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TELCON
July 2, 1973
Mr. Kissinger - Irving Lazar
12:48 p.m. cont.
L: direction question
I will give you a direct answer and that is this:
unequivocably the watergate situation makes the enterprise --enhances the
enterprise for one thing--makes it far more dynamic, not that the other
wouldn't have been but that as a dimension which is in addition rather than
in some way a deletion or in any way removes some of the attraction.
K: I appreciate this.
L: Not
when I think about you I think about you and in relation to your
project and the possibilities and potentialities and where it could be in
any way diminished and I assure you
this is not off the top of my head,
I've thought about it many times
I can only tell you that, in the first place,
if it does anything it enhances the project. And everything I've told you I've
never pursued in accordance precisely with your directions to do more than
listen and in my listening I've come to the conclusion that it was always cont-
conservative and fair and will not be embarrassed when the chips are down.
Which means a lot to me.
K: Well, that I won't hold you to.
I just wanted to get a rough estimate.
L: You haven't got a rough one. You've got a clear cut.
K: Right. Because some basic decisions of mine will be somewhat.
L: It is a clearcut response to what you've asked me.
K: Good, I appreciate it, Irving. It was good to see you yesterday.
L: I'm delighted always at the joy of seeing you. I'll look forward to seeing
you are the Ziffren's and the only reason I never talk to you about anything
K: No, I don't want you to.
L: If you don't want me to
SO I don't.
K: No, no, I don't want you to. And the only reaso n I asked you this was because
I'll have to do some thinking when these hearings are over.
L: OK, that's marvelous. Of course, that may be two years.
K: No, after Ehrlichman, Mitchell and Haldeman have testified the basic facts
will be out.
L: You've Straughn, Mitchell, Haldeman, Ehrlichman
and then a recap of
about 5 more people
Moore. You've got about 14 or 15 people as I see it.
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