\nK: If I could have both it would help me.\nR: The second one I have in English. Therefore it's easier.\nK: You suit yourself. It's easier when writing for the President\nto have both versions. One I don't have atall.\nR: The private talk I don't know if Sisco has written.\nK: I don't think so.\nR: At the Foreign Minister's initiative. How to proceed. Either\nto send American emissaries to capitols andthere or to bring\nsecretly or in cover of the UN to bring Israeli and Egyptian to NY\nand U.S. will negotiate between the two countries.\nK: That one I know.\nR: I think the other was the same idea. How to put it. The Foreigm\nMinister got instructions before meeting with the Secy. not toagree\nto any of these situations and a decision will be heard in Israel\nbefore answering these.\nK: Right.\nR: The Secy would not raise the problem. Unfortunately, the\nForeign Minister brought it up based on which he held with Sisco\nbut the Secretary practically refrained from answering and was not\ndiscussed yesterday. The Secy said we will be in touch with you.\nThe Secy did not commit himself how to proceed. I will prepare\nsomething and send it to Haig.\nK: I would appreciate it.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Fred Brisson/Mr. Kissinger\n5:44 p.m., October 15, 1971\nK:\nFred, how are you?\nB:\nYou have been traveling?\nK:\nI was in Chicago yesterday, and I'm off on my trip tomorrow.\nB:\nRoz decided not to go. I told her you really would be leaving\nand not to plan on it - it would be too much of a rush anyway. She\nsaid tell Henry we look forward to seeing him the end of October.\nYou will be back between the 25th and 30th?\nH:\nYes. Excellent.\nB:\nMy play [\"Twigs'] opens in New York on Sunday, November 21st.\nPut it on your calendar.\nK:\nI would love to do it.\nB:\nShe's doing her big thing on December 15. [performance of\n\"Nicholas and Alexandra\" at the Criterion Theater benefiting the\nArthritis Foundation of which she is honorary chairman in New\nYork; gala supper dance at the Pla za following the movie, she will\nreceive the Floyd S. Odlum award for efforts in fight against arthritis. ]\nDid you get Dyan Cannon?\nK:\nJust as she was leaving for the West Coast. She said you would\nhave to tell me the number out there. She was going to Malibu.\nB:\nWe will arrange it.\nK:\nI am going out around Thanksgiving.\nB:\nWe have the Eisenhower Hospital opening then.\nK:\nI am going with the President.\nB:\nDon't eat too much. You are leaving tomorrow?\nK:\nSaturday noon.\nB:\nThe news has been very interesting -- the Moscow thing,\nK:\nWe have a lot of balls in the air.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nFred Brisson/Mr. Kissinger\n5:44 p. m., October 15, 1971\n- 2 -\nB:\nKeep your health up. Give me a ring when you return.\nK:\nI will call you on the 26th or 27th when I get back.\nB:\nI will be in Boston, but call my New York office. We will\ntry to arrange something in Washington before Rosalind takes off\nagain.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nPete Peterson/Mr. Kissinger\n6:15 p. m., October 15, 1971\nK:\nJust because you settled the textile problem.\nP:\nI have been talking to Sato trying to patch things up.\nK:\nBut that doesn't entitle you to wait until I get on the phone\nfirst.\nP:\nThe greatest thing you ever said to me was that I was one\nof your peers. It is an enormous step up.\nK:\nFirst you have to buy me and then sell me. Dobrynin\nmentioned the other day someone left a memo with you about their\ntrade decision.\nP:\nYou remember he left it several months ago. It was a\nhysterical thing -- it asked for everything but the kitchen sink.\nK:\nCould you send a copy over here so when he mentions it again\nI will know what he is talking about.\nP:\nYou are terribly tied up?\nK:\nYes.\nP:\nWhen are you getting back.\nK:\nThe 25th.\nP:\nThat long! God! You are hopelessly tied up tonight.\nK:\nPretty much. I'm leaving at noon tomorrow.\nP:\nHow about tomorrow?\nK:\nWe might try for 1/2 hour in the morning.\nP:\nI have to talk with you about expropriation and the whole\nnegotiating business -- I need some help on the surtax, trade and\ndefense.\nK:\nLet's try for 30 minutes tomorrow morning.