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TELCON Gerard Smith/Kissinger 5:22 p. ,m. 11/4/71 S: I appeared before Jackson yesterday. Did he say something last night. K: Said politically not acceptable to make deal you have in mind. S: prefer a 2-1. NK: As much as I like you on this issue you are an addict. S: I want to report to you what leading senators say. I am not advocating anything. K: He is violently opposed to offensive. He doesn't see why we make a treaty on offensive and nothing on defensive. Mc S: Ask him why a moratorim on submarines. K: I don't dougt he said it. I am sure this is his view. S: I don't think unacceptablity of other is much. K: I am on your side on this arguement with Defense. I wouldn't say that anything like that is acceptable. S: I don't think Defense thinks so either.

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