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Release would disclose investigatory information compiled for law\nrights.\nenforcement purposes.\nD. Release would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of privacy\nG. Withdrawn and return private and personal material.\nor a libel of a living person.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential and returned non-historical material.\nDECLASSIFIED\nNATIONAL to Executive Order determined to be declassified. NA\nDOCUMENT WITHDRAWAL RECORD [NIXON PROJECT]\nDOCUMENT\nDOCUMENT\nNUMBER\nTYPE\nSUBJECT/TITLE OR CORRESPONDENTS\nDATE\nRESTRICTION\n1\nTelcon\nHAK and Sir Alex Nouglas. Home (3pp)\n2/12/74\nB\nif\nTelcon\nHAK and SN Akc Doughs-Home (1p.)\n2/12/74\nB\n3\nTeleon\nHAK and the President (3 pp.)\n2/12/74\nB\nSANITIZED\n4\nTelcon\nHAK and Hugh Scott (2pp.)\n2/13/74\nA\nSANITIZED\nFILE GROUP TITLE\nBOX NUMBER\nKissinger Transcripts - Telephone Conversations\n24\nFOLDER TITLE\n1974 11-15 Fcb. 10) 10\nRESTRICTION CODES\nA. Release would violate a Federal statute or Agency Policy.\nE. Release would disclose trade secrets or confidential commercial or\nB. National security classified information.\nfinancial information.\nC. Pending or approved claim that release would violate an individual's\nF. Release would disclose investigatory information compiled for law\nrights.\nenforcement purposes.\nD. Release would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of privacy\nG. Withdrawn and return private and personal material.\nor a libel of a living person.\nH. Withdrawn and returned non-historical material.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION DECLASSIFIED S.GPO; 1989-235-084/00024\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nNA 14021 (4-85)\nTELCON\nGen. Haig/Sec. Kissinger\nMonday, February 11, 1974\n3:40 p.m.\nH: How is it going?\nK: So far so good. It is going to come out alright. Nevertheless, the\nsituation, and we should not kid ourselves is exactly as I described it\nand I hope he does not dribble overthem too much tonight.\nH: I don't think he will. I told him he can't.\nK: There is no confrontation. The French are isolated but we are not\ngetting what should be happening -- a response of united action. They are\nall looking for ways of getting into talks with the Arabs/producers before\nthey know what they want. The basic theory they are not willing to buy.\nWe will get enough to make it look respectable. There is no strategic\nconception there.\nH: Yes.\nK: It will end respectably. We can claim it a success.\nH: Right. Right. When will they be finished Henry.\nK: Tomorrow night.\nH: He is not going to speak formally tonight. He will just draw from\nthe remarks that were given to him and keep it informal.\nK: The situation is much better than the press reports it. That is totally\nnonsense. Every speaker this morning more or less supported us and\nthe French are going to be difficult but it will turn out to be manageable\nwithin a basic long-term framework but it does not have what you need\nif you want to do -- not NATO of the 50s.\nH: Right. Right.\nK: The embargo is almost certainly going to be lifted this week or early\nnext week.\nH: Have you gotten that from the Saudis?\nK: Yes. Not as a result of the letter but as a result of our threat of\nstopping all diplomatic efforts. The Syrians have accepted the Israeli\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2.\nHaig\nFeb. 11\n3:40 p.m.\nprocedure proposal and I have refused to transmit it to the Israelis\nuntil the embargo is lifted. I have told the Israelis informally. It\nis not an Israeli proposal. It is my compromise between the Israeli\nposition and the insane Syrian position. It is so complicated that it is essentially\ncrooked but each can claim -- there are about seven steps that have to be\ntaken in a 72 hour period before the negotiations start but each can claim\nhe has backed the other one down.\nH: That can give lip service to the conditions for the embargo.\nK: Now that the Syrians have accepted it and now that I have refused to\ndo it until the embargo is lifted I think this will give them the vehicle.\nH: Great.\nK: Did you see the Evans-Novak column today. Is it true -- did the\nPresident have an emissary there?\nH: Hell, no. I don't know where that came from. It is not right as\nyou know. You know all that I know.\nK: I don't exclude that he sent someone there.\nH: If he did, he did not tell me. It is inconceivable.\nK: It is inconceivable that I would not have picked it up somewhere along\nthe line. Makes no difference. It looks like it will be lifted. Sadat has\ncalled a mini-summit of the Arabs for Wednesday prior to the oil meeting\non Thursday.\nH: Good.\nK: Even Yahmani has said it is going to be lifted.\nH: That is good.\nK: It proves that the only thing these guys understand is toughness.\nWhen we were sucking around them, they kicked us in the teeth.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n3.\nHaig\nMonday, Feb. 11\nH: I think that is right.\nK: You will tell this to our leader.\nH: Yes I will be seeing him in a few minutes.\nK: Tell him to stay steady. Be concilliatory but not groveling but\nnot to believe the bullshit about the great cooperation they are extending.\nH: O.K. You will be here tonight.\nK: Yes. I will try to see him for a few minutes.\nH: Good, Henry.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGeneral Scowcroft/Secretary Kissinger\nFebruary 11, 1974\n5:35 PM\nK:\nand some horses ass in the White House sent a message that there\nis to be no response to the President's speech tonight. Now, the Europeans\nhave the President of the European Council of Ministers there who failed\nand he prepared a response. They say they don't want to pick the guy.\nThe Europeans have already picked a guy and so has the conference.\nS: I don't know where that information comes from. But the President\ndoes not intend to give a toast.\nK: But he's going to say something.\nS: Well, he's going to - yes he's going to say something.\nK: Well let him wind it up with a toast and somebody's got to response for\nChrist's sake.\nS: Al just came down and said the President does not want to have a toast.\nK: Well go back to Al and tell him for Christ's sake they're all going to\ngo back and consider it an insult. If somebody's can't reply for them.\nS: You mean whether or not it's a toast.\nK: Look, all he's got to do is to toast cooperation or friendship or something.\nS: I already sent him a proposed toast to do that toast to the succes of\nthe conference and the end of his remarks. And Al just came back down and\nsaid the President decided he doesn't want a toast, he's going to finish\nhis remarks and say let's go have coffee. I didn't know you were interested.\nI'll go back to him.\nK: I wasn't interested until Scheel came to mes all excited.