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Pending or approved claim that release would violate an individual's\nF. Release would disclose investigatory information compiled for law\nrights.\nenforcement purposes.\nD. Release would constitute a clearly unwarranted at the Richard Nixon Presidentla G, Withdrawn and return private and personal material.\nor a libel of a living person.\nreturned non-historical material.\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nDOCUMENT WITHDRAWAL RECORD [NIXON PROJECT]\nDOCUMENT\nDOCUMENT\nNUMBER\nTYPE\nSUBJECT/TITLE OR CORRESPONDENTS\nDATE\nRESTRICTION\nof\nTclcon\nHAK and James Schlesinger (1p.)\n1/8/74\nDA\nSANITIZED\n3\nTelcon\nHAK and Brent Scowcroft ((p.)\nSANITIZED\n1/8/74\nD\n4\nTelcon\nHAK and Ambassader Cromer (3pp.)\n1/9/74\nB\n5\nTckon\nHAK md Ambassador Cromer (1p.)\n1/9/74\nB\nFILE GROUP TITLE\nBOX NUMBER\nKissings Transcripts Telephone Conversations\n24\nFOLDER TITLE\n1974 8-10 Jan. 5\nRESTRICTION CODES\nA. Release would violate a Federal statute or Agency Policy.\nE. Release would disclose trade secrets or confidential commercial or\nB. National security classified information.\nfinancial information.\nC. Pending or approved claim that release would violate an individual's\nF. Release would disclose investigatory information compiled for law\nrights.\nenforcement purposes.\nD. Release would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of privacy\nG. Withdrawn and return private and personal material.\nor a libel of a living person.\nH. Withdrawn and returned non-historical material.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential | ibrary\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION\nDECLASSIFIED 0; 1989-235-084/00024\nNA 14021 (4-85)\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGeneral Scowcroft/Secretary Kissinger\nJanuary 8, 1974\nS: On the Nat Davis thing. Jerry Jones is doing them. He thinks it is\neasier for him to make the contacts.\nK: OK.\nS: George Gowan called who talked with Al about the Presidential letters.\nWho can I work with at State on this? Who is handling it.\nK: Donaldson. But they are only to announce the fact of the letters.\nNot release them.\nS: Announce tomorrow.\nK: That the President has sent letters to the following consuming\ncountries and the members of the EC.\nand the Secretary of State\nhas invited the Secretary-General of the OECD, because he is on my\nlevel.\nS: And the letters will be released Thursday morning and you and Simon\nare giving a joint-conference Thursday afternoon.\nK: Yes, the letters released from San Clemente Thursday morning.\nS: Dan Rather called and said CBS is doing a special on the Middle East\nalert and he wanted to see the Sit Room.\nK: Do it but say you were sitting under the table taking notes because you are\nnot a regular member and you were the only Christian in the room.\nS: (Laughter) OK. I'll show him, but no pictures of course.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMr. Sisco/Mr. Kissinger\n9:58 a. m. 1/8/74\nK:\nHave we heard from Eilts?\nS:\nYes, we have and I thought this was what you might be calling on.\nLet me read it --it's only 4 sentences. Fahmi, after talking with\nSadat, in\nby telephone, says that the President welcomes\nyour visit and suggests that if at all possible if you fly directly to\nAswan Thursday morning, Janua ry 10--and Eilts merely snggxx\nsaid I suggested that this might be a bit early, but Fahmi urged that\nyou try to arrange to come at the time Sadat suggests--and then Eilts\nmerely says, full details of my meeting will be sent in a later cable.\nIn other words, he wants you there in Aswan Thursday morning\nwhich would mean that we would have to leave tomorrow morning.'\nK:\nImpossible.\nS:\nYeh.\nK:\nI have a raging beast in San Clemente.\nOkay.\nS:\nThere it is and let me know if you'd like me to do anything on that.\nK:\nThank you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nGeneral Haig/Mr. Kissinger\n10:05 a. m. 1/8/74\nK:\nA1, we haven't talked in a while.\nH:\n(laughs)\nK:\nI've got another problem now for you.\nH:\nAll right.\nK:\nI got a message - - I'll send you all the messages so that you can see\nthere is no hanky panky- -I had send Eilts to Cairo to say I'd be willing\nto come out if he wouldn;t link it to anything else and if there would\nbe a rapid conclusion. And told him the Israelis had asked me to come.\nH:\nRight.\nK:\nSo now we've got a message saying Sadat wants me to come immediately\nto Aswan under those conditions\nH:\nOkay\nK:\nWhich means he is willing to settle fast. Now he wants me there Thursday\nmorning, I don't think I can make that.\nK:\nYeh.\nK:\nBut I do believe that with all this fanc y footwork going on, if we don't\nwrap this thing up fast, it will never happen.\nH:\nThat's what I think.\nK:\nIt S leaking all over Israel, it's just going to be too dangerous.\nH:\nOkay, it is going to be a thrilling morning for everyone.\nK:\nBut you can tell him A1 that I'm perfect willing to give him a terminal\ndate for my tenure, and that I'm off his back then, but let's get this\nthing done - I'd be perfectly happy to resign as soon as this agreement\nis signed and then he can play with\nand anyone else he wants to\nH:\nDo you think I could do the same thing? (laughs) I'll tell you what--if\nyou get a date certain I'll get one.\nK:\nIncidentally, I talked to Schlesinger this morning about bringing you\nbac k to the Pentagon- -I'm serious.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2\nH:\nWhat did he say?\nK:\nWell, it was a novel idea--he said if it is to be done, it better be\ndone before you get used up.\nH:\nThat's right.\nK:\nI did it in the context of what is needed to make the military responsive\nto political needs.\nH\nHm huh.\nK:\nI was you know- we were going through the list of possible assets.\nH:\nYeh, yeh.\nLittle thin over there.\nK:\nThat's what we concluded.\nBut Al we better get an answer by noon on this.\nH:\nAll right Henry. You are going to send the cables out.\nK:\nThere is only the cable from Cairo.\nH:\nOkay, I'll haxexbixe won't let him see that.\nK:\nNo, no, why not. That just says Sadat wants me.\nH:\nOkay. Okay.\nK:\nBut the Israelixs have asked for me to do it. I think it is the only way\nif you want it done within a week, that's the only way to get it done.\nOtherwise, you've got a six week negotiation with uncertain outcome.\nH:\nThat's right.\nK:\nAnd tell him we will stage it SO that the embargo lift--first of all that he\nwill announce the settlement, not I and that the embargo lifting will be\ndone by him. Anyway he can have my resignation. After last night, I\ndon't think there is a basis for my continuing anyway.\nH:\nYeh, I don't know what the hell that's all about.\nK:\nWhat e ver it is all about--Al--it means he's been in separate communica-\ntions with the foreign government in the middle of a crisis.\nH:\nsome first-class jerk called him in the xxixlle night says\nin the movie\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPage 3\nK:\nNo, it's been going on for a week Al and Rose told Scowcroft two weeks\nago they were in touch with Numayri and to keep me out of it - or a month\nago - - Scowcroft told me about it at the time and I just thought it was some\nfirst-class jerk carrying things back and forth and I never thought any-\none could take Numayri seriously- - here is a guy who can't event try\ntwo\nassassins of an Amarican ambassador.\nK:\nYeh, that's right. Henry, as soon as he gets circulating this morning,\nI;11 be to him.\nK:\nGood, thank you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSisco/Kissinger\n10:10 a.m. 1 /8/74\nK:\nWill you read me that cable again.\nS:\nSure. Fahmi, after talking with Sadat in Aswan by telephone, says\nPresident welcomes your visit and suggests if at all possible you\nfly directly to Aswan Thursday morning, January 10. I suggested\nthis might be a bit early, but Fahmi urged that you try to arrange\nto come at the time Sadat suggests - -and now there is a full cable\njust coming in which elaborates on this and I'll be getting it in a few\nminutes.\nK:\nCan you send both of those over immediately to the White House.\nS:Q\nSure'I'll call Tom Pickering right away. I won't answer anything\ntäll I hear from you\nK:\nGood, thank you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon\nDean Rusk\nSecretary Kissinger\n1/8/74; 10:10 a.m.\nR: How are you?\nK:\nOkay, Dean\nR:\nHope you won't mind two very quick gratuitous remarks.\nOne--have you been down to the 9:00 Wednesday morning session of\nthe House of Representatives yet?\nK:\nNo, but I'm planning to do it.\nR:\nThat to me is a great opportunity to build up a constituency that could\nbe very valuable to you. And in general, my experience has been with\nthem that if you tell them that something should be held privately, the\nthe record in the House is pretty good on that.\nK:\nThat's been my experience when I met with them--the leadership\nand with the foreign affairs committee which I've done severaltimes.\nR:\nWell, I used to go down to that Wednesday morning meeting two or three\ntimes a session, but under the present circumstances in Washington\nthese days, you might want to consider going maybe every six or eight\nweeks or so, because it is really a very important constituency to nurse\nand I just pass that along for what's it is worth.\nK:\nI'll do it as soon as they get back.\nR:\nNow the other point, I don;t want you to comment in any way on the phon\ncertainly, but I heard on the radio news just a few minutes ago that the\nRXX Washington Post was saying that we had submarines within the\n3 mile limit in the SUnion. I would hope if there is any possibility that\nsort of thing happened, it would be scrubbed and not run the risk of ano-\nther U-2 incident. When suggestions like that came to me during the\nI vetoed them because on the grounds that the President, the\nSecretary of State, arethe principal customers for that sort of informati\nand we have less interest in the information to be derived than we had in\nthe policy involved and methods used to get it.\nDon't let another U-2 incident occur.\nK:\nTo the best of my information, Dean--but I'm looking into it, we are\ndoing nothing that was not done in the previous administration as far as\ndistances are concerned. But so any restrictions you put on, I think\nwould still be valid. But I would like to talk to you about it.\nR:\nI coming up next week for the Law of the Sea Conference advisory\nCommittee.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPage 2\nK:\nWhat day?\nR:\nOn the 9th, 10th and 11th.\nK:\nWhat days of the week are they?\nR:\nThey are Thursday, Friday, Saturday.\nK:\nWould you like to have lunch one of those days?\nR:\nI'd be delighted.\nK:\nMay I call you today?\nR:\nYes.\nK:\nCan I fix either of those days.\nR:\nYou can have any of those days.\nK:\nI will call your office and tell which day I'm suggesting.\nR:\nThanks a lot.