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    "ocrText": "TELCON\nGeorge Shultz/HAK\nSeptember 18, 1973/4:01 p.m.\nK:\nGeorge.\nS:\nHi Henry.\nK:\nI hope you realize this that you might as well enjoy this for another\nweek or SO. I'm not getting on the phone first. As soon as I get sworn\nin I'm calling all my colleagues and put them on first.\nS:\nRight.\nK:\nCause we've got to have a little discipline around here.\nS:\nI'm shocked that my Secretary let that happen. I've instructed her\notherwise.\nK:\nGeorge, I had a phone call from McNamara who had heard a rumor that\nyou had gone to the President and asked him to commit himself to give\nus his support for the IDA replenishment and that the President turned\nthat down. I don't know whether that's true. Now my view on this\nmatter remains what it was. It is absolutely senseless to ask the\nPresident for an abstract commitment. He'll never give it. The time\nto do it is when the issue is concrete. Then he will do it if you and I\nurge it.\nS:\nWell, I talked to the President about it because we have to take a position.\nOn Saturday, this coming Saturday.\nK:\nBut we have to be fore it.\nS:\nWell, we are for it.\nK:\nOh good. Are you going to tell this to McNamara.\nS:\nWe will but we just can't be fore it because the Congress is not only\nchilly, the Congress is ice cold on this subject.\nK:\nYeah, but we've got to do it. We've just got to fight it and I know the\nPresident will say 100 times he is against but he won't do anything with\nCongress.\nS:\nWell, he didn't say that, I was the only person there SO how does McNamara\nknow what I talked to the President about.\nK:\nWell, that's what I would like to know. Well I don't give a damn whether\nMcNamara is right. I just want to stress my strong view that we gamble"
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