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TelCon Murray Marder/Mr. Kissinger 2:40 pm - Oct. 28, 1972 K: Hello. M: Hello, Murray Marder, Henry. nHow are you? K: Okay. M: Henry, could you give any guidance on the possibility of initially and then proceeding or signing and proceeding-- K: No. I mean we won't do it. M: M: I was going to be cautious about that, but I couldn't get back to anyone yesterday and mention it, but with that uncertainty--that would apply to either one, anything our signing? K: That's right. But, I don't know what it means that you initial something and then proceed to renegotiate it. M: Well, they tell me that this, of course, has happened before on many things. I happen to know of anything as momentous as an ending the war agreement, though. K: Well, I have a ffirmedefexxexixe the essential provisions in the press con- ference and they know we don't want to change the basic structure. M: Uh huh. Do you really think this is any barrier here at the present time? K: No. M: Anything said by Nuyen while in Paris that means anything fundamental from your position. K: No. Because we base ourselves on direct communication we get from them and I don't know what their spokesman said in Paris. M: Uh huh. Is there any guidance on the news of the resumption? K: No. But, you know, Murray, you got through four years of this like keeping your eye on the big picture. I really wouldn't play this game of taking the temperature every ten minutes to see if it was up a degree or down two degrees. You really know enough to know that having come 90 percent of the way, it would be highly improbable to get it kicked over - over an arbitrary signing date,

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