\nK:\nGood I have to run to Chip Bohlen's funeral, this is why I'm so brief.\nR:\nAh yes. That was sad, but we all expected.\nK:\nIt was a mercy. His wife told me a week before that she was hoping\nit would be quick--he was suffering so.\nR:\nRight. All the best Henry.\nK:\nThank you Chip--Dean.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGeneral Scowcroft/Secretary Kissinger\nJanuary 8, 1974\n1:00 pm\nS: George Gowon just called and said Al would get to you and on the\nDavis thing they haven't done any of the Hill clearances yet and we had\nbetter hold off.\nK: OK. But that means we hold them all up.\nS: We can go with Sisco and Porter and Mailliard on the OAS.\nK: OK but that means I can't move Pickering\nand when are they going to\ndo the Hill clearances.\nS: I'll get them on it.\nK: They should have no illusions that I will stand for the usual maneuvering.\nS: Timmons, maybe but not with Al.\nK: They have had the past two weeks.\nS: Al is on board.\nK: Well, you get Timmons to get it done.\nS: Yes, I'll call him right now.\nK: How about the other matter?\nS: He will take it up and he is going in to see the President very shortly.\nK: Did you explain the Russian problem?\nS: I did.\nK: OK.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nJoe Sisco - Secretary Kissinger\nJanuary 8, 1974\n2:10 p.m.\nK: You're official now aren't you.\nS: I haven't heard yet. The announcement was to be made about 1: 30\nI think. I thank you.\nK: I'm looking forward to working with you. I've always wanted a\nfew Italians with me.\nS: You've got one now.\nK: I was having lunch with David Rockefeller. I suggested he might\nwant to come in next Thursday.\nS: Yes, he's coming down to see me.\nK: Before he goes to the Middle East.\nS: Where's he going?\nK: Iran, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and some trucial states.\nYou know he ha s very high prestige there and if we could give him\nthe right messages.\nS: This Thursday?\nK: No, a week from Thursday.\nS: Oh, and go right after then. Okay. I'll just call up to your\nsecretary and she can work something out for you.\nK: Fine, good.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nGen. Scowcroft - Secretary Kissinger\nJanuary 8, 1974\n2:25 p.m.\nK: Have you talked to Timmons.\nS: He's in conference, I'm waiting to see him. I talked to Jerry\nJones though. He is starting consultations which he might as\nwe Il anyway.\nK: Whom is he consulting with.\nS: Congressional leadership peple, Republican leadership, Jerry\nsays he has already started to make calls.\nK: Does he think we can announce it tomorrow.\nS: That depends on how hard it is to track people down.\nK: Have you heard from Haig about this trip?\nS: No, I've not heard from Haig.\nK: You know, here we are on the verge of breaking this thing.\nThe Secretary of State is invited to Aswan and instead of throwing\nour hats in the air, we're dancing around.\nS: What they're seized with is whether or not to release the milk\nand the ITT papers.\nK: Of course, those are matters of great importance.\nS: Well, that's where our priorities have gone.\nK: You know. very well if they were national interest concentration\nwe would be in touch with Fahmi. There is no earthly reasons to\nhesitate\nS: Of course.\nK: If he refuses it I will certainly leave.\nS: It certainly goes counter to everything he is pushing for. It\nwould confirm a great deal of what you have said. I will bug him\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2.\nagain. He said , you know when you and I talked he expected\nto go in in about 30 minutes.\nK: My question is also whether I should call some of these\nCongressional leaders myself.\nS: Uh, let me check. I will see.\nK: Will you let me know ?\nS: Yes.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSecretary Kissinger - General Haig\nJanuary 8, 1974\n3:05 p.m.\nK: How is he ?\nH: Everything is in good shape.\nK: Who was the emissary?\nH: I don't think there has been anything but the letter written.\nK: By the President.\nH: No returns of any kind, no communications of any kind. This\nwas a friendly effort by a friend of Vieres (?) to point out that\nthe six, the little six that is, were very much in favor of the lifting\nand felt that Faisal had attached conditions they regretted very much.\nif he came over here as a spokesman to see the boss and\ngive him a ledge from which he could crawl back from his position.\nK: That might be done. Let's see how the talks come out. What's\nyour view on the other business?\nH: What's your view on the other business/\nH: All I really cared about\ncome in from source\nRosebud.\nK: Who's Rosebud?\nH: Some friend of Nimeri.\nK: His name is Nimeri, not Nierri, Nierri is in Tanzania.\nWhat did he say about the trip.\nH: He said the sooner the better, sooner rather than later.\nK: Really' ?\nH: Yes.\nK: Let me talk to Sisco about that.\nH: I went through the exercise of the game plan we discussed about\ntrying to bring both together before the xx \"i\"s were dotted and \"t\"s\nwere crossed.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2.\nK: He should make the announcement. Of course, we are dealing\nwith the Middle East. It may not work that way.\nH: He believes if you delay it, it will unravel\nK: That's one of the problems. Let me get back on that. I will\ncall you back on that.\nH: OK. I think you outght to leave very, very quickly, Henry.\nK: Right. Let me\nOK, let me consult with some of the people\nhere on that.\nH: OK.\nK: Al, on these\nthe energy group, we are sending the letter\nout tonight. I don't think he wants to see it, its substantively what\nwas in the speech.\nH: Yes. I would send it out so Ziegler can talk about it.\nK: OK, but we want to handle it\nZiegler can announce tomorrow\nmorning that the letters are being delivered tomorrow. Then Ziegler\ncan release the text of the letters Thursday morning. Let the\ngovernments have the texts of the letter for a day before we release\nit. We will send the text and not release it then. Simply have Ziegler\nannounce it tomorrow that the letters have been sent to both\nthe consumer and producing countries.\nH: Release the consumers.\nK: No, release both. I have decided that both Simons and I could\nbrief together on\nH: Thursday.\nK: Yes. After the letters have been released for awhile. I will\nbe glad to do the briefing alone, but with Simons together that\nmore clearly Presidential.\nH: And that's the big thing. You ought to do that.\nK: And that way he's got the whole thing free tomorrow. Say the\nletters have been send early and that will have the whole afternoon\npapers on the letters. We ought to do some briefing on it.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n3.\nH: You would have to leave Thursday night.\nK: Right.\nH: OK. We're trying to get the milk and ITT thing out, it's all\nthe more important now to get it out today.\nK: I noticed they didn't run the story on the Joint Chiefs.\nH: I don't think they want to\nit's troublesome for them.\nK: Yes. OK, fine. A1, thank you. I'll be back to you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmbassador Dinitz/Secretary Kissinger\nJanuary 8, 1974\n4:05 pm\nFirst part of conversation was missed.\nD: She did it again? Did she say it again?\nK: I saw it on a ticker. I am not arguing with your private position but.\nD: I understand and you remember\nI didn't realize she said it\nagain and I will ask her not to say this. It doesn't help.\nK: That is right. You are giving the Syrians a pretext to put you\nin the position where you are the cause of the failure of them to lift\nthe embargo.\nEveryone knows they are crazy.\nD: I will check on this right away and make sure that.\nK: Good, I will try to see you later today or how about tomorrow\nmorning, or do you ha ve a Bar Mitzvah to go to.\nD: (Laughter) So help me God, Ihhave but I can come later.\nK: What time ?\nD: Did you ixix know I had a Bar Mitzvah or did you guess?\nK: I just figured you did something religious oneeaa month and it was\nabout time.\nD: (Laughter)\nK: Well, you bug me and I bug you.\nD: The Bar Mitzvah, it is at 11:00 in the morning. I can come in the early\nafternoon.\nK: Can you come before it? I'll call you tonight.\nD: Fine, 9:00 is alright.\nK: I noticed when I don't keep constant pressure on you your government\ngets overly self-confident.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-2-\nD: I addressed a group of people and was asked the question if it was\nX good for the Secretary of State to be Jewish. And I answered that that\nwas the kind of thing a diplomat should ask a Rabbi and not a Rabbi ask\na diplomat.\nK: It is purely academic.\nD: Any news from the Syrians.\nK: No, but they haven't turned us down yet.\nD: Good. I had a call from Eban asking me what.\nK: I said you would leave Kenetra as soon as the first Red Cross was\nstarted.\nD: It is a good thing I am used to your sense of humor or I would bexblewn\nhave blown my job rlght away.\nK: No, I translated what you told me literally, I mean the sequence of\nevents.\nD: I indicated to Eban who asked me anything new on the Syrian front.\nK: I have the Egyptians and Saudis working on them and the Saudis\nare visiting them today.\nD: The Saudis are visiting the Syrians?\nK: This is why the statement was so particularly well-timed. your Prime\nMinister, did she ever express appreciation for the number of prisoners.\nD: She did. I was waiting to talk to you when we meet.\nK: OK.\nD: I didn't want to pass it to anyone else. We have kept it in very close\ncircles in Jerusalem.\nK: Eagleburger wouldn't have believed it if you had told him. A friendly\nword from Jerusalem he WO uld have discounted.\nD: He is a very nice fellow.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-3-\nK: Funny, he doesn't say the same things about you.\nD: Well he is very friendly and helpful.\nK: Actually, your relations here are very good, I regret to say that.\nD: They are very understanding and I appreciate that. with a Secretary\nof State like you that is enough.\nK: You are starting a new branch of diplomacy. Ambassadors are\nsupposed to be deferential to Secretaries of State.\nD: (Laughter)\nK: OK, I'll see you tonight or first thing in the morning.\nD: OK.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Sisco/Secretary Kissinger\nJanuary 8, 1974\n5:18 PM\n(Missed the first part)\nS: Well, I don't think there's any real danger at the moment.\nK: Did you call Ghorbal?\nS: I made it a point you asked me to make\n.\nHe's really\nnot being kept informed.\nK: I had the impression that Fahmy is going to leave anyway.\nS: That's not bad as he's not\n.\nThis telegram will be up\nto you in a few minutes.\nK: Good, because after 6:00 I will be tied up. Thank you.\nEND.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nBill Timmons - Secretary Kissinger\nJanuary 8, 1974\n5:25 p.m.\nK: I've had another thought.\nOh?\nK: How about Governor Holton of Virginia.\n1: Superb. Yes. I'm glad I thought of that one. Have you had any\ncommunication with him?