\nS: OK, well let me see if I can\nK: It just isn't worth it - do you think it's worth it?\nS: No. Let me see if I can turn it around.\nK: If not, let me know. You know it's not the worse thing either. But\nany other problem?\nS: No.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nScowcroft - page 2\nK: Now it looks as if the embargo is off again. I mean, they're going to\ntake it off.\nS: It looks good today.\nK: Yes.\nS: Looks very good.\nK: Yes.\nS: Do it again. We're not there yet.\nK: He'll think it is because of the letter he had. By the time he handed\nthe letter we already had the reply.\nS: That's right. I haven't pointed that out. OK, I'll get back to you.\nK: All my team is mad at me because Jobert gave a really vicious speech.\nS: Did he.\nK:\nAny I replied very gently.\nS: Good.\nCHARACTERS\nK; I just figured I don't want to have those\nto go off and say he\ngot my goat.\nS: I agree with you.\nK: Don't you.\nS: Oh, absolutely.\nK: In fact I didn't reply at all. He quoted a senator to criticize the\nPresident and I just said cjould he give us the name of the senator and\nlet it go.\nS: Good, I don't think you ought\nK: Right.\nS: OK, I'll get back to you.\nK: As soon as possible.\nS: Right.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nPresident Nixon/Secretary Kissinger\nFebruary 11, 1974\n6:30 PM\nK; Mr. President.\nN: Hi, how are you, Henry.\nK: I just want to bring you up to date on how that conference went.\nN: Yes. Fine.\nK: I gave the talk and Simon gave a very good talk. We just laid out\nthe problem. Then Ohira, everybody gave talks supporting our position.\nOhira was excellent. Schmidt spoke for Germany because Scheel\nhad represented the European community. Schmidt was superlative,\nand if you have a chance to say something to him tonight you might mention\nthat. Home was pretty good. Good you could say. And he was supported,\nwell to make a long story short, everybody was good. Except Jobert,\nwho was a bastard. He made a really vicious speech, in fact people\nwere groaning, misquoting your State of the Union Address, quoting\ndemocratic Senators as to how bad our policy is, it was awful.\nN: Yes. We'll just ignore that.\nK: I think we should ignore it tonight. Where we will be tomorrow now\nis simply this; if the other eight Europeans stand up to Jobert we can\nhave a good communique, if they don't stand up to him then I should think\nwe should say the hell with it and that we met and we had a nice meeting.\nI don't think we should fake a great success because the Saudis have now\ncome to us and offered us bilateral deals and we shouldn't bind ourselves\nso we can't get them to work with us. Incidentally I hardly dare tell\nyou but we have\nassurance.\nN: Al told me, I got that.\nK: And also the Egyptians are going to announce that restoration of\ndiplomatic relations with us shortly after that.\nN: That's good, well, I just hope the Europeans will stand up to this\nfellow, but who knows.\nK: That's really where we stand at the conference.\nN: Right.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPresident - page 2\nK: We have superlative support if you look at Time magazine they have\na picture of Pompidou, you'll see that he's\nN: Yes, I know.\nK: He's just no longer functioning. It was a really disqraceful speech.\nN: Well, we expected that, I guess.\nK: Well, Mr. President, if anybody has been pro-French, it's been you.\nN; God, yes.\nK: What have we done to these people. If they did this to Kennedy, that's\none thing, but I suppose French domestic politics, and if you look at\nFrench history.\nN: Well, we'll see , they can change too. I don't know whether they\nwill, but I hope.\nK: Well if he dies, everyone thinks that Giscard is staying on as one\nof his possible successors. He would be much more cooperative.\nN: Of yes, yes. He's a sensible man.\nK: You've met him?\nN: Yes, yes. Well, we'll do our best.\nK: You might flatter Scheel a little bit. He'll probably sit next to you,\nbecause he's the ranking member.\nN: Yes, I know.\nK: He'll respond, he's been pretty good, he's a weakling.\nN: I know.\nK: But we need him to get that communique through.\nN: Right, OK. I'll give him a little pat on the back. Thank you Henry\nand get a rest.\nK: Right.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nDavid Frost/Sec. Kissinger\n2/11/74 10:35 p. m.\nK:\nDavid, how are you!\nF:\nAll the better for hearing you, how are you?\nK:\nFine, when did you get back?\nF:\nI just got back yesterday. and I was here in the States all this week\nand I just wondered by any lucky chance whether you had a free meal\neither lunch for the two of us or dinner when I'd love to introduce you\nto a heavenly lady, or whatever.\nK:\nAh- -\nF:\nI know it's been a helluva week for you.\nK:\nHow much longer are you going to be here?\nF:\nUntil Sunday - we could meet in Washington either Friday or Saturday\nK:\nWho is the young lady.\nF:\nA lady who is absolutely--\nK:\nDo I know her?\nF:\nI don't know - she I suppose one of the couple of leading models in New York\n--a - lady called Karen Graham who is absolutely glorious\nK:\nNo,\nF:\nIf you felt like a foursome for dinner or a twosome for lunch\nK:\nDavid, today and tomorrow I have the energy conference and I may\nhave to go to Key Biscayne with the President who is leaving on\nWednesday-- may I call you at that number tomorrow afternoon?\nF:\nLovely, super.\nK:\nI would love to see you either for lunch or dinner\nF:\nWhatever is best for you - -it's been too long and I miss seeing you\nK:\nI couldn't agree more--we will do it soon I will call you tomorrow\nF:\nGood--and may you have an enjoyable next coulple days as is practically\npossible\nK:\nThat is wishing me a lot considering there is a bunch of maniacal Frenchmen\nhere.\nF: Kright. Bye Henry.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nGeneral Scowcroft - Secretary Kissinger\nFebruary 12, 1974\n7:45 ap.m.\nS: Yessir.\nK: I thought maybe you were out too.\nS: No, I'm here.\nK: Everyone else seems to be. Have you noticed, I think we are\ngoing to crack that embargo.\nS: Yes. It looks awfully good. I just saw the latest one in, and I\nthink we are too. I think that's great.\nK: And on the conference, I can't reach the President. Can you\nleave a note for him.\nS: Do you want to talk with him.\nK: He's at Trader Vic's.\nS: Oh, I guess that wouldn't be good to talk to him there. Sure I\ncan leave a note for him.\nK: The Europeans have decided to go alone, not as the community.\nAs a result they are now working on our communique. We will get\na unanimous vote on all but one, on which there will be three negative\nvotes. It looks very good. I think the French are going to cave overnight\nand come in with some zinger.\nS: That's great.\nK: We have broken the Community, just as I always thought I wanted\nto.