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Joe Kraft/Mr. Kissinger 10:15 a. m., April 9, 1972 - 3 - K: This was a very far-sighted plan to really put to us -- to show that when all is said and done, the Soviets can challenge the U.S. first in the Subcontinent and in Southeast Asia, and when we come to Moscow we are coming in total weakness. The other theory is they see the opportunity to out-maneuver Peking in Hanoi. Hanoi keeps bleeding equipment out of them and they don't have enough intelligence to know at what point their equipment becomes overwhelming; also they don't know a big offensive is planned and they get sucked in. I am tempted to believe the latter one. But I draw no consolation from it. I would rather have a formidable enemy. Kr: It's not the kind of equipment in volume that would enable them to make a decisive judgment. K: I am assuming they don't know what is going on in the south. Kr: The SAM's? K: Yes. Kr: Roadbuilding? K: Yes. Suppose they believe what we are saying. I am trying to put the case for blundering rather than a master-plan. Suppose they believe we are winning in the south and they want to maintain a balance. Assuming what they really want is to keep going, that makes a maximum dependence of Hanoi on them. A victorious Hanoi -- they can't count on gratitude. If Admiral Moorer had the general idea we wanted to support a country for political reasons, he would keep pouring things in. He wouldn't know where it crossed to a smashing superiority. Would prefer it to be a conspiracy. If they slid into that we are worse off in many ways. My interpretation may be the softer one. I don't know they planned the India/Pakistan war, but they made it inevitable. Kr: Yes, and there's '67, too. This is a repeated pattern. K: We have been low-keying it because we don't want to create expectations which would box us in. We have approached the Summit as a major turning point in relations with them -- not just a meeting. One way or the other, we thought Vietnam would be out of the way or would evolve where the outcome would be irrelevant to this even if it was a Communist victory. I would much rather have a conspiracy.

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