\nK: I heard he was looking for a government job.\nA: He would be great if he would take it. He may be shooting higher.\nBut he's a fine person, he understand Congress, he's loyal.\nK: Is he all right with the President?\nA: Oh yes, he's great with the President. He was one of the\noriginal sponsors of the draft Nixon movement in '67. Lyn\nHolton is tops.\nK: Davis.\nA: Do you know him well?\nK: Well, I know him and I like him.\nA: He would be super. Also I don't know if you have thought\nof Jan MacDonald, he was 6 year, 3 terms, in the House. He\nwas gerrymandered into a district with Jim Horn. Again, he\ndoesn't know foreign policy too well but he really knows the Hill\nwell. He's 40-41. He wouldn't have the rapport with you Nat has\nor Lyn would have, but he's a good prospect if you want to rething\nit.\nK: OK, let me\nit will be a little difficult with Davis. I'll have\nto find another place for the Executive Secretary.\nA: He's a nice guy, but he really doesn't know where the bathroom\nis on the Hill.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2.\nA: While you can do the big stuff, SO much of our work is nitty\ngritty.\nK: Do you think Holton would do that?\nA: He probably would, I would have thought, ! he certainly\nwould be flattered by a call from you. I know him quite well.\nHe may want something bigger, like Secretary of State.\nK: I've already got 8 guys on my staff looking for my job.\nA: Oh, he would be loyal.\nK: If I can't hold my job, for which I was confirmed in the\nSenate, I don't deserve it.\nA: Nobody's a thret to you, Henry. He would be very good.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nDavid Abshire/Secretary Kissinger\nJanuary 8, 1974\n5:25 PM\nK: I just learned that Governor Holton from Virginia may\nbe interested and I wonder would he be suitable for this\nposition.\nA: I don't know Governor Holton. He has a good reputation.\nHe has the advantage of not having served in the Senate or\nHouse. If he would take it.\nK: I could just stop Davis. Wouldn't he be disappointed\nif he stayed in his present position a bit.\nA: Holton is one of the bright lights.\nK: Would you make a few inquiries and let me know?\nA: Be happy to. I'll be back in touch.\nK: Tonight or first thing in the morning. Do it in the\nmorning.\nA: I'll be in touch.\nEND.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELEO N\nMr. Eagleburger/Secretary Kissinger\nJanuary 8, 1974\n5:40 pm\nK: Am I ever going to see you again?\nE: I am going to the Doctor in about ten minutes but I plan to be in\ntomorrow.\nK: I want your advice. There is massive opposition to Davis in the\nWhite House. That I can overcome. Rockefeller tells me that Governor\nHolton of Virginia might like this job and the White House just loves him\nand he looks good.\na\nE: He is. He is/tough, independent guy\nK: So what ?\nE: He is good but I don't know if that's what you want. He is tough, bright\nbut very independent.\nK: Good, but how independent can he be. My problem is if Davis goes wrong,\nthey will kill him and blame every congressi onal problem on him.\nE: Who is it, is it Timmons.\nK: It is Ti mmons and Redding and he was in Peace Corps with Shriver.\nE: Well, it is wrong, but.\nK: Do you think Davis will be upset if I cancel it.\nE: No. I f nothing else he is a good soldier.\nK: And iI thought we could give Pickering Jordan.\nE: That would be good.\nK: Pickering is certainly not Jewish.\nE: I have given up guessing any more.\nK: Well, I know I am not.\ntop level\nE:Well, if Holton will take it you are getting a first rate/guy with whom you'll\nhave problems you wouldn't have with Nat. I know Holton and I have great respect\nfor him.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n- 2 -\nK: My experience is I have never had problems with strong men.\nE: I will say this, if Holton won't take it\nK: If Holton won't take it I will stick with Davis.\nE: OK, I don't know when he is available.\nK: Well he is available now. I might go to the Middle East, leaving\nThursday night. I don't suppose you would want to go along?\nE: I'll be glad to go along. Anything you want.\nK: I'll kill you on the next one.\nE: Laughter, Well, I'll be glad to go. I'll be in in the morning.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nNIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS PROJECT\nDOCUMENT CONTROL RECORD\nITEM REMOVED FROM THIS FILE FOLDER\nSANITIZED\nA RESTRICTED DOCUMENT OR CASE FILE HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM\nTHIS FILE FOLDER. FOR A DESCRIPTION OF THE ITEM REMOVED\nAND THE REASON FOR ITS REMOVAL, CONSULT DOCUMENT ENTRY\nNUMBER 2 ON EITHER THE DOCUMENT WITHDRAWAL RECORD\n(GSA FORM 7292 OR NA FORM 1421) OR NARA WITHDRAWAL SHEET\n(GSA FORM 7122) LOCATED IN THE FRONT OF THIS FILE FOLDER.\nA sanitized copy substituted for an original item which\nContains information restricted under the Privacy Act.\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION\nNLN FORM 101 (revised 6-85)\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSchlesinger/Secretary Kissinger\nJanuary 8, 1974\n6:05 pm\nS: I am not going to a dinner this evening. I am playing it cool.\nK: Who is giving the dinner?\nS: Plimsoll, the Ambassador.\nK: He didn't even ask me. I have been told he is one of the better ones and\nat the reception yesterday, he told me he wanted to help straighten out\nthe relationship.\nS: And here is his\nSANITIZED\nPrime Minister saying the alert was\nK: No, he pulled back from that.\nS: Well, he is\nK: He is\nSANITIZED\nS: Yes.\nK: I would lëtehim know that we are highly displeased.\nS: OK.\nK: Let me\nyou noticed my briefer backed you up.\nS: No, I'll ask Friedman about it.\nK: Just stick with it I may go to Egypt at the end of the week, in the process\nof pulling this across.\nS: Damn good. You talked to the President about this?\nK: Yes, he wants me to go.\nS: Good. Good ti e of the year to go to Egypt.\nK: Yes.\nS: Take care.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nNIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS PROJECT\nDOCUMENT CONTROL RECORD\nITEM REMOVED FROM THIS FILE FOLDER\nSANITIZED\nA RESTRICTED DOCUMENT OR CASE FILE HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM\nTHIS FILE FOLDER. FOR A DESCRIPTION OF THE ITEM REMOVED\nAND THE REASON FOR ITS REMOVAL, CONSULT DOCUMENT ENTRY\nNUMBER 3\nON EITHER THE DOCUMENT WITHDRAWAL RECORD\n(GSA FORM 7292 OR NA FORM 1421) OR NARA WITHDRAWAL SHEET\n(GSA FORM 7122) LOCATED IN THE FRONT OF THIS FILE FOLDER.\nA sanitized copy substituted for an original item which\nContains information restricted under the Privacy Act.\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION\nNLN FORM 101 (revised 6-85)\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGeneral Scowcroft/Secretary Kissinger\nJanuary 8, 1974\n6:07 PM\nK: I just found out that Governor Holton of Virginia may be\ninterested in thesCongressional Relations job. I don't think\nSANITIZED\nI could pull him off still.\nS: I've heard rumors that Holton is very good.\nK: You don't think I'll hurt his (Davis) feelings?\nS: I don't think he's that eager to\n.\nK: I talked to Timmons, he's enthusiastic. I wonder if I\nshould call Holton.\nS: Why not? It may be useful.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGeneral Scowcroft/Secretary Kissinger\nJanuary 8, 1974\n7:34 PM\nK: Have we got those papers from Graham Martin about the\nNort Vietnamese?\nS: No, we don't.\nK: Tell him we want the bloddy thing here.\nS: OK.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nDavid Abshire/Secretary Kissinger\nJanuary 8, 1974\n7:36 PM\nA: I think Governor Holton would have a brilliant\nappeal. Everything checks out. Civil rights appeals\nto liberals. He's a young 49 or 50. Getting Governor\nHolton in there would help you.\nK: Let me call him.\nA: I think it would be great. The problem would be getting\nhim to take it. It just would be great in every way. What\nI would do is tell him you're going to build up the job.\nThat you want to take him on some of your trips. Give him\ntwo top deputies. Pick two top deputies. I think a third\ndeputy should be added to the bureau.\nK: Let me talk to him.\nA: I think it's great.\nK: Good. Thank you David. I'll call you.\nEND.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmbassador Dinitz/Secretary Kissinger\nJanuary 8, 1974\n7:40 PM\n(Missed the first part)\nD: But I have the full text of the meeting. They understood\nvery well there is no problem whatsoever. They were ready to\ndiscuss\n.\nK: That's on Monday.\nD: No - even on Friday. They remarked several times they're\ninterested.\nK: At any rate they told the Russians that you proposed a 45\nkilometer withdrawal.\nD: That's ridiculous. That have never been even an informal\nproposal. That was when he was trying to understand the\npossibility of\n.\nK: Simeday you have to explain that to me. What purpose\n.\nD: He thought he was playing with models. That is the answer.\nK: As a diplomati why should you play with models when you have\nno intention of using them.\nD: I agree with you. That was why he was he didn't know\nwhat harm it could do.\nK: I told him about that plan of having UN forces move into\nthe West Bank.\nD: That's nonsense.\nK: They gave that on January 1.\nD: There is nothing in what happened on Friday that can\n.\nK: I know it can, and it has. The only question is, now, one\nmore cleverness and we are done for.\nD: Ever since we had that meeting on Friday, everything has\nchanged. I can understand quite going in the other direction.\nK: Just for my information, on whose authority did he do it?\nD: He did it because Dayan was away, and he thought he would\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\ngo one step further. I agree with you that it could have been\ninterpreted wrongly.\nK: Dobrynin has no information of his own. He read me what\nthe Egyptians told him. We went through this with the Yarov\nthing.\nD: The Yarov thing was worse, but I agree with you. I have\nnothing to say to that.\nK: No more leaks.\nD: No more leaks. I just passed this information to\nfor our own personal made the official announcement. I'm\nsorry about that.\nK: That's alright. I just want to make absolutely sure that\nI didn't\n.\nD: OK.\nEND.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGovernor Holton/Secretary Kissinger\nJanuary 8, 1974\n7:45 PM\nH: How are you Mr. Secretary?\nK: How are you Governor? Governor I was going over some\npersonnel problems here in the Department. I have been looking\nfor months for an Assistant Secretary for Congressional Relations\nand I took the liberty of thinking that perhaps you might be\ninterested in such a position. It requires close association\nwith me on details of foreign policy.\nH: Dr. Kissinger, I could consider that very very\n.\nI\nwould want to have you assure me that it would mean close\nassociation with you. I can't be a messenger boy at this stage.