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TELCON
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Marvin Kalb/Mr. Kissinger
11:34 a.m., November 13, 1972
HK:
I haven't seen it yet. But I don't want to go into -- I just can't talk
about the actual negotiations.
MK:
Yeah. Well, the trouble right now is that everybody -- not you --
I mean, everybody in my group is talking like hell and you don't
even know whether they're talking sense.
HK:
You mean journalists?
MK:
Yeah. (laughter)
HK:
I tell you 98% are not talking sense.
MK:
Yeah. You know, you read this stuff and you just don't know --
HK:
I know. It must be terribly maddening but there just isn't enough
that's valid.
MK:
Do you still feel that the business of a single detailed substantive
session could do it?
HK:
Well, it could break the back of it and then there will have to be
consultations afterwards.
MK:
Um-humm. With the South Vietnamese
HK:
Right. And maybe some exchanges with the North Vietnamese.
MK:
Um-humm. Direct face to face or could that be done --
HK:
That might be done by messages.
MK:
Yeah. And do you have a sense of the possibility of the ceasefire
a.round this month?
HK:
I just don't want to put a time limit on it.
MK:
Right, right.
HK:
But I have no reason yet to change my original judgment that it can
be done in a matter of weeks after negotiations resume.
MK:
Right. Well, I sure wish you luck. Thank you, Henry, very much.
HK:
But after this is over, I'11 pick some country that caves after a week.
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