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Amb. Dinitz/Secy Kissinger 4 D: Mr. Secretary, I can't resist it -- that anyone would believe that your visit has a soothing effect on anyone. (laughter) K: I treat Arabs differently from the way I treat Jews. I sooth Arabs. D: (laughter) No, I told Eagleburger my first -- naturally I pass it onto the Prime Minister. She has the cable by now and she is reading it. And I hope you have a reaction (today). But I told Larry what my first reaction is, and I am usually right on this, as long as we can separate the issues of the prisoners from your visit, I think we are preparing a very good ground for your visit. K: Well, look, what I would like to do -- As long as you work out -- I can hold out on the prisoners by saying that there's no sense my coming until I get the prisoners. D: Right. K: And I have that Latin American Foreign Ministers meeting, which in fact makes it impossible for me to come. D: Right. K: But just for term planning, it is hard in the face of the embargo -- if they offer to lift the embargo -- I mean, not to come then the week after this. D: Yeah. You mean, after the Mexican thing? K: Right. So just in terms of your own planning. D: Yeah. No, that I understand. And I have said this to Larry, that -- Well, I was hoping they would not from your point of view, they wouldn't tie your visit to the embargo but of course whatever they will do that is between you and them. But we for us, just in case -- and also for you if I may, Mr. Secretary, no matter what explanations will be offered, if you go to the Middle East before the issue of the prisoner is resolved, everyone will interpret it that you are coming to put pressure on Israel in order to give up on the matter of the prisoners. K: Unless I can demonstrate that you didn't give up on the matter of the prisoners. D: That's right. That it is so. K: Well, look, if your plan gets accepted --

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