\nK: If I wanted a messenger boy I could take a Junior Foreign\nService officer. I know you want to be a man of your own ideas.\nOf course, to some extent, there is an element of messenger boy\nin the sense as to politics.\nH: I don't mean to belittle it. I understand the messenger\nboy thing. I would be your man.\nK: It would be essential for\n.\nThe only way we can do\n.\nSo that the Congress will listen to him as a man\nin his own right.\nH: Would Congress know if I speak, I would be speaking for the\nSecretary?\nK: Yes. You would be sitting in on staff meetings. You would,\nof course, take trips with me. I would do a number of\nCongressional briefings myself. So you would be my in all\nof that. What somebody of your stature would do for me.\nA lot of thinking entirely for myself. The only way you could\ntake over\n. To have you work closely with me.\nH: You describe it as I would like to do it. I must discuss\nthis first with my wife. She's very interested.\nK: Can you call me tomorrow?\nH: This is a great advantage if I want to do it.\nK: I haven't discussed it with anyone else. You can see it's\nadvantages if you want to do it.\nH: Thank you very much. I'll call you tomorrow.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nDavid Abshire/Secretary Kissinger\nJanuary 8, 1974\n7:50 PM\nK: I think the chances are 4 out of 5 he'll do it.\nA: Wonderful. That's marvelous.\nK: All I have to do is handle my boy Davis. I don't think\nDavis was all that interested.\nA: I think we got a little concerned\n.\nK: The way he was treated by Timmons.\nA: Henry, for the overall, I'm not concerned. I just think\nthis is great. I think Nat would appreciate that. He's a\ngood man. I think he would have done a good job.\nK: He's a\n.\nA: That just would be tremendous. I just\nany little\nthink I can do. I just think it's great.\nK: Good. OK.\nA: I would add a third deputy.\nK: I'll get him to talk to you as soon as it's done.\nA: I've got some ideas on that whole operation.\nK: He would be much more as with the policy than a Foreign\nService officer.\nA: He's got the advantage of not even being a formal Senator\nor Congressman, he's a governor. I just think that's tremendous.\nK: Good, wonderful. Dave, many thanks.\nA: I'll be in touch.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGeneral Haig/Secretary Kissinger\nJanuary 8, 1974\n8:20 PM\nK: Al, how are you? I have a minor problem. I've been\nthinking of Nat Davis as Assistant Secretary for Congressional\nRelations. I've now had a better idea, which is, Governor\nHolton from Virginia wants the job.\nH: That's great.\nK: Timmons is beside himself. Holton had remember he sat\nnext to me at a football game. I just took a chance and\ncalled him. He said he wanted to think about it over night.\nChances are 4 out of 5 he'll take it.\nH: We've been trying to find a place for him. He was talking\nabout some cabinet level.\nK: He wants to check with his wife.\nH: That's the best news I have had here.\nK: You take a load off my mind. I think it's a better\nsolution.\nH: I think the boss will be delighted.\nK: I think it will give us some strength.\nH: He got the horses end.\nK: I'm sending out those 2 letters which will be released\nThursday to get two more days of\n.\nYou should announce\nit at San Clemente. That will give us a\n.\nH: You'll give us a text?\nK: Don't you think that would be best if I announce it.\nH: That's exactly the way to do it.\nK: He had not done anything any how. I think if the Israelis\nhad been\n.\nWe would really make it, but the hell with\nit.\nH: I wish you luck.\nK: What?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nH: I wish you luck.\nK: If I pull this one off it will be unbelievable.\nH: But all right by me.\nK: I'm going to start with 2 battalions and end up with 5.\nH: The worse part of it is I know you will.\nK:\nOK.\nI'll proceed with Holton.\nH: Absolutely.\nEND.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon\nSecretary Kissinger\nAmbassador Cromer\n1/9/74; 9:19 a. m.\nK: Hello.\nC: Good morning, Henry, how are you?\nK: Okay, how are you?\nC: Just fine. Look, I've got three short things I might just put to you.\nOne is about a declaration of principles -- the European nine business.\nK: Yes.\nC: There is a meeting of the political directors very shortly and we\nwondered whether it would be a good idea if we put forward the idea that\nthere should be a rediting and improving of the\nK: Well, we would welcome that.\nC: You would welcome that?\nK: Yes.\nC: Well we will then. Now what we thought was that -- there was an\nidea of scrapping it and starting it again. But I think there is probably\nSO much blood, sweat gone into it.\nK: We don't care about that. We don't care about the method.\nC: No, no.\nK: I think it may well be that keeping the core of it but giving it a little\nmore\nC: Warmth.\nK: Warmth and\nC: Absolutely.\nK: Might be the way to do it.\nC: Well then I will tell them that you would see that well.\nDECLASSIFIED\nE.O. 13526, Section 3.5\nNLIN09-16/12515 Per Hr. 11/14/2013\nBy R NARA, Date 11/4/2016\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon\nSecretary Kissinger\nAmbassador Cromer\n1/9/74; 9:19 a.m.\n2\nK: Yes. Incidentally, just SO that you know, we have been asked by\nther Germans more or less the same question and we've told them the\nsame thing.\nC: Well, fine, then we will\nK: And we have also had a message from the French that they are\nfairly sympathetic to that.\nC: Oh, that's good.\nK: I just want you to know so that you are not running into a buzz saw.\nC: No, no, that's very helpful. Well then we will have to make some\nprogress on that.\nK: Good.\nC: And the other thing is this -- on the Indian Ocean -- Diego Garcia\nbusiness.\nK: Yes.\nC: This is being done so far on the Defense Department network and\nI am told by my people that the bureaucracy -- both yours and ours - -\nthought this should be done formally through the State Department.\nK: Yes.\nC: The processing of the work is going ahead but we are still waiting\nfor the formal request through your State Department machinery.\nK: Oh, let me look into that.\nC: If you could.\nK: I am assuming that there is no problem on your side.\nC: I don't think so. There are maybe one or two aspects they want\nto ask you about but in principle, I hope not.\nK: Right.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon\nSecretary Kissinger\nAmbassador Cromer\n1/9/74; 9:19 a. m.\n3\nC: And thirdly, on the message to the President about the other thing\nwhich we can't talk about on the telephone\nK: Oh, Yes.\nC: Well I\nK: Well, you know, I can tell you informally that I am quite certain\nthat will be approved.\nC: Well, fine.\nK: With the split locations all the paper work takes a little longer.\nC: Naturally.\nK: But I would not worry about that.\nC: And you think within a week or two.\nK: I would think so. The Defense people, to be candid, want to look\nat the Diego Garcia.\nC: Yes. Well that altogether surprised me. Crossed my mind, too.\nK: But I think we can deal with that objectively.\nC: I think\nK: Well, if you tell me informally the way I am telling you that there\nwill be nXX nothing but technical problems\nC: There doesn't seem to -- I don't think there will be anything but\ntechnical problems and I hope there won't be any of that but I actually\ncan't guarantee that.\nK: Of course not. But you can tell the Prime Minister or whoever is\ninterested informally that I see no problem with this at all and that I\nhave already talked to the President about it.\nC: Well, that's splendid. That all I have Henry, thank you very much.\nK: Right.\nC: Right, bye.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon\nJoe Sisco\nSecretary Kissinger\n1/9/74; 9:24 a. m.\nK: Joe.\nS: Mr. Secretary, there are several things we need to do this morning\nin connection with the visit.\nK: Well, first of all, they sent me over here the cable on the administrative\nthing but they haven't given me the substantive cables. There must be a\nsubstantive cable.\nS: Oh, there is. I will call Pickering and find out why you got only the\nadministrative cable because there is the cable which says okay.\nK: Well, wait a minute, here we are. No, no, that's my outgoing. They\ndidn't give me the reply.\nS: Well, I can read it to you if you like.\nK: Well, could you.\nLoutfi\nS: Undersecretary XXXXXXX said he had a telephone call from Fahmi\nin Aswan indicating that President Sadat concurs in your coming on Friday\ndirectly to Aswan as suggested.\nK: And do they understand that I am going to shuttle back and forth?\nS: They do because you indicated that and I am assuming that Herman --\nthere is nothing in the cable that says this that Herman gave them a full\npicture. Herman then goes on to say that in answer to my query whether\nFahmi still planned to depart for Moscow Saturday, Loutfi didn't know\nand he said he hasn't discussed this matter with Fahmi. Loutfi urged\nasked for the aircraft number and the flight and so on, which there was\none other cable that went out.\nK: You know the Koreans are flying out of Aswan.\nS: Koreans?\nK: North Korean fighters.\nS: Military thing. Herman has sent one in saying the reporters have to\nbe careful about photographs and that kind of thing. What I think needs\nto be done -- )1) We are getting over to you a suggested announcement as\nwell as some Q&A's because we think some questions will arise. Secondly\nI assume you cleared this with Dinitz in terms of making this announcement\nat noon. And if you have, can I send a brief cable telling Keating otherwise\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon\nJoe Sisco\nSecretary Kissinger\n1/9/74; 9:24 a. m.\n2\nKeating will hear it over the radio.\nK: Yes.\nS: Third, I think you ought to call Waldheim sometime this morning to\nlet him know what you are going to do.\nK: Good idea.\nS: And I am now preparing a very brief message -- one for Saqqquaf and\nRifai just leetting them know before the announcement what you are going\nto do.\nK: Good but you let Atherton draft the Saqquaf one because you are Under\nSecretary for Political Affairs of every country except Saudi Arabia.\nS: All right. (Laughter) My job is being reduced already.\nK: That's right. I just wanted you to know that.\nS: By the end of this three-year stint, we'll add up and see how well or\npoorly I have done with Saudi Arabia.\nK: You are giving me more time than I give myself.\nS: Well, whatever. Life is short.\nK: Will you take three weeks.\nS: Three weeks or whatever. Now is there anything else that comes to\nyour mind that we ought to\nK: No, can you get all of this stuff over here to the White House fast.\nS: Yes. The announcement and the Q&A's I am sending up on the wire now\nto you.\nK: Okay.\nS: You will take care of the telephone call to Waldeheim.\nK: Yes and I have to make a call to Dobrynin, too.\nS: Yeah.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n3\nK:\nNow you know of course the Egyptians have briefed the Soviets\nthat the Gur thing was a proposal.