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TELCON
- 5 -
Henry Hubbard/Mr. Kissinger
8:05 p.m., December 16, 1971
K:
As the crisis got worse, not at the beginning but where it reached
the point when the [heads of governments] became involved. We
brought it to the conclusion that was attainable.
H:
It is difficult to argue with what it now considered success.
K:
We turned a disaster into a net-minus.
H:
Well phrased.
K:
I am not claiming success of what had the capacity of being an enormous
disaster has put into containable limits.
H:
Soviet supported Indian aggression.
K:
In the case of military, active. I think I have stayed away from the
word aggression.
H:
You used it, we didn't.
K:
I mean I haven't pressed on it.
H:
Have we all overlooked
K:
On a Lindley Rule basis, if there is still people to use it with.
H:
It is easy to use it with one man but not with 150.
K:
The Lindley Rule inconsistent with the Pool report. I blew it, I was
just damn stupid, therefore, I am not claiming
.
H:
Is that n-the-record, that you blew it?
K:
No, no; you are not going to write about this?
H:
No, I wasn't calling you about that. I wasn't going to use anything you
said without your authorization. Oh, hell -- let's forget about that,
it is not that important a story. It is over and done with and you
needn't concern yourself with that. I am really interested in the
Soviet-US. relationship.
K:
On the Lindley Rule, you have to say it is worrisome. If you read
what I said in the backgrounder about U.S. -Soviet relations, you will
see that I was being very, very careful not to use unilateral advantage.
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