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nHenry Hubbard/Mr. Kissinger\n7:01 p. m., October 15, 1971\nH:\nThere certainly must be something you can do about Maxine.\nYou have told Kay about what Maxine did in connection with the\ngroundrules and this item?\nK:\nI called her a little while ago. I didn't ask her to do anything\nwith NEWSWEEK.\nH:\nMel Elfin is going to call Mister Bernstein to see what can\nbe worked out.\nK:\nGood. I have the President on the other line. Does that\nimpress you?\nH:\nYou talk to him. We will talk to Mister Bernstein.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPresident Nixon and HAK\nOctober 16, 1971 10:20 a. m.\n(Due to a misunderstanding of who was taking this conversation, the\nfirst half of the telcon was not recorded)\nHAK: They even called the newsmen. They said this to businessmen\nand then they called newsmen to Kosygin could repeat it.\nRN: This must drive Harriman up the wall. They didn't do it to\npast Administrations\neven the Eisenhower Administration- - - of\ncourse, that was a different period.\nHAK: This just says that the approach in the course of.\nin\nWashington was positively received.\nHAK: We had a long talk with the Middle East.\nRN: You consider this position very significant?\nHAK: Yes, I heard it said to me --\nRN: Gromyko repeated it to me\nHAK: They say they will make the commitment that will not organize\nunits and they will have a commitment on either an arms embargo or\ninto Egypt and that this interim settlement should be stretched out and\nthat will keep the Egyptians quiet until the end of the year.\nRN: Do you think the Israelis will squirm?\nHAK: We have to keep Sisco shut off because he is stirring things up to\nforce settlement now and the Israelis won't do it. And Sisco's approach\nwill leave the Russians there. That is the decision we have to make in\nDecember we have to be tough on both sides.\nRN: We can't give the Israelis the moon.\n- more -\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPage 2\nHAK: I think this was due to the success of your outline on the 7th.\nRN: Did you say that Jerry Smith is going fast on the SALT thing?\nHAK: Yes\nthe lwild\nRN: Did he express concern about\nup?\nHAK: He didn't deny it. So our relationship with them are better\nthan they have ever been. They are deluging us with messages on\nthe China trip--offering services.\nRN: You leave at 12:00?\nHAK: Yes:\nRN: Where are you staying in Hawaii?\nHAK: At the Rockefeller Hotel. I think that is the best place - - L.\nRockefeller's house there on Canneal Bay.\nRN: Is the house separate?\nHAK: I will check on that and give you a report.\nRN: That would be nice a private beach and everything.\nRN: Everything else is working on plan--terrific press on textiles.\nHAK: and a good report on Charlotte this has been a very successful\nweek.\nRN: The textile thing really came in just a nick of time. Wilbur\nMills silenced them. This wouldn't have happened if I hadn't been\nquestioned at the Press Conference it gave me a chance to make a\npublic commitment.\n-- You will be in Hawaii Sunday and Monday?\nCall me before you leave Hawaii.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon\nAmb. Dobrynin\n10/16/71: 10:55 a. m.\nD: Are you en route to China?\nK: Not yet - in an hour and a half. I had a good dinner yesterday.\nHorrible for my waistline.\nD: In Hawaii you will be as thin as a girl.\nK: Hawaii doesn't make you thin. I want to see whether they give\nus caviar again. I have talked to the President and we are changing\nk the letter. We are adding a paragraph.\nD: I understand.\nK: I think that will answer the oral note.\nD: That is quite all right.\nK: I referred very positively to the oral note. It reflects essentially\nthe spirit with which he will approach it. There is a paragraph that\npicks up the suggestion you made.\nD: OK.\nK: I have also talked to the President about the other topic. He\napproves our proceeding in that way.\nD: The dates we discussed.\nK: Yes, we will try to get you an answer by November 20 and will\nproceed to talk about guarantees.\nD: OK, fine.