\nS: The thing is after having gotten them to agree at the Council, then\nto come in and go individual. I think its great.\nK: I think its going to be a good lesson to the French not to monkey\naround with us.\nS: That's terrific, just terrific.\nK: The French tried out a compromise on me this afternoon which\nI rejected. My worry is that if we cave this time, the next time nobody\nwill be with us.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2.\nS\" That's the problem. Then the next time\nK: Actually, what they proposed would be quite tolerable\nif I trusted the sons of bitches.\nS: Well and if the others go along, you've got to keep the\nfaith with them.\nK: Well, we've got to have the conference again tomorrow. We're\nmeeting again at 10:00.\nS: This SALT meeting\nmaybe we ought to put it off completely.\nK: Do it Thursday.\nS: I think you've got to have time to think about it.\nK: We've got to move it to Thursday.\nS: Right. You haven't had time to focus on it.\nK: What have these maniacs done. Why must I meet with the\nRepublican House Committee.\nS: That is one\nK: I understand meeting with the Republican policy committee,\nthat I understand. Why must I meet with the House policy committee.\nIt's exactly the same, why do I have to meet with the House.\nS: You agreed to do it. This was a long time ago.\nK: That Timmons has about as much sense, well I don't know how\nlittle sense he has, he has none.\nS: This was before the Republican policy Committee every came up.\nK: What's the sense of it.\nS: Just to stroke the Republicans who are supporint\nK: I can't be in a partisan position.\nS: You already talked to the Democrats.\nK: I met with the Democratic policy Committee.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n3.\nS: This is the equivalent\nK: I can't be thrown into one goddamned thing after another.\nWehn will we have the Verification Panel?\nS: Well, we'll have to figure it out. When are you going to Key\nBiscayne.\nK: Friday afternoon.\nS: We've got that SRG Friday, maybe we could slip that.\nK: Good, fine.\nEND\nsdd\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nLarry Eagleburger/Secretary Kissinger\nFebruary 12, 1974\n7:45 PM\nK: Sisco told me he left a memo for me about the NEA position.\nE: NEA position?\nK: His replacement.\nE: I haven't seen it. He may have left it with my girl after I left.\nK: No, that was during the day.\nE: I haven't seen it. I'll check there and get it into you right away.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSir Alec-Douglas-Home\nFebruary 12, 1974\n7:55 p.m.\nH: Well, we all stuck it out and said there must be a follow-up.\nK: I got the\nI knew the situation around 5:30, has it changed\nsince then. Well, why don't you tell me what it is.\nH: We met about, well it ended up about quarter past six. The position\nwe are all absolutely firm with the French is that there must be a\nfollowup on this conference. We simply could not tolerate failure.\nJobert sa d they couldn't have a followup of any kind and we thought\nwe had better come back to the plenary as soon as we could. We\ndecided to meet as a committee at 10:00. But the way we feel on\nthis is that we are absolutely solid unless there is a followup, we\nwould in the plenary simply have to say we all agree to appoint\nofficials to a followup meeting and France will have to reserve its\nposition.\nK: That's tolerable.\nH: Jobert has gone back for instructions to Paris. It would be\nvery bad as you have said to have as an end a sort of washy formula,\na papered over thing.\nK: We will accept nothing that has not previously been accepted by\nthe European Community. We will not make a deal with Jobert\nand then push the Community.\nH: You have to tough with Jobert.\nK: Let me tell you, he said it would be ok to have a group working on\nR&D and\non what else\non conservation.\nH: Yes.\nK: But not to prepare anything, not to go beyond a very strict\nBy R/MIN NARA, Date 11/30/2016\nNLI009-16/12518 Per Hr. 2013\ntechnical thing. He would be prepared to have a Council of Ministers\nat the OECD where France would then give assurances to vote for\nE.O. 13526, Section 3.5\nDECLASSIFIED\nthe establishment of a working group. The trouble with that is\nif this conference, representing the OECD and 85% of the world's\nenergy consuming nations can agree on nothing mar e than OECD\nMinisterial meeting and then makes a decision it hasn't made with\nthe Ministerial group plus about 6 other small countries, that is\njust not acceptable. We would be prepared to have the conference\nmake the decisions later, to have some, or most of it taken over\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2.\nby the OECD. Then France could join it. We are not determine d\nto push France against the wall here. If the Council proceedsas\nyou just mentioned, when the OECD meets to ratify the working\ngroup, we would be glad to have it designated as an OECD working\ngroup. That at least would not be a Washington run group and if\nit helps anybody's self-respect, we would be prepared to have\nthe President of the Commission backed as the convener of the\nfirst group, just to get the thing together.\nH: One difficulty in the OECD, is I don't know how we can keep\nthe others out. What about Spain and all those countries ?\nK: That's exactly the problem. My experts tell me it is a perennial\nproblem of the OECD which has in the past proved insoluable.\nH: The thing must be kept in the control of the Ministers you have\nbeen at this conference.\nK: Exactly, that is exactly our view.\nH: OK. We will watch it tonight. I think it would be very disastrous\nif it were a washy sort of thing.\nK: You can be absolutely certain we are not going to\nwell I am\nnot going to see Jobert even until 10:00 at the plenary. Please\nreassure your colleagues we will make no individual arrangement\nwith him. As I told you, he proposed a compromise but I told him\nwe wouldn't accept it.\nH: OK. That's just fine. Peter and I must leave by 12:00 tomorrow\nmorning.\nK: Oh, you will be at the conference?\nH: Yes, we put off our departure but\nK: Should we move up the session ?\nH: If you could it would be a great help.\nK: We will move it up to 9:30.\nH: Thank you very much.\nK: One other thought, not related to the conference. I have been\nimpressed with the way the finance people have established a rappor t\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n3. I\nI am told that Shultz, Barber and some others meet from time to\ntime on an informal basis and,\nwhat would you think of doing the\nsame thing on foreign minister level.\nH: That would be a lot meetings, we have all got careful diaries,\nhaven't we?\nK: Oh, yes, if you think I would want to add one more day to\nmy schedule,\nbut if it would be a help to avoid some of the\nthings we have gone through. Of course, its really a question of\ndogma rather than consultation\nbut\nthink about it, and\nH: Let's have a brief word about it tomorrow morning.