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I think theevolution is likely to be a postponement of the real battle
to the Presidential elections of '76. And it will probably be a battle
between Mitterand and whoever the other coalition puts up. If
Pompidou wants to run again it'11 be him. If for some reason, health
or other, he decides not to run, my guess is that on the second ballot
it would be a
You know it's like the legislative one,
there's a run-off.
K:
Yeh. Yeh. You think it would be Giscard d'Estaing
?
H:
Well, I don't see at this point where the Gaullist properly so-called
having anybody who could out-poll Giscard in a primary on the first
ballot.
is probably the most popular of the Gaullists
and is the only one who could probably give Giscard a run for his money.
But in all of the poll S so far Giscard is always ahead.
K:
But would the Gaullists run two candidates?
H:
Yes, if Giscard wants to run I think they would have to run two. I don't
think it depends on the Gaullists as much as it does on Giscard and if
he does have Presidential ambitions this time when he'll be 49, nobody
will stop him nor do I see the Gaullists letting him on the first ballot
run without a Gaullist also running.
K:
Yeh, but that's still three years away.
H:
That's three years and it means that during these three years he can
do whatever - Pompidou has a solid majority and doesn't really need
the reformers so-called.
K:
He doesn't need Giscard now?
H:
He does need Giscard very much but that's not new. After '67 the
Gaullists properly so-called did not have a majority either and needed
Giscard and it didn't work so badly.
K:
Yeh.
H:
Giscard on the whole, and I listened to his top aide yesterday who is
a rather aggressive anti-Gaullist
,
Penyatofsky (sp. ?),
they have absorbed at least one lesson which is that their strength
and unity even if they don't like their allies they're not going to betray
them because they stick themselves on the Presidential system.
K:
How did Giscard wind up with an independent group? I've never.
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