\nS:\nOh they have. This I didn't know.\nK:\nYes, because that's what Dobrynin told me yesterday. So I want\nto meet with you when I get over there say around 11:30 and Atherton, to\nplan just where the hell that leaves us all.\nS:\nWell I don't believe that based on what we're getting from Herman\nthat the Egyptians really believe this and you know I have a feeling this is\nanother Russian ploy applying pressure.\nK:\nThat's right. Well the Russians then wanted to know what the Russians\nare confused about is where the line of disengagement is so I said that if I\nknow the Israelis it's probably somewhere near Alexandria so when they said\n45 kilometers.\n[Laughter]\nBut it did confuse them. They said 45 kilometers is what Gur used so I said\nwell, if I understood the Israelis at all that's between the main forces and if\nI understood the Israeli proposal it says that the Egyptian main forces should\nbe way back of the Canal.\nS:\nSure.\nK:\nWell we can play with this\nS:\nI think there is a problem as a result of what Gur has done but I have\nthink you've made it crystal clear that the Israelis have not put anything on\nthe table and particularly in that cable as you revised it last night my cabbe.\nYou made this very very clear\nK:\nDo you think Herman presented that.\nS:\nThere isn't any doubt. Herman is the most precise guy in the world.\nYou don't have to worry about that.\nK:\nAlright. Get that stuff over here.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nCromer/HAK\nJan. 9, 1974/9:55 a. m.\nKissinger:\nRollie. I wanted to tell you that we have just decided that\nin order to speed up this disengagement negotialtions I will take a quick\ntrip to Israel and Egypt over the weekend.\nC:\nI see. Thank you.\nK:\nAnd that we will announce that in about 3 or 4 hours.\nC:\nThank you very much for letting me know.\nK:\nThe Israelis have asked for it and now the Egyptians have just\nasked for it too.\nC:\nSo you'll be going to Cairo and Tel Aviv?\nW\nK:\nWell, it probably will be As/an where Sadat is.\nC:\nI see. Well thank you very much for letting me know and I wish you\nsuccess.\nK:\nRight. Of course you'll let them know in London?\nWe'll announce\nit I think around 1:00 here.\nC:\nThank you very much for letting me know.\nK:\nGood. Thank you.\nDECLASSIFIED\nE.O. 13526, Section 3.5\nNLN09- 16/12516 Per Hr. 11/14/2013\nBy R) Thit NARA, Date 11/4/2016\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSisco/HAK\n1/9/74 - 9:56 a.m.\nK:\nHello. Joe, shouldn't you -- I've called Cromer -- should you call\nthe French and German Ambassadors.\nS:\nI think so. I'll do that. I think that's enough. I don't think we\nhave to tell anybody else.\nK:\nThe Japanese.\nS:\nThe Japanese. That's it. I'll take care of all three of these.\nK:\nWill you take care of those. Call the Japanese first.\nS:\nAlright.\nK:\nSay it was just decided this morning.\nHas somebody told the\nIsraelis?\n[Sisco has already hung up SO HAK calls Dinitz]\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nDinitz/HAK\n1/9/74 - 9:59 a. m.\nD:\nHello.\nK:\nMr. Ambassador. I have missed hearing from you. Where were\nyou all night?\nD:\nI thought I would give you one evening a break.\nK:\nOK. Had you been told that I'm definitely going.\nD:\nYes, you told me.\nK:\nWell, we haven't had the confirmation yet from the Egyptians and\nwe have it now.\nD:\nI see. I was figuring that that was certain yesterday when you\ntold me but.\nK:\nSo then he is going to announce it at noon today. Now please hold\nthe position in Israel that you have not yet made a concrete proposal.\nD:\nYes.\nK:\nYes, but you linked it to my -- to there not being a concrete trip.\nBut you see now that there is a concrete trip now maybe the other thing.\nD:\nI already took care of it. The trip will become concrete by noon\nthe proposal will not.\nK:\nOK. But will you make that clear.\nD:\nRight. I have already done so I reemphasize.\nK:\nBut I mean let them in Israel say they are now waiting for me\nin order -- before they can develop a concrete proposal. Do you think\nthey can say that.\nD:\nYes. For the Secretary before developing a concrete proposal.\nIn fact tomorrow I'm speaking to the\nK:\nI don't -- but can they say that in Jerusalem.\nD:\nThey will and I will say it here too. I'm speaking to the National\nDemocratic club tomorrow so.\nBut they will say it today in Jerusalem.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nK:\nGood. Then my plan is then I will arrive in Jerusalem Saturday\nnight and I haven't decided yet whether to leave Sunday night or Monday\nmorning.\nD:\nWell, I have said to tentatively schedule a Saturday night dinner\nsession and meetings all during Sunday and if there need be then you'll stay\novernight. We'll be very glad to have you.\nK:\nGood. Where is it. In Jerusalem?\nD:\nI didn't hear from them yet but I'm pretty sure that it will be\nJerusalem. It's nicer anyhow.\nK:\nIt's nicer in Jerusalem?\nD:\nOf course. In terms of more quiet, nicer atmosphere, nicer city\ntoo.\nK:\nIt is a lovely city. If I stay Sunday night you'll arrange an active\nnight life for me.\nD:\nThat could be done. I'll tell them to keep Sunday night open and\nthenlwe can have dinner with Dayan and then maybe go out to the night spots.\nK:\nBut how would I get to Tel Aviv?\nD:\nBy car. It's 55 minutes drive. It's no problem.\nK:\nOh really.\nD:\nOr by helicopter. 10 minutes only.\nK:\nWe can worry about that later. We can plan it because we can plan\nit in such a way that it looks\nso something conrete came out of it.\nD:\nRight. That I told them to plan the meeting Such that it will be a\nhard negotiating day. And then that we will have to also\nK:\nBut let's talk about Syria while I'm there.\nD:\nI will mention it to them.\nK:\nYou know I'm not eager to do it but it could serve a little bit maneuverin\nI mean we'll have to talk about it sooner or later anyway.\nD:\nRight. OK. I will tell them that maybe they will prepare some talks\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nK:\nAnd what this engagement scheme might look like out there.\nD:\nThat's what I mean. But you have no plan of going to Syria this time.\nK:\nWell I haven't - frankly I thought I might leave it up to Sadat. If\nit helps him to be able to tell Asad that I'm going. I might go for a day and\nthen of course I'd raise the prisoner issue.\nD:\nYes. Because I know that our people will not consider talking business\nto the Syrians before they make this move on the prisoners.\nK:\nThat's understood. That's clearly understood. And you will come\nunder no pressure from us in that respect.\nD:\nI understand. Good, so I will tell them about the possibility of\njotting down some thoughts on the Syrian separation.\nK:\nI think we ought to talk about it. It's going to come up. We have a\nday - we don't really have a hell of alot to talk about in the other disengage-\nment.\nD:\nRight. We¹ 11 do this.\ng\nK:\nGood. And I'm brining along Bunker, Sisco, Atherton and I'm\nbringing along the head of our legal department, somebody called Maw,\nwho I'm grooming really to become more substantive.\nD:\nYes. I think I saw him once when Eban was here you brought him\nin.\nK:\nYes, he's outstanding. He was senior partner in Kreber,\n&\nD:\nGood so I'll inform them about this too that you're coming with.\nYou are not taking Eagleburger with you.\nK:\nWell, he's been sick.\nD:\nYes, he couldn't take the pace.\nK:\nI'll take him if he absolutely wants to go but I would like him to get a\nrest.\nD:\nAnd Peter is coming of course.\nK:\nOf course Peter is coming.\nD:\nCan't move without him.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nK:\nYour source of information.\nD:\nHe's such a lovely boy. He's afraid to ask me even how the weather\nis. Maybe he would leak.\nK:\nI have said he is the only person I know who went from boyhood to\nsainthood without the convening manhood.\nD:\nThat's excellent.\nK:\nOK.\nD:\nFine, so you will be leaving by tomorrow night.\nK:\nMidnight. When are you leaving.\nD:\nI'm leaving tomorrow afternoon about 6:00. In fact I'm taking\nmy daughter with me because\nK:\nMr. Ambassador, for 6 hours I'll be without your supervision\nI may take a girl out. Is that alright.\nD:\nWell, if it's alright with Nancy it's alright with me. I wouldn't say\na thing.\nK:\nOK. Well, I'll do anything else to assure you, for six hours I won't\ndo anything serious.\nD:\nFine, I appreciate it.\nK:\nLike my mother-in-law used to say to me. When I'm gone you'll\nappreciate me.\nYou know the story -- where one fellow says to the other\nD:\nSo you did huh? / You know I'm going to get married. He says, who\nis the lucky girl. He says their mother. [laughter] So you don's feel there\nwould be need for us to meet.\nK:\nNo, we'll meet for half an hour.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSec. Gen. Waldheim/HAK\nJanuary 9, 1974 - 10:16 a. m.\nW:\nThis is Waldheim speaking.\nK:\nHello Mr. Secretary General. How are you?\nW:\nMy very best wishes for the new year.\nK:\nGood wishes for the new year to you Mr. Secretary General.\nW:\nI wish you good success, good health and good nerves.\nK:\nThe latter I need more than anything.\nW:\nI understand that fully. Thank you very much for your kind\nletter. I answered it immediately.\nK:\nI have received it and I'm very grateful to you. Mr. Secretary General,\nI called you to tell you we've been trying to get the Israelis to come up with\na complete proposal. You are of course familiar that they put out models and\nthey destroy them and they dance around. So the President has therefore\nasked me to go to Israel to force them, force them is the wrong word, but\nsee whether I could get a concrete proposal.\nW:\nYes.\nK:\nAnd if that succeeds we will then inform the Egyptians and then\nhave it put up in Geneva. I just wanted you to know Mr. Secretary General\nthat I will be just taking a quick trip to with a stop in Egypt and to Tel Aviv\nand then I'll come right back here. Of course we will keep you immediately\ninformed.\nW:\nI had the intention to xxxxx contact you from my side but I highly\nappreciate your calling me. I hope this trip will be successful and that\nwe can overcome the difficulties. I had thought that it was more or less\nsettled, this disengagement, of course not definitely. But I had a good\nfeeling that this disengagement problem will be settled within the next few\nweeks, before the end of the month. Do you still feel that this is possible.\nK:\nI still think this is possible but we were afraid from the way these\ntalks were going in Geneva that they were talking themselves into a deadlock.\nW:\nYes. Well if you can\nout there. I thought this was in connection\nwith the fact that the Israeli government didn't want to make any final decision\nin this regard before the new government was\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nK:\nThat may be the case. And I think it is going to make good progress.