\nK: I will try to move it up to 9:30\nEND\nsdd\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSir Alec/Secretary Kissinger\nFebruary 12, 1974\n8:05 PM\nK: I just wanted to explain why I told Jobert he could go back for instructions.\nI was afraid no matter what he said I would refuse, he would then cable\nsomething that would create an uproar for the European community. I\ntold him I was certain the President would not accept that proposition - and\nhe didn't. We would not yield from that position. You and your colleagues\ncan be absolutely assured of that.\nA: Speaking, he said, well the Foreign Minister meeting can meet next\nweek and we will then agree to the steering committee.\nK: I, for one, can't do it next week. It would be an absurdity. It would be an\nunworthy thing to do. Why not set up a steering committee and let the CECD\ncouncil accept it later. The French associate itself with it that way.\nA: Another great Fitzgerald. I got that quite clear. He takes the small\npoints and beats it do death. I wonder about that Dane. That Dane is not\nquite all there.\nK: I think the British cannot be held responsible for an Irish vote.\nA: OK, I understand. Thank you.\nEND\nDECLASSIFIED\nE.O. 13526, Section 3.5\nNLN09-16/12519 Per 11/14/2013\nBy RJ 25 /MIH NARA, Date 11/30/2016\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nSANITIZED COPY\nTELCON\nSecretary Kissinger - The President\nFebruary 12, 1974\nK: Hello.\nN: Hi, Henry.\nK: Oh, Mr. President, for God's sake, I didn't think they would put\nyou on first\nN: That's all right, I just called because I've got to go out to\nK: No, no, I just asked them to put in a call to you. The matter\nstands now that every\nN: Everybody's on but the French, but the others can't go without\nthe French.\nK: No that isn't even clear yet, Mr. President.\nN: Is there anything I can do, a word to Jobert, or\nanything, I don't\nknow.\nSANITIZED\n3.3(b)(1)\nK: I've just had Jobert in here and we have just\nAnd, he's just now offered me some\npossible compromises which I would like to discuss with Shultz and\nBurns and others who know how this machinery operates. The conference\nwill almost certainly have to go into tomorrow.\nN: Will the people stay?\nK: Yes, except the British.\nN: Yes, I was rather sorry I was hoping to have private chat with Home,\nnot about this business but about their politics, but he wouldn't stay over\ntomorrow.\nK: No, he has to get back because he has to campaign, but I've already\ntold him your position.\nN: Yes, I told him last night, good luck, good luck, that's about everything\nI could say, you know. But he knows?\nDECLASSIFIED\nE.O. 13526, Section 3.5\nwww9-16/125200rsne33W)Jtr 8/20/2012\nBy RJ IWIH NARA, Date 11/30/2016\nSANT DECLASSIFIED\nthe Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2\nK: Oh, yes.\nN: Good.\nK: But this, I think llcome out all right because the briefing that\nall these guys are giving is sotally in our support.\nN: Good.\nK: And its not us against Europe, it's France against us and that's\nnot, that's not a disaster for us.\nN: No sir.\nK: And all of the Europeans, in fact what's happening now.\nN: And the Japanese.\nK: They are with us.\nN: Right.\nK: I had a meeting, I had a lunch confined to Ministers\nN: Yes.\nK: and the Japanese , in that rather inesplicit way of theirs you know,\nnevertheless supported our main proposal.\nN: Right.\nK: So, the real question is the thing we have to be careful about, if\nwe accept the French compromise and have all the others feel we let\nt hem down. Basically the French compromise is the following: They\ndon't want this conference to set up machinery that is semi-permanent\nbecause they don't want Washington to get the credit for having done\nit, I mean that's in the crudest way\nN: Right.\nK: what the issue is, but they have now proposed to me that there be\na conference held in a month in Paris under OECD which would set up\nthe machinery and they would be willing to have a few machineries of\na temporary nature set up between now and then. The difficulty is if\nt hey would promise their vote at that conference.\nN: Yes.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n3.\nK: The difficulty Mr. President is that if we get to that conference,\nthey might promise us their vote on the big things and then drag us\ninto guerilla warfare on oil instrumentation, and having in effect\nin the minds of the Europeans, caved this time, they will never hold\nfirm again. At least this time we've got everybody. If the French\nget away with it this time, even though the compromise doesn't\nstrike me as unmanageable\nN: I don't think it is unmanageable. but\nI.\nit looks like the French,\nlike the tail wags the dog.\nK: and the trouble is at that other conference if they really want to\nsabotage this effort, there are some people who think they could\norganize some votes against us. That I don't believe, but they wouldn't\nhave to organize votes if they stand up against what we want we sort\nof have had it.\nN: Right.\nK: Also Pompidou might die, and, in the interval, and then no promise\nW ould mean anything. I m a little reluctant to ask you to authorize a\nchange in our position at least until a little later in the evening.\nN: Yes, well I've got to go over to Alic Longworth's birthday for about\nhour,\nK: I know, I should go too.\nN: But I'll be back at by six and available anytime.\nK: Well there's nothing, the Europeans are caucusing now and we have\na plenary at 5:30 so nothing can possibly happen until about seven or\neight o'clock.\nN: Well, I'll tell you one thing, with great subtelty but with unmistakeable\nclarity, they all understand that economics and security are linked. What\nI was telling them last night they damn well beter understand\nK: Have you\nyou have been told, of course, the tremendous play your\nremarks received.\nN: Did they get quite a play.\nK: Oh, yah. It was on every morning show, 5-10 minutes of television\nand it was the lead article in every paper, so\nN: Good. Well, good luck. if you're still talking to Jobert, love and\nkisses and all that crap. Thank you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nThe President/Sec. Kissinger\nWednesday, Feb. 13, 1974\n11:55 a. m.\nK: Mr. President.\nN: Hi, Henry. How are you.\nK: We are practically finished and we will have a good communique. Every-\nbody accepted in effect our draft almost verbatim with France abstaining\nfrom three paragraphs. the most operational paragraphs, but nevertheless,\nafter the orgasm of our press for three days about that Titanic confrontation\nwith Jobert he winds up having no votes and we have all of them. The communi- -\nque is essentially the one we drafted. We got about, I would say, 90 percent\nof what we wanted.