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Sen. Javits/M Kissinger
9:32 am - Oct. 28, 1972
K:
Hello
J:
Henry
K:
Right, how are you?
J:
Good morning, how are you? Look you were absolutely brilliant. I
hear nothing but rave reviews.
K:
Aren't you nice.
J:
I mean It. It's just terrific. I would hope that you would not mind
if I don't come down to the
K:
Oh, for God's sake's don't. Between you and me, I'm going to try
to cancel that briefing. Because I don't want to politiciz that.
What do you think?
J:
Let me give you my explanation on the House thing, which is the one
thing I wanted to convey to you, and then I think that may help you come
to a judgment. You see, I am asked constantly in all kinds of ways,
how is it that you, Senator, who have advocated withdrawal for years
are now with the President on this matter, and don't you believe that
he should have done what he is doing now four years ago. And I say
no I do not because it must be clear that the American people did not
buy my thesis, they one bought the President's thesis through the Congress
and
who votes XOXI what/knows of the opinions and polls in the country. Having
bought the President's thesis, to wit, Vitnamesation, release POWs,
South Vietnam to have the opportunity to determine its own future form
of Government, we find that the President's thesis has come to maturity
now, not four years ago. It couldn't be done four years ago.
K:
That's exactly right.
J:
It has now come to maturity, this is it; the timing, I can't tell you say I,
the timing is off by six weeks or a month, but this is generally the time.
Now it's ready, according to the President. It is SO ready, I say, that
in my opinion if you won't go along and do what ought to be done, he may
be overrulled. But then the President will not over rule him as I would
have, by just pulling out. He's overrulling them because the President
finds that he is really, even if he doesn't think so.
K:
Right.
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