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Joe Califano/Mr. Kissinger
5:55 pm, May 2, 1973
K:
Hello.
C:
Hi, Henry, how are you?
K:
Okay. You were pretty prophetic, weren't you?
C:
In what way?
K:
Remember when I ran into you in the street and you said you were going
to get well on the Watergate case. And I said isn't that dead? And
you
explained to me that judges read newspapers.
C:
(laughter) Yeah. It's very sad though.
K:
Well, it's now getting to beyond -- I don't really want to talk about it
until it's run its course. But it's really now reaching a point where one
has to ask one's self what good is achieved?
C:
Yeah. Well, the problem is, I mean, the thing that's killing -- and
it's going to keep it going for a year in my judgment -- is the monumental
nature of the cover-up by whomever; by whomever.
K:
Yeah.
C:
And the other thing, I'll tell you, you know people don't think through
the fallout. You know that the Democratic Left -- the crazies, if you will
--
are going to think they were cheated and they're not going to realize --
this would be against human nature and their human nature, particularly
to think that they would have lost anyway.
K:
No, it's a problem for you too. Because what seemed to be settled at
the last election within the Democratic Party.
C:
Wide open again, Henry.
K:
Can open up again.
C:
It will, it will. I mean, if you just psychologically put yourself in the
position of George McGovern as he wins in South Dakota and now he's
been given what to run on in South Dakota -- I told you how corrupt it was
back there.
K:
Yeah
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