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19 P: (cont'd) You know, he can throw up a lot of red herrings or he can throw up some things which make it impossible for him to cave. K: My judgment is -- Haig's view was that he was giving us stuff in a low key way so that he could cover himself with his opposition. P: I just can't imagine there's much Hawk opposition in Vietnam. K: Oh, yeah. P: Is there? K: Yeah. P: We know that? K: Their Hawks are as irresponsible as our liberals. P: And what do they want him to do? K: Win. Particularly after over. P: Yeah. Well, they're pushing him to go in and continue fighting, is that it? K: That's right. Or at any rate, accuse him of having sold out. P: Yeah. Who leads the Hawks? K: Well, some military and I guess mostly military some militant Catholics. P: Catholics you say? K: Yeah. P: Why in the hell doesn't somebody get after them? Somebody -- some of our people, they work on them. What the hell's Bunker doing out there? Anything? K: Well -- P: Does he talk to such people? K: Well, Bunker has so concentrated on dealing with the Palace that he's not really been effective with these groups. P: I see.

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