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K: This time he made it very clear that he was in charge. When I first
met him in 1972 he followed his briefs more. I mean he was bound by
briefs he had in front of him. Now he speaks extemporaneously.
Kt: Now, does this reflect a greater confidence in his personal position or
a greater grasp of his material? Has he grown as someone who is dealing
with foreign policy?
K: Has he grown?
Kt: I mean, a man can be less tied to a brief either because he feels he
is the sole leader or because
K: No, he is more confident.
Kt: How much does he depend on Alexandrov?
K: No, Alexandrov wasn't much in the meetings here. I would have said
here he referred more to Gromyko, but there were many meetings where
he and the President and I met alone and there were a few where he and
the President met alone.
Kt: And.
K: Alexandrov to my recollection was not present at any meetings.
Kt: Now at any meetings, or at any of the plenaries.
K: Well, he was present at two plenary meetings. But, now let run through
them. At the President's office, he wasn't present. At Camp Da vid, he was
present at one meeting but not at two others. And he wasn't present at either
of the two long meetings at San Clemente. And he wasn't present at the
airplane.
Kt: He wasn't?
K: I mean, he was on the airplane.
Kt: But notrup in the compartment.
K; Right.
Kt: Third and last. The guys who came here from Moscow were, I think
very strong in the belief that Brezhnev group really needed or wanted something
gold plated on the trade subject to take home and it doesn't seem to me that
he got it, at least not publicly.
K: Well, you know, I am struck, if I may be candid with you, by how the press
has a tendency to raise a certain expectation. Then when it doesn't happen
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