\nW:\nAbout this misunderstanding apparently during the Dayan visit with\nyou. You know that our people did not leak anything.\nK:\nNo, there was no misunderstanding. We just wanted to find out what\nyour understanding was. There was no problem.\nW:\nI'm glad to hear that. Because we were not quite sure. We had\nthe impression that perhaps the Israelis thought that\nK:\nNo, we just wanted I wanted to understand from your people\nbecause we were getting one report from the Israelis and a different report\nfrom the Egyptians.\nW:\nAbout the models\nK:\nYes, so we wanted to find out what your people thought.\nW:\nNo, they were very clear in regard to this and they only spoke of\nmodels yes?\nK:\nYes.\nAlthough frankly you know from a diplomatic point of view\nI've never heard a procedure where you put up a model.\nW:\nThere is apparently thought that the Israelis didn't want to put\nforward concrete proposals.\nK:\nBut you know it's dangerous to put up a model that you're not willing\nto accept.\nW:\nNo, I'm very glad that you have this approach. I think it is really\nnecessary and high time now that they are coming out with concrete\nK:\nWell, you see my concern Mr. S. G. is, if everybody waited for\nthe elections. Now if we are all waiting for the cabinet it can be February\nand the President thought whether, if we could crystallize a proposal we\nwill then have it negotiated in Geneva.\nW:\nExactly.\nK:\nBut Alternatively what I would do if we can get an agreement in\nprincipal on something I would write you a letter the way I did the 6 foreign\nagreements. And send it to you and then you could handle it the way you\nhandled the other thing.\nW:\nFine. I would certainly appreciate this procedure very much indeed.\n2\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nK:\nBut in any event whatever we do it will involve you in an intregal\nway.\nW:\nWell, I'm certainly at your disposal. When the moment comes\nI see that we can get together and whatever you think we can do in this regard\nwe are certainly happy to do it.\nK:\nGood.\nW:\nWhat is your timetable. Do you think that we will return to Geneva\ntowards the end of the month or beginning of February. What is your ideas\non this regard.\nK:\nIt's possible but maybe the beginning of February = Middle of February\nmaybe.\nWL\nMiddle of February.\nK:\nThat's what I would tend to think now.\nW:\nI would certainly appreciate if you could let me know about this too.\nK:\nI haven't any concrete ideas. It could be early February too.\nFrankly, I'd like to take a vacation the last week of January.\nW:\nYou deserve it highly.\nK:\nSo I hope you will see to it that they'l be no international crisis.\nW:\n(laughter) I wish I could give you any guarantee in this regard but\nI really think you should take some leave after you return from the Middle\nEast. I'm at your disposal and in case you should think that one of my\ncollaboraters should go down to Washington to discuss one of the other\naspects with your collaboraters, this is fine. Please just let me know and\nwe'll contact your people directly.\nK:\nAnd we of course appreciate his role very much.\nW:\nHe's a very fine man.\nK:\nAn excellent man.\nW:\nVery good and he knows the problem very well.\nK:\nHe's been very good.\nW:\nI'm glad you like him. And\nin Geneva and I think he's agood\nliaison to your people.\n3\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nK:\nExactly. And of course we appreciate your role to Mr. S. G.\nW:\nThank you very much. I will certainly continue to do my best\nto be helpful.\nK:\nThank you and I will be in touch with you.\nW:\nThank you very much for your kind information.\nK:\nGoodbye.\nW:\nGoodbye Mr. Sec. of State.\n4\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nGov. Linwood Holton/Kissinger\n10:32 a. m. - 1/9/74\nK:\nHello.\nH:\nMr. Secretary, Governor Holton. You've got yourself a man.\nK:\nWell, I am delighted that you are doing it. It means -- to tell\nyou the truth, I already offered it to someone in the State\nDepartment - the best foreign service officer I have. I had\noffered it to a man whom I really made Under Secretary. It\nis going to be painful to me to tell him I wanted someone more\npolitically astute.\nH:\nOh, I recognize that. I hope I didn't breach any confidence by\ntalking to Governor Rockefeller last night.\nK:\nOh, no.\nH:\nHe told me he left your office thinking this was done and couldn't\nbe undone.\nK:\nAfterwards I thought about it and said why not go for the best man.\nH:\nWe are flattered. My family is one who discusses things like\nthis and the children are delighted that you chose me.\nK:\nI hadn't even told this to Nelson. When he left my office he\nhad to think it was done and I couldn't do anything. Lin, here is\nthe procedure. We have to go through a security check so it\ncan't be announced for about a week. That doesn't make any\ndifference to you, does it?\nH:\nNot abit.\nK:\nAlso, I am going Thursday night to Egypt and Israel again and\nI ought to be back by the middle of next week. Then, with your\napproval, I ought to announce it next week or the following week.\nI want to be in the city when it is announced so I can make a\npersonal comment on it.\nH:\nThat's all right. I finish this job on Saturday noon this week.\nThere are a couple of details I need to mention. I am going to have\na helluva problem adjusting to a salary when I have had all the other\nthings. What is the salary?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2\nK:\n42. 5 or maybe less. I don't know for sure. It could be 38. 5.\nH:\nWill you do e verything you can to get the highest possible salary.\nK:\nI will get you the highest salary the law permits. But I think that\nis absolutely fixed by law.\nH:\nBut if you can get me the highest. One other thing is an appropriate\ntime to tell Hugh Scott.\nK:\nWe are going to tell Hugh Scott. Give me a few days. I have got\nto handle that State Department fellow first.\nH:\nI understand.\nK:\nCertainly, we all have to tell Hugh Scott, but if you want to do\nit first that is fine.\nH:\nHe won't violate the confidence, will he ?\nK:\n(Laughs)\nH:\nOr will he ? He is my key man over there, I've got to tell him.\nK:\nYou have got to tell himbut wait until I get back here. I will\ntalk to you again before\nH:\nThank you. I look forward very much to working with you.\nWhen do you think I would be coming up there?\nK:\nWell, you have to be confirmed. I will put up your name on\nJanuary 21st and I think they'll confirm you in a week and I will\nswear you in so by February 1st you ought to be aboard. I want\nyou to get on top of that Congressional session fast.\nH:\nI want to do that. I am very excited about it.\nK:\nYou can teach me a helluva lot about politics. Where are you now ?\nH:\nIn Richmond. I will be in Roanoke in my home. I'm listed in the\nphone book but I don't remember my number.\nK:\nBe sure my office knows where to reach you.\nH:\nRight.\nK:\nGood, and I will talk to you when I get back.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSecretary Kissinger - Governor Rockefeller\nJanuary 9, 1974\n11:25 a.m.\nK: Will you stay out of my office from now on? You've upset the\npersonnel structure of my whole office. I've just hired Gov. Holton.\nR: Already? You're kidding.\nK: He just accepted.\nR: Oh, Henry, he's the most wonderful person. I'm so pleased it's\nhappened.\nK: So, I've got a governor on the political side.\nR: I think that's the most exciting thing. I'm SO delighted. Really.\nK: Well, I called to tell you since I told you I wouldn't do it.\nR: I don't know how you did it, and so fast.\nK: You must have talked to him.\nR: Well I did talk to him, but\nhe was being dfered the head of that\nrailroad, you know\nK: AmTrak.\nR: Yes, and I told him I thought that was going to be a headache and\ncouldn't begin to compare\nK: I think he's going to be terrific.\nR: Oh, yes. He's very bright. He's a brilliant guy.\nK: After telling you I want to do it I thought about it and thought.\nI would try it. I had so much opposition by the political people from\nthe other.\nR: I have a feeling you won't regret that.\nK: I'm sure I won't. Thank you for coming in, too.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2.\nR: I'm so excited. I loved seeing you yesterday. I was keeping\nmy fingers crossed.\nK: I'm going off to Egypt tomorrow night. I'm going to Aswan to see Sadat\nthen Israel and then back to Aswan I'm going to shuttle back and forth\nuntil its done.\nR: Marvelous. Thanks for everything, Henry.\nK: Bye.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nJerry Warren/Sec. Kissinger\nWednesday, Jan. 9, 19734\n11:45 a.m.\nK: Jerry, on this trip, can you say on background that it was\nat the specific request of the Israeli Govt and the Egyptian\nGovt.\nW: Specific request of Israelis\nK: Yes. That I am coming over to work out the details of this\ngame and of the Egyptians, but don't let them attribute it to\nanybody. Deep background. For their guidance. Can it be done?\nW: I think so -- at specific request of Israeli Govt and at the\ninvitation of the Egyptian Govt.\nK: Right. If you want to explain why I am going.\nW: Yes. To help work out the details.\nK: And to see if we can get the process of this negotiation\nreally underway. You understand if we can get some approaching\nof the positions we will then put it into Geneva. O.K.? You\ncan also say we have talked to the Sec. Gen. of the UN.\nW: O.K.\nK: And we have also informed our allies and the Soviet Union.\nW: O.K. Thank you.\nK: Fine.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Dinitz - Secretary Kissinger\nJanuary 9, 1974\n11:50 a.m.\nK: Mr. Ambassador. I was lonely and I thought I would talk to you just\nto say we have had another day without any leaks. from Israel.\nD: There was no leak.\nK: I know, I just called to tell you you haven't screwed anything up today.\nJust for the guidance of the press, we have said we are coming at at the suggestion\nof your government. So don't deny it, will you.\nD: No, no. How are you going to present it, that the President\n?\nK: That the President has sent me to Egypt and Israel to work out more\nconcrete proposals there\nto be helpful.\nD: Yes. I had a session this morning with your friend Marvin Kalb on his\nbook and I was giving him the scenario of the airlift. When it will be published\nSchlesinger will not be happy. That's the talk\nK: Was it new to him?\nD: Yes. The fact that five days after the war yet Schlesingersoffice\ntellme me there are five planes a day.\nK: We couldn't figure out how to send half a plane.\nD: We were talking about the phantome, you remember.\nK: I remember it very well, you came to my office right after that.\nD!' That was a dramatic night.\nK: The Defense people have been told to behave themselves.\nD: Good. Schlesinger had breakfast with you yesterday, right?\nK: Monday or Tuesday.\nD: Yesterday, right. It was a good breakfast I heard. I asked Scowcroft\nto keep a watchful eye on them. If they don't change 100 licy by Thursday,\nand we get a good report. If they come again with a negative report, that\nwould not be good.