\nN: Let's be sure we get a little credit for it. After all we worked these\npeople hard, had them to dinner told them the facts of life.\nK: Have you seen the Reston column today.\nN: No. I have been to the hospital all morning. Just got in.\nK: He is praising your remarks on Monday night.\nN: Really.\nK: The whole column is on your remarks.\nN: Monday night?\nK: On Monday night and supporting them.\nN: Good, good. You have done a great job Henry and I know it has been\npain and suffering and all the rest. I direct the doctor, Lukash, that --\nhe said you had not used that rubber -- and he will be over tonight to\nrub you down. But you use him everynight that you need him. A couple\nor three times a week.\nK: I have a Business Council Dinner tonight and after that I would love\nto have it.\nN: Business Council.\nK: Yes.\nN: Well, fine, fine. The mainthing upbeat and things are going to work out;\nwe are working on embargo and all of that.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2.\nThe President\nFeb. 13, 1974\nK: ON the Embargo, Mr. President, I am confident that it will be lifted\nin a week.\nN: Sounds that way from the thing I saw last night and this morning that\nyou sent over here.\nK: They are having a summit meet of Faisal, Boumedienne and Sadat\ntoday and tomorrow.\nN: Incidentally, I got your message late last night about the conference\nand I think that is just the way to handle the French -- isolate them.\nThey don't want to be isolated. The interesting thing is though that all\nthe other countries would be willing, you know, to go along. The\nEuropeans were supposed to have unanimous vote you remember. That\nis why I made the little crack that I made at the end of the dinner because\nour friend the Canadian had told me that we have to be unanimous. I\nsaid well you aren't going to do anything then. He was not mean about it.\nK: Last week, Mr. President, the Community took a decision and today\nthey have split apart on it eight to one. It is a lesson to everybody.\nN: There is no confrontation with the Arabs, is there?\nK: Absolutely none.\nN: Make that point very clear will you in your -- when are you going to\nbrief?\nK: About 3:00.\nN: Make it very clear that you and I have chatted, etc and that the\nPresident particularly pointed out that this was not by way of confrontation\nwith the oil producing nations. On the contrary it is in their interests to\nhave first a market they can count on and at a price that is reasonable --\nwhatever you want to say. And that we all want to do that. We look forward\nto working with them in the same cooperative spirit that we worked here\nand we look forward to working with them in their economic development\napart from oil. All that old jazz.\nK: We meet again at 12:30 and we are down to a very few minor paragraphs.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nP. 3\nThe President\nFeb. 13, 1974\nN: You might tell the conferees you have talked to me and I was very\npleased with the results. Tell them this -- you might say that the\nPresident said -- I did not include this in my toast - - you can say\nin these days of summitry there is the tendency often to credit\n-- for the attention to go and the credit or discredit to go only to the\nheads of government or heads of state because we meet in various\nthings, but that I have always said that the real credit goes to the\nministers and that I consider the foreign ministers, the economic\nministers, ministers of finance, etc and their colleagues that they are\nbasically the artisans -- the peacemakers -- the peacebuilders --\nwithouth them there could be no success between meetings of heads\nof government and state and I particularly appreciate the hard work\nthat they have gone to do to produce. Anything like -- something like\nthat might be helpful.\nK: Right, Mr. President. I will say this. And I am planning to come\ndown to Key Biscayne on Friday night.\nN: Only if you feel it will help you.\nK: I would like to do it.\nN: That will give you two days tx down there.\nK: Goodbye, Mr. President.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nNIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS PROJECT\nDOCUMENT CONTROL RECORD\nITEM REMOVED FROM THIS FILE FOLDER\nSANITIZED\nA RESTRICTED DOCUMENT OR CASE FILE HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM\nTHIS FILE FOLDER. 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And he hopes there is some future for himself somewhere.\nI don't know the problem.\nK: Let me talk to the President. I don't even know John Lodge.\nS: He was an Ambassador and.\nK: I know.\nS: He is multilingual. Has fluent French and Spanish.\nK: Let me see what I can do.\nS: He is lonely. I did speak to the President about John Sherman Cooper.\nK: That I have very much in mind.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-2-\nS: And I told the President the other night you would be talking\nto him at some point or other.\nK: I have and we are thinking of some possibilities.\nS: Needs a comment one way or the other John's a good man.\nBut the Friedland thing is the reason for my call. If you can help I\nwould appreciate it.\nK: I will call immediately. I look forward to seeing you on the trip\nto Mexico City.\nS: It was nice of you to include теи.\nK: You're doing a tremendous public service.\nS: Thank you.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nArthur Burns/Sec. Kissinger\nWednesday, Feb. 13, 1974\n3:22 p.m.\nB: Henry, I want to congratulate you. I think you came through in\nvery fine shape. Have you had your press conference?\nK: No. I am waiting for distribution of the communique.\nB: I think you should speak from a platform of great confidence. I\nwould not say anything about the French.\nK: I will be very concilliatory. I will not say anything pro or con but in\nreplying to questions I will be very concilliatory. In terms of the\nconference we won every single point.\nB: Absolutely. The way Scheel fuzzed it up on the second conference, I\nthink, is good. You cannot have a consumer/producer conference without\nthe consumers talking first -- two weeks before, two days before or two hours\nmixxxxx before.\nK: I agree. I think we have come out perfectly.\nB: I am very pleased.\nK: I think it is good we let the Europeans do our fighting for us. We were\nnot too eager in the early stages and we were firm when necessary.\nB: I think they are hungry for your leadership.\nK: I think politically it turned out a great success. They have now cancelled\nthe Foreign Ministers meeting for tomorrow. There will be no Arab proposal\ntomorrow.\nB: Have they. I am delighted. I talked to Donaldson 15 minutes ago and\nhe did not know that.\nK: They cancelled it this morning.\nB: Fine.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2.\nBurns\nFeb. 13, 1974\nK: Now we are really -- there will be plenty of time. It was a good\nconference and your contributions, Arthur, were of great help. You are\na wise man.