\nK: What we all ought to try to do on the main business we discussed\nyesterday is to avoid things running normal course but not to introduce\ntoo many new ideas into other channels. There may be restlessness\non our side but nothing in these ideas of private conversations will\nbe known. It would be useful if you did not put into other channels.\nD: No, No. Unless there was some kind of\nbut in any case I will\nlet you know. But to my knowledge there is no intention. But from\nyour side of course you will go second channel, but with understanding\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-2-\nK: We will go ahead in the second channel because I can't get a\ngrip on it until I get back. I don't see any new element that could\nbring about a change of position.\nD: No, I understand.\nK: I don't see what the new element is.\nD: I understand now. Yes, quite right. I know, that is what you\nmentioned. We will look to the guarantees. Then it would have an\ninterval to think it over once again.\nK: Time for the interim and time for the final.\nD:\nsettle in our own minds and details could be worked out\nlater on. Right.\nK: I will be in touch with you.\nD: What about this letter?\nK: You will get a copy. I have read the paragraph. I will get an un-\nsigned copy sent over to the Embassy this afternoon.\nD: I am going this evening back to New York and I would like to send\nit myself. And then the signed one I will receive Monday or Tuesday.\nHave a nice trip, and take care about yourself.\nK: I shall, and we will work together when I get back.\nD: OK.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n[Sherry Netherlands Hotel,\nTELCON\nNew York El 5-2800]\nRobert Evans/Mr. Kissinger\n7:30 p. m., October 26, 1971\nE:\nWelcome home! You had a nice little journey.\nK:\nIt was fascinating.\nE:\nI am dying to hear about it.\nK:\nIt was very fascinating.\nE:\nYou are busy in Washington.\nK:\nI have really got my hands full right now. How are you?\nE:\nMy private life is coming along fine. The headlines have all been\nabout you.\nabout\nK:\nI found out these goddamn hollywood stories.\nE:\nDisgusting, isn't it?\nK:\nIt's the most humiliating thing that has happened to me.\nE:\nThere is something to be learned from it.\nK:\nI barely know this girl!\nE:\nAll you need is one bad apple.\nK:\nThere is no sense talking about it.\nE:\nHenry, that should be the least thing that should bother you.\nK:\nWhen are you coming east?\nE:\nI am in New York now. Staying at the Sherry Netherlands.\nK:\nYou're in New York now, I see.\nE:\nMy plans are one of two things. This will be a very rough weekend\nfor you and if it is I totally understand.\nK:\nHow would next weekend be?\nE:\nI will be back in California. This weekend would be unfair since you\njust got back.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRobert Evans/Mr. Kissinger\n7:30 p.m., October 26, 1971\nK:\nI am jammed through Saturday night. In fact I might come up.\nE:\nYou are coming up, that's marvelous. Can we get together for\ndinner Saturday night?\nK:\nThat doesn't solve the problem of getting you down here.\nE:\nWe will come down in December.\nK:\nLet's plan for dinner Saturday night.\nE:\nWhen shall we check?\nK:\nI will call you this time tomorrow.\nE:\nGoing to an (Adlee ?) star of the year award party tomorrow night.\nCould you call me maybe say 4:00 p.m. tomorrow afternoon?\nK:\nHow about around 12:00?\nE:\nMaybe I should call you.\nK:\nHow about in the morning?\nE:\nWe are leaving in the morning.\nK:\nHow about Friday morning?\nE:\nFriday morning at 9:00.\nK:\nRight.\nE:\nWe will plan to have a marvelous dinner.\nK:\nDefinitely count on it, it's just a question of working out the details.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nGovernor Reagan/Mr. Kissinger\n7:40 p. m., October 26, 1971\nK:\nI just wanted to bring you up-to-date on what we have done today.\nThe President issued a public blast against the behavior of the\nDelegation.\nR:\nI have only seen the news carrying Bill Rogers' statement which\nmade me urp.\nK:\nYou should have seen the first version! The President issued a\nblast against the undignified, gleeful behavior\nwill affect the\nAmerican attitude. We finally got Rogers to say something at a\nCongressional hearing that it is going to be harder to get money.\nR:\nWhat else?