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Secretary Laird
11/9/71 p. 2
L: Never. I don't know what makes people think Helms has anything to do
with this. I have to support
K: You ought to raise hell with Shultz.
L: I'm not going to raise hell with anybody; I'm just not going to
cooperate.
K: Come on Mel.
L: God-damn right I'm not.
K: What sto you mean you're not going to cooperate?
L: I just won't. My committee up there
You have to
in the Hoase and the Senate. They weren't even told. They're so god-damned
mad. I'm up there trying to straighten it out, and how they can be so XXNXXX
stupid I don't under. I'm not letting them know I didn't know.
K: Well, I am not the Director of the Office of Management.
E: You can't do things they way in this town.
K: I thought this had all been discussed with the interested agencies,
L:
No.
K: I don't give a damn from my own point of view.
L: That isn't the point. On something that affects my agency, if you
are not my point of contact in the White House who can I rely on?
K: I thought you knew.
L: Hell no.
K: I thought Smith and Schlesinger sat down with your people
L: Hell no. I said 'you haxgx have got to give me at least a week. 1
I spent 15 days morning and afternoon testifying on this program. They are
so gad-damned mad it's pathetic.
K: I call you up to ask you something and then I get you upset. Are
you calm enough to listen to a question?
L: I know what you are going to talk to me about.
K: What am I going to talk about?
I: Transferring Phil over.
K: You have got my room bugged. Can I talk to him?
L: That's all right. But Haig already talked to him, and so did Smith.
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