\nB: Nonsense.\nK: No. You are a wise man. It was invaluable.\nB: Henry, you should be very pleased.\nK: The price of this of course is that every time I do a major thing, I\nwill have to get you over here.\nB: Ha. Ha. I will tell you, I think you -- you did your basic XXXXIX thinking\nand planning well Henry.\nK: You helped tremendously.\nB: Good luck, Henry.\nK: Many thanks, Arthur.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmbassador Bruce/Secretary Kissinger\nFebruary 13, 1974\n5:05 PM\nK: I just wanted to thank you for your help in these days.\nB: No help at all. I thought your press conference went absolutely\ngloriously.\nK: God will punish me for saying things about the French I don't feel.\nB: When are you going to tell me what you want me to do.\nK: To take a trip through England. It basically\n. We had a sort\nof victory.\nB: I don't frankly think it will be all that useful. Can you get somebody\nto guide me on how to do it. Maybe H .\nK: H and Sonnenfeldt. The only question is the British election. Should\nyou go before or after.\nB: I don't think there's any point in going to England. Maybe I can see\nyou sometime next week. Any time after Tuesday.\nK: Good. Thank you, it was a joy to work with you.\nB: My pleasure, I like artistry.\nK: You're a good friend.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGeorge Vest/Secretary Kissinger\nFebruary 13, 1974\n7:20 PM\n(Missed the first part)\nV:\nTripoli meeting.\nK: Total nonsense.\nV: I can say there's nothing to it whatsoever. That's what I want to say.\nK: Is it already on the air?\nV: It's already been done.\nK: We made no request of any kind with respect to the Tripoli meeting.\nWhy doesn't he check with you. Can you raise hell with him.\nV: Yes sir.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nWinston Lord/Secretary Kissinger\nFebruary 13, 1974\n7:40 PM\nK: I want to thank you and your staff for all the help you gave me.\nL: Thank you.\nK: I know where a lot of the intellectual leadership came from. I know\nit's impossible to satisfy me.\nL: I think we came out pretty well.\nK: Actually our preparations were even better than the conference.\nL: I appreciate you calling.\nK: I have to explain\nwouldn't run all over the place making\ncompromises at the staff meeting.\nL: I would say you handled the bureauocracy of it beautifully.\nK: When we're in that position\nwe can only do the right thing.\nIt doesn't make any difference any more.\nL: We did the right thing on this conference.\nK: That we did.\nwe would have been\nup without anything.\nAre you at home?\nL: No I'm here.\nK: That Latin American speech has to be more hard. I think in Latin\nAmericant's position\n.\nL: I think we'll be ahead of the game.\nK: I want to do it before next week.\nL: We'll get into it 2 or 3 days before. We'll try to get it into better\nshape by Friday.\nK: Yes, get it in better shape by Friday.\nL: Thank you for calling.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nZiegler/Sec. Kissinger\nThursday, Feb. 14, 1974\n9:30 a.m.\nZ: On the Japanese thing yesterday --\nK: What Japanese thing?\nZ: Your meeting with the Foreign Minister yesterday - what came out of\nthat meeting. Is Hirohito coming here for a visit.\nK: We said that nothing had changed in the President's statement and that he\nis planning to visit and we will be discussing dates at some appropriate\nmoment. Which is where it stood.\nZ: Good.\nK: Nothing new. It is exactly where it stood.\nZ: I also understand the they also make something new about travel\nSolzhenitsyn -- after your comments yesterday. I think we should say\nsomething although it should be very brief.\nK: I would say nothing if you can avoid it.\nZ: Not possible. I don't want the President to look totally aloof from the\nthing and the Lipsetis after this.\npress\nK: They are after us no matter what we do.\nZ: What would you suggest that we say about it that would not be --\nK: Just say we have great human sympathy and we respect him as a writer.\nBe careful not to blow the Soviet relationship. The Lipp (?) press will be\neven more after us.\nZ: If they pick up what you said -- that he would be welcome in the U.S.\nK: Certainly he would be welcome. Be careful because the Russians take\nwhat the White House says terribly seriously.\nZ: Right. Just a very few words -- the President has great human\nsympathy. It will not affect our day-to-day foreign policy. If asked, of\ncourse, he would be welcome.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2.\nZiegler\nFeb. 14, 1974\nK: I would not say day-to-day foreign policy. I would say our basic line\nof our relations.\nZ: Alright. On the oil conference. Anything there?\nK: No. I would say the President believes we achieved exactly what we\nset out to do and we consider it a complete success which happens to be\ntrue.\nZ: We were asked yesterday whether or not the President had asked\nthe Arabs to postpone the Feb. 14 meeting.\nK: Absolutely not. For your information, these maneuvers are a device\nto get the embargo lifted.\nZ: I understand. I just wanted to know what line to plane on that. O.K.\nK: I will be down tomorrow night\nZ: We have said you were coming down.\nK: I have heard it on the radio.\nZ: And that you were coming down to\nK Don't schedule me while the sun is up.\nZ: I don't think you will have much to do. We will say you will talk about\nthe Middle East, the conference\nK: And the Latin American Conference. You should associate him with that.\nZ: Anything else?\nK: That's all. Don't say anything else about the embargo. I know you\nwould not, but you might just avoid any questions. We have been specifically\nasked not to make any governmental statements while they are meeting.\nZ: I want you to stand in line in one of these gas stations. It might spur\nyour enthusiasm to work some foreign policy miracles.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSec. Butz/ Sec. Kissinger\nThursday, February 14, 1974\n12:25 p.m.\nB: I am in Oklahoma. You are getting good coverage on the energy\nconference. It is not as bad here as made out in the paper.\nK: What do you mean -- we had a total success.\nB: Comes out in the paper that way. I am planning a trip to Japan\nin April. They are our number one customer in agriculture. I think\nI am talking about a three week trip -- Europe, Brussels to confer with\nthe EC and probably make a stop in Moscow and three or four other places.\nMy staff feels there is an advantage if the Secretary of Agriculture could\ngo into the People's Republic of China.\nK: I don't think you can go to Moscow and Peking on the same trip.\nB: O.K. If you think it appropriate to go to Peking, I would probably\nnot go to Moscow.\nK: Let me look into it.\nB: Our trade people have good liaison with Peking. We think they will be\nour biggest customer -- more than Russia.