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Page 2 - -one on the politics and one on the security. The two people I had in mind was a fellow named Gelp who was at Brookings and came out of Defense HK: Yeh, I know him. SH: And the other is Brezinski-- HK: I would rate Brezinski about Gelp , but Gelp isn't bad. SJ: See I need one for each--or would you use Brezinski for both? I bxxx need a really informed military fellow and I think that's where we have got the biggest clout HK: Let me think about that. SJ: This could be a really excellent channel for really top level pronouncement- you see the Europeans resent any joining of security and economics, so a report like this, they would simply face the facts not a theory. HK: Yeh. Jack, I unfortunately, have to run off right now. Iwill call you in a couple of days. SJ: That's fine, thank you so much.

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