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Joe Kraft/Mr. Kissinger
10:15 a. m., April 9, 1972
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K:
This was a very far-sighted plan to really put to us -- to show
that when all is said and done, the Soviets can challenge the U.S. first
in the Subcontinent and in Southeast Asia, and when we come to Moscow
we are coming in total weakness. The other theory is they see the
opportunity to out-maneuver Peking in Hanoi. Hanoi keeps bleeding
equipment out of them and they don't have enough intelligence to know at
what point their equipment becomes overwhelming; also they don't know
a big offensive is planned and they get sucked in. I am tempted to
believe the latter one. But I draw no consolation from it. I would
rather have a formidable enemy.
Kr:
It's not the kind of equipment in volume that would enable
them to make a decisive judgment.
K:
I am assuming they don't know what is going on in the south.
Kr:
The SAM's?
K:
Yes.
Kr:
Roadbuilding?
K:
Yes. Suppose they believe what we are saying. I am trying
to put the case for blundering rather than a master-plan. Suppose
they believe we are winning in the south and they want to maintain a
balance. Assuming what they really want is to keep going, that makes
a maximum dependence of Hanoi on them. A victorious Hanoi -- they
can't count on gratitude. If Admiral Moorer had the general idea
we wanted to support a country for political reasons, he would keep
pouring things in. He wouldn't know where it crossed to a smashing
superiority. Would prefer it to be a conspiracy. If they slid into that
we are worse off in many ways. My interpretation may be the softer
one. I don't know they planned the India/Pakistan war, but they made
it inevitable.
Kr:
Yes, and there's '67, too. This is a repeated pattern.
K:
We have been low-keying it because we don't want to create
expectations which would box us in. We have approached the Summit
as a major turning point in relations with them -- not just a meeting.
One way or the other, we thought Vietnam would be out of the way or
would evolve where the outcome would be irrelevant to this even if it
was a Communist victory. I would much rather have a conspiracy.
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