\nK: We don't want to give it that high a profile, and they don't. Let us\nhandle with them informally.- To see what their reaction is.\nB: Alright. I'll wait to hear from you. I'll be in town the first of\nnext week.\nK: Let us make the contact.\nB: Alright, Thank you, Henry.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGeneral Scowcroft/Secretary Kissinger\nFebruary 14. 1974\n3:00 pm\nK: Brent, Will you tell Ziegler to make no comment about the news\nticker that the Saudi and Egyptian Foreign Ministers are coming over\nhere until we get a little clearer picture. Say we have had a garbled\nreport, and it is essential that we keep quiet.\nS: Good. I'll call him right away.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSecretary Kissinger - General Haig\nFebruary 14, 1974\n3:30 p.m.\nK: Al, how are you?\nH: OK, except for this double pneumonia I've got.\nK: Oh, no. And that's terribly debilitating if its the same thing\nI have had.\nH: Its awful. How are you doing?\nK: I'm doing OK.\nH: Did Brent tell you about that goddamned Philadelphia thing.\nK: Yes. But let's not worry about that now.\nH: Well, I assure you it was wrong.\nK: It doesn't do any good to seem to be split. The difference, A1,\nis if I say it it looks generous, if you say it it looks as if I am being\ncut up.\nH: The sons of bitches, nobody else heard it that way.\nK: Al, I am calling about something else. That mini summit in\nAlgiers is sending the Egyptian and Saudi Foreign Ministers over\nhere.\nH: Oh?\nK: And we think it is going to be good news but we could\nwe can't\nbe sure. I have to stay here and wait for them and then I think I should\nbring them to Key Biscayne.\nH: If its good news. That's fine.\nK: If it is not good news, that's why I think I should greet them here\nwith them arriving here. I'll stay here and wait for them and,\nwhat's the President's schedule.\nH: He's going to leave here on Monday.\nK: I mean, he isn't going over to Walkers Key. I'm assuming I can\nbring these quys down Saturday afternoon.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPage Two.\nH: I wish you could come down here SO you get your rest.\nK: And I wouldn't announce it at the St. Department but bring\nthem down to the President and let him announce it with these two\ncharacters standing next to him.\nH: Absolutely, good idea.\nK: Let's not say the President is going to see them. We don't\nknow what the news is yet.\nH: We'll just stay cool until you assess it.\nK: We'll just say we have reported to the President and he is\naware they are coming. We will be in close touch. Because\nI don't know\nthe sons of bitches, they just sent a message,\nthat Egyptian Foreign Minister, he thnks he's such a good friend,\nhe just sent a message -- I am coming and bringing Saqaaf with\nme that's all. We don't know what he'll say, whether there\nare three more conditions, that they will do in in June or when.\nH: Right.\nK: So, its a good thing to have us see them anyway because we can\ntalk to them about the energy conference. It will teach a good lesson\nto the Europeans about who's got muscle.\nH: The conference was\nyou performed a miracle.\nK: We got 99% of what we asked for. Keep the President's schedule\nfree of Saturday afternoon.\nH: OK.\nI might bring them tomorrow night or on Saturday.\nH: All right.\nK: I will report immediately what they have to say. We've got no\ngurantee what they are going to say getting off the airplanes. I can't\ncontrol that. but nothing will be said at the State Department.\nH: Rifht. There is great sensitivity about how this is done.\nK: I just think it is too dangerous to let them come without going\nwithout knowing what they've got. It might be a slap in the face.\nH: Right. I think its the right way to do it exactly.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPage Three\nK: OK. I'm going to bring them down after we know what it is.\nYou can decide how to handle the publicity. I would play it low key.\nWe don't want to get into a position so they think they can slap it\non again either.\nH: All right, Henry. Ill wait to hear from you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nLord/\nSecretary Kissinger\nFebruary 14, 1974\n5:14 p.m.\nK: How are you doing on the speech.\nS: Fine, it's half typed/ You should have it in half an hour.\nK: You can send it to my house.\nS: OK. You want it sent out there. Fine.\nK: Because I am leaving.\nK\nYou can meet at 10:00 then -- I'll have read it by then.\nK: Good.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nThe President - Secretary Kissinger\nFebruary 14, 1974\n6:15 p.m.\nK: Mr. President.\nN: I just called to congratulate you. We got the cable on the plane\nand I showed it to George, he's off to the West Coast, and Ziegler\nwas there and everybody thought it was terrific. it was really great.\nK: Well, we got 98% of what we wanted.\nisolated\nN: As a matter of fact we\n/the French, at least we got them to\ncome around some\nTotally,\nK: In addition to the communique, the fact of the matter is that\nit taught an important lesson to the European community.\nN: The point is the European Community,=instead of having that\nsilly unanimity rule, learned they can't gang up against us and we\ncan use it now, we can use it on trade, security, with everything\nelse.\nK: Exactly.\nN: Its an historic breaktrhough, people will see it later, Henry, and by\nGod it was a hell of a thing.\nK: Your speech on Monday night was terribly important.\nN: It was a shot across the bow but nobody could really be mad. at\nme.\nWell, everyone got the point including Reston and\nK: /You made the connection between the economic and the military\nN: That right\nyou can't separate the two.\nK: Well, it really turned into a major success. I gave a press conference\nthis afternoon\nN: Oh, how did it go, Henry?\nK: Very, very good. You know they usually needle me and try to show\nN: And they've been writing what a disaster the conference was going to\nbe, and was, and then all of a sudden they have to write, I mean it must\nhave, how were they, were they sheepish\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nThe President\npage two\nK: Oh, yah, they said how did you do it, what happened, are there\nany secret concessions you had to make. I said look how could you,\nthere were 13 people there how could you make with 130 people in the\nroom. And everyone, lot of questions about the isolation of France\nso I was very generous to the French and said of course they are\nold friends.\nN: We understood, we said we needed them all, we understood that\nthey'd all had reasons for going into business for themselves, but\nafter all they had to realize, but\nI think the line that its good\nshort term politics but disastrous long term statesmanship. That's\nthe thing we've got to keep hammering.