\nK:\nThere are a number of things which we won't announce which I want\nyou to know about but not announce but which will become apparent.\nWe are cutting the UN Development Fund back from $\nto $50 million\nand we will shift more and more of our support to bi-lateral rather\nthan multi-lateral.\nR:\nThe things that are not going to be announced I am out here where\nthe people are, doing things behind the scenes isn't going to impress\nthe people. The people are really pee'd off. They are mad. They\nwant to know why the hell are we even staying in the UN. I go to\nbat on the Peking business but how can I continue doing that without\ngetting into the UN thing?\nK:\nWe don't mind you blasting the UN thing.\nR:\nWhat can I say when my own Republicans say \"What is the President\ngoing to do about it? 11\nK:\nSome of these things are going to become apparent within the next\nfew months.\nR:\nWhy don't we stand up and say what we are going to do; that it is\nno longer an effective body? I am not doing it for me, Henry.\nK:\nI understand that. I can tell you what we are doing XM we are going to\ndo in a quiet way. Bush is to give us a list of the countries that\nbehaved most badly. If they are getting any CIA funds or anything\nlike that, we are going to cut the be-Jesus out of them and we are going\nto cut the UN Development Fund money.\nR:\nEven if he doesn't want to get into specifics, the President has got\nto say we are reviewing the nations\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nGovernor Reagan/Mr. Kissinger\n7:40 p.m., October 26, 1971 -- page 2\nK:\nThat's what the President said today -- on these nations that behaved\nas they did, we are going to have a much harder time now trying to\nget Congressional help.\nR:\nHe should just say he is not going to try to get Congressional help for\nthem. I will be before a group Friday night speaking and I know their\nmood. These people come to me and say we don't agree about the\nPeking visit but have been going along because you have been saying\nthings are all right. They have just said about this latest, \"We are\nsorry. 11 I am talking about solid citizens, staunch citizens. This\nscared the hell out of them. They would like to say unequivocally,\n\"Look, fellows, I have asked the Congress to review this. 11\nK:\nYeah. I understand your point. I understand it. I will call you again\nbefore Friday evening.\nR:\nI realize\nAll I am trying to say is that I am out here where the\nhot line is trying to convey the mood back there. I don't understand\nall your options. I would never suggest walking out of the UN. No\nPresident wants to be the man who may have to say I blew up a chance\nfor peace but he can say it is immoral and dishonest and we are going\nto react accordingly. I will be harassed by the press wherever I go\nasking 'Are you satisfied with what the President has done about this? 11\nK:\nLet me raise this with him again. We are doing almost all of the things\nyou want. There is a slight chance they might send a Delegate this year\nand the situation might be even worse if a Delegate shows up in New York.\nOne thing we would appreciate is your blasting the hell out of UThant.\nHe issued a statement today saying that if they hurried they might be\nable to get the presidency of the Security Council.\nR:\nthe United States veto the fact that they can sit on the Security\nCouncil.\nK:\nThat would be the opposite to what we said.\nR:\nTaiwan. Anything you can relay to him (the President) I know\nthe heat in Washington with the New York Times and the Washington Post\nposes but there is a little America out here that thinks the UN stinks\nto begin with.\nK:\n(laughter) Let me talk to him again.\nR:\nI bet you are not on our sleeping schedule yet.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nGovernor Reagan/Mr. Kissinger\n7:40 p.m., October 26, 1971 -- page 3\nK:\nNo, it takes a while. When did you get back?\nR:\nSaturday morning.\nK:\nIt takes a few days. I will be talking to you. Nice to talk to you.\nR:\nNice to talk to you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Bush/Kissinger\n9:50 a. m.\n10/27/71\nB: Did they give you the worng landing coordinates?\nK: Why?