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Secretary Kissinger
Art Hummel
1/30/74; 9:50 a. m.
K: Hello.
H: Good morning, sir.
K: Could you find out from the Japanese Ambassador who of course is
national characteristic of not being able to tell a lie what this
story is about of their deal with the Saudis?
H: All right, sir, I will try.
K: What do you think? There must be something to it.
H: I honestly don't know sir. They have -- uh, I'11 have to look in to it.
While I have you on about the Japanese, you know that you promised Yasukawa (?)
to get back to him and the time is long past, with whether or not we would
refuse to sign a bilateral if there is no trilateral. Do you remember this
query? Ken Rush is going to see Yasukawa but doesn't have an answer on
that point and there is no point in Ken Rush seeing him unless we can pin
that down.
K: As I understand it the Japanese are threatening us to go ahead in bilateral
talks.
H: No sir, they want to know whether we will hold firm and if so, how firm
on insisting on a trilateral.
K: We will insist on a trilateral.
H: Will we refuse to sign a bilateral? That was Yasukawa's question to you.
K: Well, frankly, I haven't gotten a clear answer from the President yet.
H: Yes.
K: We will certainly go very far in pressing for a trilateral and I've said
S o publicly.
H: Yes. All right. Go very far.
K: Just tell him, you know, that issue hasn't been raised yet but we have
raise them in the closest context with each other.
H: Yasukawa's going to be disappointed. There isn't a clear-cut answer
to that clear question.
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