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2.\nK: Can you come at the end of the day for a brief talk?\nD: Of course. about 6:30? To the State Department. You never invite\nme anymore to the White House. Is it because you are ashamed of me?\nK: You think that's a mor e important place? Well if you want to come\nthere you could.\nD: I was kidding.\nK: I have a limited sense of humor.\nD: That's not a fault anybody can accuse you of. Dayan said that about\nyour sense of humor. The trouble is I told him half of the time when you\nare joking you are really serious.\nK: Don't disillusion me.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nGen. Scowcroft/Sec. Kissinger\nWed., January 9, 1973\n12:00 noon\nS: Are you ready to have Al Haig mention Holton to the\nPresident.\nK: It is all set.\nS: I don't know if he has talked to the President about it.\nK: I have talked to Haig.\nS: I am behind.\nK: Holton has accepted.\nS: And Haig knows.\nK: Yes.\nS: Great.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSen. Pell - Secretary Kissinger\nJanuary 9, 1974\n2:40 p.m.\nP: I have two points which are somewhat related. First , the constitutive\nsubcommittee on ocean, environment and scientific affairs is in the process\nof setting up, which was fainally enacted into law, is filling the Assistant\nSecretary job I wanted to put in a word for a fellow for his technical knowledge,\nbackground and such, Fitzhugh Green who is one of the candidates on the\nlist. He worked for me setting up\n,\nworked for me in USIA, then\nran for Congress in my state (did not win).\nK: What's his name again.\nP: Green. His background in oceans, worked with me , in envirinment\nhe worked with Ruckleshaus, or whoever is running it now, and having\nrun for Congress as a Republican, I wanted to make this push for him\nas you go over the different names.\nP: I appreciate it very much. I haven't looked at his papers yet. I'm not\nreally ready to make that appointment yet. I will do it in the next three or\nfour weeks.\nP; Well he's a first class man, of excellent character and he could do the jdo\nvery well. The other point I'm calling about concerns the Senate resolution\ncalling for some executive response in connection with environmental warfare\ntreaty. The hang-up is not at State but over at Defense. I thought with your\ndouble hat (the NSC position as well as the other) there might be something\nthat could be done to get a reaction from the administration to get it moving\nahead. with the treaty. It has received the approval of the North Atlantic\nTreaty Organization, there was an 80-12 vote in the Senate. The US could\ntake the lead in a field where the determination would have pretty wide acceptance.\nThe Defense reasons for holding it up are not known to me (maybe they have\nsome hot new intelligence, but) but I thought you might be persuaded to take a look\nat this and perhaps help to get it moving ahead.\nK: Let me take a look at it.\nP: Thank you. I highly appreciate it. I do think this is an area that could\ngive us a position in the world we have not had. Thank you and God bless you\nfor being on the phone.\nK: If there was a time you couldn't reach me at least on the phone then I\nshould leave.\nP: Thank you I appreciate what you say more than I can say.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGeneral Scowcroft/Secretary Kissinger\nJanuary 9, 1974\n5:25 pm\nK: I am talking here to the Vice President and I think he ought to get\na briefing along the lines of that briefing we had yesterday of the various\nmissile types of the Soviet Union. So that when the SALT issue comes up\nhe can start from a base of knowledge.\nS: That would be useful.\nK: Why don't you arrange that for him?\nS: I will.\nK: Get in touch with General Dunn. Let\ndo the briefing. And have them\nuse the charts they used at the Verification Panel Meeting.\nS: I agree. I'll set it up.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Vest/Secretary Kissinger\nJanuary 9, 1974\n6:08 pm\nV: That's my fault.\nK: But what can we do about that now?\nV: We can\nK: You know they will all write about\nV: I'll be on the phone to several of them right now.\nK: Would you do that? Just say he is a valued member to whom I\nwant to give substantive assignments but he hasn't had too much\ndiplomatic experience. That is the reason.\nV: right.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSecy Schlesinger/Secy Kissinger\n8:23 a. m., January 10, 1974\nK:\nJim, I am off tonight and I just wanted to make sure that when the\nIsraelis come over today -- they're not seeing you but I understand\nthey are coming over to see your military people.\nS:\nI believe Wickham has got that straightened out but I'll check on that.\nK:\nRight. I understand that they had a much friendlier message on the\nphone. But since that will be the last time they hear from Defense\nbefore I get there --\nS:\nRight.\nK:\nIf we could be particularly forthcoming.\nS:\nRight.\nK:\nAnd this is the best time to wrap it all in together anyhow.\nS:\nNo question about that, Henry. I don't know how that got off the rails;\nI thought the signals were very clear throughout the system.\nK:\nYou know, I'm not saying this critically. I'm just wanting to make sure\nthat there are no slips. The second problem is Vietnam military\nequipment. I feel that if we could get in some visible anti-tank weapons --\nS:\nI've got them working on that now.\nK:\nGood. Terrific.\nS:\nNow, Henry, I remind you of your letters to Sadat and to Faisal in which\nwe indicated that it would be difficult for us to be forthcoming while being\ndiscriminated against.\nK:\nRight. The strategy that we are pursuing, if you agree, is we will get\nthe agreement done. And then there will be not one Israeli moving\nback a yard until the embargo is lifted.\nS:\nThat's fine with me. Just as long as those fellows know who has got\nthe muscle.\nK:\nThere will be no move of Israelis until the embargo is lifted.\nS:\nGreat. Now you're talking.\nK:\nOkay.\nS:\nGood piece of work.\nK:\nThank you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nDonald Kendall/Sec. Kissinger\nThursday, January 10, 1973\n11:10 a.m.\n[1974]\nDK: Hello, Henry.\nK: How are you?\nDK: Fine, thank you. I don't know whether you have heard but\nthey have kidnapped another one of our people in Argentina.\nK: Pepsi?\nDK: Yes. They took one in August. I talked to Jamison of\nEXXON. They took one of their people also. I told him I\nthought it was about time the US companies called a halt to\nthis. We are not going to pay anymore ransom. The one before\nthey started with a million and a half? and they finally\ncame down to $70,000 and when we got him back turned out he\nwas mixed up in it. This one is for real. They contacted\nus this morning and told us to name a figure of how valuable\nhe was. Our people are anxious to offer something nominal\nfee -- enough so they could keep it going -- $110,000. There\nare eleven guys involved and that would be $10,000 a piece.\nIf I do this, I am planning then to take a full page add in\nan Argentina paper and will say we are announcing we are\nnot paying anymore ransom money for people. We have advised\nour people and if they are worried to pull out of the country.\nRegardless of what they do we are not going to pay anymore --\neven if they kill someone.\nK: I am in favor of that.\nDK: I think the other companies should do that and may be\nit would be useful for one of your guys down there to call\na meeting of the companies down there and call a halt to it.\nOtherwise, it will just keep on.\nK: Good, I agree. I would prefer to wait until Bob Hill\ngets down there. That must be within a week.\nDK: I don't know where he is but I will try and get in touch\nwith him. When you get settled down with your present\nproblem I would like to have lunch with you someday.\nK: Good. Let's do that. I will be back by the end of next\nweek. Get in touch with me then.\nDK: Good. Thanks.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGeorge Vest/Secretary Kissinger\nJanuary 10, 1974\n5:10 PM\nK: Can you get an advance edition of the Washington Post\nfor on the plane? I understand there's a story in it.\nV: I'll get on it.\nK: Don't get on it now, it isn't out yet.\nV: I'll make the arrangements.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGeorge Vest/Secretary Kissinger\nJanuary 10, 1974\n6:14 PM\nK: That I'm talking to the Egyptian Ambassador today. Or\nthat I have.\nV: That you have. Right, sir.\nK: To talk about my forthcoming trip to Egypt.\nV: Who was with you, sir?\nK: Sisco and Anderson.\nV: Fine. OK. I'll make sure, Anything else?\nK: No.\nV: Did you get the memo I wrote sir, on a plummers story?\nK: I haven't seen the memo yet.\nV: I sent the memo earlier today.\nK: I'll get the newspaper on the plane.\nbuilding you up.\nV: No problem with the Washington Post.\nK: Why?\nV: I'm picking up Marilyn Berger and copies of the Post on the\nway to the plane.\nK: I don't know the story as yet, but I have a rough idea.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmbassador Dobrynin/Secretary Kissinger\nJanuary 10, 1974\n6:38 PM\n(Missed the first part)\nK:\nis to get a formal, definite proposal from Israel.\nD: Maps so to speak.\nK: With a map, so that we don't have to say this is a model\nor\nabout 45 kilometer withdrawals.\nwhere does it\nstart. And then I will propose to have it put into Geneva.\nD: As a proposal. Then you will go through your representative?\nK: Well, I haven't really considered how to do it.\nD: I understand. Matter of importance to make a proposal\nwhich could be announced.\nK: I will take Bunker with me on this trip. I will not bring\nhim back here. He will go to Geneva, and I will tell him to\ndo nothing until I return.\nD: Are you going yourself to Geneva?\nK: No. I will only go to Cairo and Aswan.\nD: I agree. I know - it's a nice place to meet. It serves\nAmerican auspices.\nK: Exactly. I have no intention of going to Geneva. If\nour friend in Amman has a heart attack, than I may jump over\nfor an hour to the airport. I certainly will not go to\nSaudi Arabia and other major\n.\nI just don't want to\nmislead you. If I go to London for instance, Immight meet\nDouglas Holme at the airport. I will not stay in and other\ncountry.\nD: You will be back by a week.\nK: I'm certain I will be back by Tuesday night.\nD: OK.\nK: Well, you know, I can't negotiate this thing, it's too\ncomplicated. My major purpose is to stop the games.\nD: To make a proposal and lay it down.\nK: And it's too damgerous.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nD: It's too important to begin really with something. Really\na push for them to go - otherwise for the first time they are\nsitting together.\nK: Exactly.\nD:\nI should think not only\nbut dangerous.\nK: Exactly right. And that's why I.\n.\nIt's really a lousy\nassignment.