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Jerry Schecter/Mr. Kissinger
9:30 p.m., December 14, 1972
S:
Well, no, they say it took two days before you got the draft and then he
held it for two days and then there was
K:
When I got there?
S:
No, not when you got there. That when you got there, I don't know whether
you didn't have -- The way they say it, is that you didn't show it to them.
K:
That's a flat total lie.
He got it within an hour of my getting there
S:
Well, that's what this thing has.
K:
Well, look, for that we have 25 witnesses. Hell, we went over the whole
draft the next morning at an NSC meeting -- at a Vietnamese NSC meeting.
And it isn't true that he held it because all the members of the NSC had it.
I mean, that's not something that can be discussed, that's a fact.
S:
Well, okay. I mean, that's great.
K:
Look, Bunker will confirm this.
S:
Listen, Henry, I don't --
K:
Abrams will confirm this.
S:
All I need is you. I mean, I've got -- You know, I am in a position where
I have nothing to work on and I've got -- I mean, I don't pick this stuff up
on the street. These guys presumably, you know -- mean, they don't have
all the details to say the least. But look, I don't want to -- I know you are
exhausted and I just --
K:
Who puts that out? State?
S:
No, no.
K:
The Vietnamese?
S:
Yeah. But at some point before all this gets away from us, I would like
to talk to you if I could.
K:
Okay.
S:
Okay.
K:
Right. Nice to talk to you. Bye.
S:
Bye.
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