\nB: Don't you remember what you told me? You said if the coordinates were wrong\nyou would blame me. What's up?\nK: I want to understand how it came so easy.\nB: Because we couldn't the emotion.\nK: Did we try with passion? Or just the motions?\nB: Yes, we tried. We had trouble holding (it until you left).\nK: You said you could guarantee you could wait until after I got back and perhaps\nuntil the next week. Even though you could not delay the debate you could add\nmore speakers.\nB: What happned at the end was --\nK: I am talking about before the very end.\nB: You said you didn't want a vote while you were there.\nK: I wanted time between my time there and after I returned. I he never thought it\ncould happen while I was there. I was told the 28th at the earliest and I hoped\n;much after that.\nB: The procedural message we got was the vote on Monday. Instead of a full\nday they had a half day. We had a tremendous list of speakers and we spoke twice.\nI thought the key thing we were talking about was while you were there.\nK: Of course, you wouldn't urge the President to keep me there.\nB: I didn't urge that.\nK: My clear understand was that I wanted the vote held off at much as possible.\nSince the thought the vote could take place while I was there didn't cross my mind,\nI thought it was a maximum amount of time after my return.\nB: Things happening up there so that we can't work out procedures.\nDECLASSIFIED\nK: It should never have gotten that far.\nE.O. 13526, Section 3.5\nN08-50/12356 Per Hr. 11/8/2013\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Libran NARA, Date 6/3/2019\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determine 27 be declassified.\nDECLASSIFIED\nBush/Kissinger\n9:50 a. m. 10/27/71\n-2-\nBWe got OVER AND over again more speakers but just couldn't get the General\nAssembly President to do it our way at the last minute.\nK: My experience with the Department is this. They can drag their feet, go\nthrough the motions, or move with intensity. Everything was done by the rules\nbut not with the intensity of the M. E. thing.\nB: I have never seen such intensity they did to win.\nK: But not to delay the vote.\nB: I have to disagree. They even had a Sat. session. We had Japan to go and\nRomulo and Aichi (?) to go to say we couldn't do that. We had 80-90 speakers.\nK: I want an understanding. But I don't like it. I never thought Cyprus and\nTurkey with a Greek minority would vote with us.\nB: Their President said they would.\nK: Their President is a liar. I said Belgium and\nand\nare (lost).\nB: I never heard that.\nK: Marshall Wright can tell you. I could have gone through that list. Omar and\nQuatar, I don't know how those maniacs vote. The President has called me.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger\nMartin Mayer\n10/27/71; 6:20 p.m.\nM: Thank you for calling me.\nK: Thank you for sending me a copy of the article.\nM: I hope you weren't too unhappy.\nK: No, not at all since it is fairly favorable. I think it is a good article.\nI have a few things I want to point out. The disagreement with the\nKennedy Administration was not over how to defend Europe but about\nthe relationship between the U. S. and Europe. Actually more in the\npolitical I was not opposed to a XMXXXXXXXX reliant Europe\nM: No problem about that.\nK: The other thing -- if I said Christina Ford is a great fan of mine\nI must have meant it as a joke. It would be very embarrassing thing.\nM: Okay, okay, very good. I understand.\nK: On the other quote about Richardson this I did say but I said it\nin relation to something the implication that he\nwas better than I would make him worse. I was trying to explain to\nyou why two committees with the same membership why one of them\nworked out better under my chairmanship than his. What I was trying\nto say from every respect he was just as good as I. If I would have\nmade a comment about his quality this would have been an arrogant\nstatement. I frank1 y don't believe he is better than I in foreign policy.\nNor do I deny that I am vain.\nM: Let me look into that. I don't want to promise you that. Vanity\nis not the same as arrogance vanity is a self-image. I am not going\nto give up on this one because I think it is a characteristic that many\npeople who know you find in you and I do too, but it doesn't bother us\nbut it does get mentioned.