\nD: You mentioned to me on Thursday, maybe Israelis will give\nyou some reply.\nK:\nthat she was still sick.\nD: They cannot make any decision.\nK: They will not give a decision until I get there.\nD:\nreply which you mentioned to me.\nK: Didn't you see the statement he made? He came to tell me\nthey wouldn't make a decision until I get there. After our\nmeeting on Tuesday, I called him.\nuntil she was well. He\ndidn't\n.\nThat's when I really decided we had to use strong\nmeasures.\nD: But first you will go to Cairo.\nK: I'm just going for a half-day.\nD: And then to Israel.\nK: Well, the last thoughts that he had\n.\nD: He is puzzled.\nK: Frankly, between you and me, I don't want to go to Dayan\nand run to Tel Aviv as if I were an errand boy. I don't have\nto talk with Dayan until I get their plan.\nD: You know the position. There is nothing very much on this.\nK: Anatol, as a chess player, you know my tactics, we want to\nright to Tel Aviv. I want to make them a little nervous.\nD: It's a good tactic.\nK: That's between you and me.\nD: It's quite clear\n.\nI wish you the very best. Something\nshould be done.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nK: I couldn't agree more. Give my warm regards to your Foreign\nMinister.\nD:\nwaiting for the results.\nK: You will be the first to know.\nD: Through Scowcroft.\nK:\nThrough Scowcroft.\nD: Very best, Henry.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGeneral Scowcroft/Secretary Kissinger\nJanuary 10, 1974\n6:48 PM\nS: He said we move Strausz-Hupe to Sweden. He wouldn't\nmind that, I don't think.\nK: We don't have relations with Sweden. That has to wait\na while.\nS: Rush has to call Firestone before noon tomorrow.\nK: I'll let Rush do it, but I don't want to assign something\nfor Sweden until we talk to the Swedes.\nS: The story is going to break tomorrow. Any guidance for me?\nK: I haven't read the story. Keep me informed of what it says.\nMy view is that I should say on the trip that I'm not going to\nmake any comment while I'm in these negotiations. If forced\ninto it, I'll say that the investigation was being conducted by\nEhrlichman. Ehrlichman told me some of these allegations,\nwhich happens to be true.\nS: Apparently that's where the story comes from. That's what\nTimmons says.\nK: Those unbelievable SOB's. I don't know what twist they're\ngoing to five the story. I guess it's that we didn't tell\nthem enough and therefore they had to spy on us. Is that the\ntwist?\nS: That's what I understand - Moorer spies on White House.\nK: What can we say? My tendency would be to play it down. To\nsay the usual bureaucratic stuff. I would not take on the\nmilitary.\nS: No, I don't think so. And that part probably could be\ndenied, couldn't it? Any, well, I'm just concerned that while\nyou're gone we don't make statements that don't fully protect\nyou.\nK: I will not hold still again with what they did on May 22nd\nwith the National Security statement. Next time I'll take a\npublic position. Check them out with me before they put it\nout.\nS: Either no comment or it has to be cleared with you.\nK: Well, I'll talk to you later.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Sonnenfeldt/Secretary Kissinger\nJanuary 10, 1974\n7:53 PM\nK:\nenergy meeting.\nS: You mean for the big international one? I gather that\nall sorts of task forces are being set up in the Department.\nK: Well, you know task forces are for the birds - they\nnever produce anything.\nS: Why don't I get together with Donaldson in the morning?\nK: I want some think-pieces.\nS: Maybe Winston and Bill and I should get together.\nK: Of\n.\nDo you think Donaldson can make it?\nS: Yes, I think so. I think you have to be patient. It's\nall very new and different for him. I think the French will\nbe a problem. I think we'll have a meeting\n.\nK: I think they'll be pigs when they get there.\nS: I think they'll be like the Russians in the M meeting.\nWell, I hope you have a good safe trip.\nK: Successful?\nS: Give my love to my NATO friends.\nK: I won't stop there. I'll send Sisco.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Kissinger/Senator Stennis\nJanuary 10, 1974, 8:12 p.m.\nS: How are you?\nK: O.K., Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I'm going off tonight to\nthe Middle East, and I know the story about Admiral Moorer allegedly\nspying on me is going to hit the newspapers tomorrow.\nS: Yes?\nK: I just wanted you to know the\nwas handled by Ehrlichman\nexcept\ncomments which were made to me. It's axabs an absurd\ncharge because Admiral Moorer was a close collaborator of mine. It\nwas this yeoman who was leaking documents, as it turned out, to the news -\npapers. I have complete confidence in the Chairman. I have no independent\nknowledge of the allegations. On the face of it, they seem absurd to me.\nS: I'm certainly glad that you called me - for you to tell me so directly.\nI'm glad to know it. I imagine they'll be calling me or Mr. Hebert.\nK: I think the Chairman deserves your support, Mr. Chairman. They've\nattacked so many institutions that I don't know what's going to happen.\nS: I don't either. Just between us. I might - I don't like - I might just\nannounce rather early that I was going to go into it, take jurisdiction of\nit. Otherwise some other Committee might.\nK: I'm speaking personally.\nS: I want you to\nK: On a personal basis, I think that would be a statesmanlike thing to do.\nI would rather for your committee than some of these thatx are out for\npublicity. You know the military. You understand what various things\nmean. In Executive Session I would be delighted to tell you everything I\nknow, which isn't a great deal. Just for your information,\nhandled\nsome of the most sensitive things for us - on the China thing, for instance.\nWhy he would want to steal documents is beyond my comprehension.\nS: And it's contrary to the pattern of the man.\nK: It's contrary to the pattern of the man.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-2-\nS: Well. He called me about 30 minutes ago. Just called me to tell\nme the thing was coming out. He said he had talked to you briefly.\nK: I just wanted you to know. I wouldn't bother you except that I'm\ngoing on this trip. I don't feel in foreign countries I should be holding\npress\n.\nS: Well, it's quite helpful for me to have your call.\nK:\nSpeaking as friends, some of these people at the White House like\nEhrlichman were very often doing these investigations to build up their\nown importance.\nS: I agree.\nK: And he may have given it a twist that any knowledgeable man would\nnever put on it.\nS: In the atmosphere that's been generated now, some people will\nbelieve anything regardless\nK: I would think, Mr. Chairman - my knowledge isn't definitive. I'm\ntaking it\non my knowledge of the Chairman as a man. To protect\nthe integrity of the military would be a national service. I have no\nquestion about the Chairman.\nS: I'm just -- that's very good indeed. I remember once you and I were\nin with the President. I asked about calling Moorer in on a military\nquestion. I know how closely you worked together.\nK: Exactly.\nS: I saw it in operation from time to time. If they call me in the morning,\nI'll say I don't believe a word of it.\nK: You know, there's undoubtedly something to it, but not what they're\nsaying. I wouldn't necessarily assume that no documents were taken, but\nI don't think the Chairman\nS: No party to it at all concerning you.\nK: Exactly. I think if you backed up the Chairman\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-3-\nS: Well, I wish you well now on the trip. Walter Cronkite carried a\ngood statement about you tonight, and I've been feeling it every day -\nappreciating every day what you're doing.\nK: You've been a good friend and supporter.\nS: You're entitled to any encouragement and support I can give many\ntimes over.\nK: I'll take the liberty of calling on you when I return.\nS: You're doing a great job for our country. Best wishes. Good-bye.\nK: Good-bye.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Kissinger/Congressman Hebert\nJanuary 10, 1974, 8:22 p.m.\nK: I just want to check up how things are going in Louisiana.\nH: In Louisiana we have beautiful weather and rotten weather.\nK: You've got everything. The reason I called -- I've just been told\nthere's a story breaking in the newspapers about alleged spying by the\nJoint Chiefs who werex supposedly doing\nand since I'll be\n,\nin Egypt, I just wanted to say I have no information. It was\nsomething which was being conducted by Ehrlichman. It's absurd since\nthe Chairman had access to all relevant information. And it's totally\ninconsistent with his basic pattern as a man anyway.\nH: I agree with you.\nK: While I'm gone, I'm not going to be making public statements on such\na tawdry subject.\nH: On the whole, the - and as far as the Committee is concerned, because\nit involves the military, I'm still affirmative.\nK: I just don't think we ought to get the military dragged into this mess.\nH: I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to take\nK:\nthat I have confidence in the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of\nStaff.\nH: I appreciate your call.\nK: This is on a personal basis.\nH:\nI'm not going to get involved either. When are you leaving?\nK: At midnight. Good, Mr. Chairman, see you when I get back.\nH: Good luck to you.\nK: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmbassador Dinitz/Secretary Kissinger\nJanuary 10, 1974\n11:50 pm\nD: It was a misquotation because not only Peter was there but every\nother newsmen got it.\nK: What do you mean Peter was there? Does he accompany you to\nall your press conferences.\nD: No, no. He was escorting me. He accompanied me up to your office.\nHe was standing on the side. I know you would believe me even without\nPeter. I said we had invited Secretary Kissinger to come to Israel to\nhd p us formulate a proposal.\nK: The statement was in the Times. It was excellent.\nD: Yes and the Post and the\n.\nOswald Johnson was the only one\nwho\nK: If you would confine your comments to Jewish newmen whom you\ncould control.\nD: In know, I know, but\nK: This fellow is Oswald Johnson, who you don't CO ntrol.\nD: Yes, well he wanted to present the article this way. He said the\nmission, according to the Israelis was initiated by Nixon and Kissinger.\nK: My recollection is that it was Dayan.\nD: Yes. I said.\nK: OK, fine. Will you to the extent that you are asked, now, don't\nbring it up, that would just call attention to it, to the extent that you\ncan, would you put out the idea that it was done at your request.\nD: Of course.\nK: It is just for our domestic policies.\nD: Of course.\nK: Good. I just saw it this morning.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nSECRETARY KISSINGER WAS OUT OF THE COUNTRY\nDURING THIS PERIOD.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified."
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