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Telcon - San Clemente
4-2-73
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HAK
- Hal Sonnenfeldt
HAK: Hal, I just talked to Dobrynin. He is shedding bitter tears over
the phrase "conditions in which nuclear war would not be justified".
I told him he should wait 24 hours before transmitting it; I'll talk to
the President again, which doesn't mean that we'll have to change it.
You know there is in fact an argument to be made that even if we are
going to drop it out we could drop it out in Moscow.
Sonnenfeldt: Well, I started to talk to you and I got off the subject. There
is a real question you know on the way things are going now. What the hell
you are going to do there. And there is a chance if we hang in there and
tell them that this is just how its got to be that they may accpet it.
HAK: And there is an advantage in showing the British we submitted it.
Sonnenfeldt: Yes, because we're going to have a big problem when this
thing surfaces SO we might as well show the agony that we went through.
Because it's in there twice now, in the preamble and the article.
HAK: Which is one reason why we could drop it from the article.
Sonnenfeldt: Yes, I think though that their objection is largely bureaucratic
and can't really be substantive because they got the first sentence and this
thing is almost total logical.
HAK: Well no, I think the trouble they have is that Gromyko had rejected
that sentence when we put it in the declaration
Sonnenfeldt: But then it was the SALT sentence.
HAK: I know, but I can just see how
will point out to him that
we are sneaking back the sentence again. But can you think about just
what the operational significance of that paragraph now is?
Sonnenfeldt: The first paragraph?
HAK: Yes, and let's talk about it tomorrow.
Sonnenfeldt# OK.
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