\nK: I would not deny that it is true. Except in this case it would not\nprove your point. I have two other ones which concern the same person.\nGloria Steinem you will just trigger that maniacl girl into protestations.\nIf you just mention Barbara Howar. Especially the second time you\nuse her name.\nM: The second one -- oh, yes.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger\nMartin Mayer\n10/27/71; 6:20 p.m.\n-2-\nK: I am mentioning this for your information on page 5 where\nyou speak about the President and after the JCS and Defense Department\nhave made their presentations as it happens on that sort of issue,\nyes. It never happens that\nwe would make a decision in which they then don't get called in.\nM: I see.\nK: There is no doubt that I have more of a chance to present my view\nthan they do. It is also true that I go to extraordinary lengths not to'\npush my view.\nM: From the point of view of people sitting in the departments this\nis the way it looks to them which I think is the context here.\nK: It doesn't bother me. I merely do this out of a sense of accuracy.\nOn Eliot maybe he held a job in Geneva but that's the first I heard\nabout it\nM: I will check that further tomorrow morning. This is a recollection\nI had before you had a class with him.\nK: The impact he made on me was because of Washington not Geneva.\nOn page 9 my relations with the Rockefeller brothers came through\nNelson not through David and I met Nelson when he called me back in\n1955 when he was an advisor to Eisenhower on \"where to go in our\nforeign policy after the first Geneva Summit. \" On page 10 I have\na problem. I know doubt said what you have and my enemies no doubt\nwill use this.\nM: That's where you say I could make a mistake but\nK:\nthe reason I like Nelson so much\nTake Nixon out of the\nparagraph. If you can say my heart is\ntake that out.\nM: That's very human\nK: On page 12, a purely accuracy point I don't get a formal briefing\nevery morning. I get a written briefing every morning and in crisis\nperiods I do get an oral briefing.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger\nMartin Mayer\n10/27/71; 6:20 p.m.\n-3-\nM: About how often in a week?\nK: In crisis situations, every day during the week and then I could\ngo without getting any So, if you say on the average. about two\na week. On the picture phone while this makes me look good, they\nwere all removed including mine. The only other point I have is\nabout alleged failure to take people into see the President. I don't\nknow what I would do if this were another President. The President\njust will not see other people. If I told him I wanted to bring a staff\nmember he just doesn't function this way.\nM: Kennedy never wanted to see people nor did McNamara -- but you\ncan force them.\nK: You can force different views on Nixon by paper. To confirm his\nviews you don't have a case to bring someone in.\nM: I've been told Haig goes in quite often.\nK: Yes, I now have gotten him to accept Haig. Haig goes to 30%\nof the meetings now so Haig has a lot of access to him.\nM: People have told me Haig has access.\nK: Haldeman doesn't take anyone in. Ehrlichman doesn't. Cabinet\nmembers complain they can't get in.\nM: I will see what I can do.\nK: You mention it twice.\nM: This is something that many people bring up.\nK: Right. On the other hand more papers go in than ever before.\nOtherwise, I thought it was a sensitive article.\nM: That's a kind comment. Thank you for taking the\ntime to read it so carefully.\nK: I have not read it -- never!\nM: Wild horses cannot draw it out of me.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger\nMartin Mayer\n10/27/71; 6:20 p.m.\n- ...\nK: Will in appear in December?\nM: It will be the January issue and will appear in December.\nK: I hope to see you sometime.\nM: I am coming to Washington again. When I come I will drop you\na note. But you probably won't have the time.\nK: I will certainly have time on some of your trips.\nM: It was great doing the piece.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified."
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