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3 K: Mansfield is in Paris and he's been asking for briefings which are designed to illicit that we don't need so many forces over there. P: In Europe? K: Yeh. That's going to be his next thing. P: We can hang tough on the MBFR. K: Oh yeh, absolutely. P: We'll have to beat him. K: Absolutely. I think once we can get back to fighting substantive issues we'll gain the upper hand. P: That's right. That's right. Well, we'd better. We've got the month of July and thank God the month of August is going to be relatively quiet. You'll be gone. K: I'11 be gone just a week at most. P: But the Congress111 be gone. K: Right. P: We can then do some things on our own. K: Exactly. P: Approximately when do you figure the European thing starts to come off. When do we have to put for sake of planning? K: I would think for the end of October. P: End of October. That's plenty soon enough. We've got a lot of work to do. K: Yeh, exactly. There's a helluva lot of work to do. if P: Incidentally, / the Latin thing comes up we're just going to have to push that until early 1974. I just can't K: Well, Mr. President, I have yet to see a mission to Latin America that didn't cause more trouble than it was worth. P: That's right. NNN 04-01/7:3]

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