\nK: It taught us an important lesson if we really throw our weight around\nwe can have our way. Another thing. We had a message from the\nSaudis, saying its 95% certain that they' re going to get the embargo,\nthat the embargo will be lifted. They're already in Algiers.\nN: As of when, Henry?\nK: I would guess by the end of next week.\nN: Not this week huh?\nK: Well I think the decision will be taken this week but we won't be\nable to talk about it because it will have to be ratified next week.\nN: Yes. but the Saudis are totally positive?\nK: But, oh yes, but the press is so much against it now, I means\nits talking it down so much that whether it happens this week or next\nweek it will be a huge success.\nN: Well, the main point is I got Simon at the fore and I really nailed\nhim to the cross, I said now Bill I don't know what's going to happen\nI think we may get it sometime, I said first, OK there's going to\nbe no rationing, second, I said I want those service stations filled\nup so we don't have those damn lines. Two or three weeks after\nit is lifted, he said, I will givethem 100% of their requirement.\nHe's got oil running out of the ears.\nK: That's going to, I think the embargo will be lifted within the next\n2 weeks at the latest.\nN: Then I could have a press conference right afterwards.\nK: Exactly, also, if you plan a press conference, Mr. President for\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nThe President\npage-\nthree\nweek of the 25th, that would turn out very good because we would be able\nto announce the resumption of relations with Egypt.\nN: Yes, yes. a couple of brief things I mentioned to Al. First I talked\nto Finch about Japan, he doesn't want to be an ambassador anyplace so\nhe's out, which is fine because he'd be a fine ambassador but we need him\nhere. Second, I think that Hodgeson would be ahell of a good man if he'd\ntake it, he was an excellent Secretary of Labor, and\nK: No, no, I think its a good idea.\nN: He's a businessman, and also he's totally our man, you know what I\nmean. Now, the other one is that I would like to do, don't know if he\nwill take it but I want to offer it. I think we ought to offer London to\nDave Packard. If Packerd would take it you know maybe that WO uld be\nK: Oh, that would be great.\nN: Wouldn't that be superb.\nK: That would be a great appointment.\nN: And then you see as a senior ambassador over there, even more\nthan Walter, he could help Straus-Hupe in NATO he could help with\nthe European Community, he understands so much, and of course if\nwould be great for the British.\nK: I'm seeing him tonight at the Business Council should I run it past\nhim.\nN: Absolutely, I told Al, I said to be sure, as far as I'm concerned\nI'd like to have it offered to him. Tell you what you do, if you see\nhim tell him the President has been trying to reach him or something\nlike that and I want him to know I wanted him to do it.\nK: Oh, yes I'll put it entirely\nN: You could say that I called and that we, I think its such a terribly\nimportant post, He wouldn't have to go until first of May. Walter wants\nto stay through April, I think. And look, its the Court of St. James,\nDave has got money running out of his ears, his wife's a big socialite,\nthey've got a magnificent Embassy. He'd be one of the stars in the\ndiadem, wouldn't he.\nK: He would be terrici. terrific\nN: Why don't you tell him that, will you. Another thing I mentioned\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nThe President\npage four\nI really would like to give John Cooper something, I don't know what, but\nK: I agree, I've been looking for something.\nN: How about Egypt?\nK: No, Mr. President we have to have a professionial in Egypt, because\nthat's too hairy. The guy we've got there is the best man to send.\nN: Well maybe we elevate him. You see John and his wife are great\npeople and.\nK: He couldn't handle Sadat. I'd rather give him East Germany.\nN: East Germany? Are we going to recognize those bastards.\nK: He's a great German Lover and, oh yah, everyone else has already\nN: When do we do it.\nK: Well, whenever the West Germans have completed it. We'll be the\nlast ones to do it.\nN: Fine. All right. I would like for you to give him a call as I mentioned\nit to him at AliceLongworth's party last night and I said John I want you\nto do something\nconsider it\ntell him this is an historic first and\nwe want the best we can have and would he take East Germany. That\nwould be a terrific thing, it would be a great signal to all of our list.\nJohn Cooper's loyal and will do what he's told.\nK: Oh, yah. and its not all that complicated business.\nN: Well if you'd give John Cooper a call and say I talke to you about it\nand say we talked about a post, East Germany will be open and would\nhe be willing we want to hold it open to him.\nK: Excellent.\nN: I'll have Hodgeson, I want to do that one myself, he's done some\nwonderful things lately for us on the labor front, voluntarily, he's\nW orking for Lockheed you know. If he would take it that would give\nus a damn good man in Japan. Former Secretary of Labor, former\nsenior Vice President of Lockheed, you know, he's a real pro.\nhow's that sound to you.\nK: It sounds excellent, outstanding.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPresident\npage five\nN: Fine. You tell Dave Packard we want him to the Court of St. James,\nsecond I think old John Cooper would love it, Lorraine would love it\nlove to be offered it anyway.\nK: I'll call them tonight or tomorrow morning.\nN: No hurry, you know what I mean, just so you do it, because I told\nhim I was thinking of something. When do you go to the Business Council\nright now.\nK: in about half an hour.\nN: I told you to cut down your schedule, why the hell do you go over there?\nK: I thought it would do the Administration some good.\nN: Everything is helpful, but you know we don't want you falling apart.\nNow I told the fellow when I got my physical out there today that\nthat\nguy that a masseur. He said he'd only done you once, and I said every\ntime you want it. so tonight he'll be there if you want him. If you don't\nwant him.\nK: I've already arranged it Mr. President.\nN: Does it help you?\nK: I love it.\nN: All right, fine, but you have got to be available for it. He comes in\naround 10 o'clock. Now look, he does Sgt. and chicken cols, why can't\nthey do our Secretary of State.\nK: Its terribly thoughtful Mr. President.\nN: When do we see you then, Saturday?\nK: Friday night.\nN: OK All right Henry, it was a great day wasn't it.\nK: It turned out magnificently, its almost the communique we had\nsubmitted ourselves, almost word for word, it took about three days\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPresident\nPage six\nof maneuvering, but we managed it. but your speech was, that really\nconvinced them that we meant business.\nN: Is that what they told you.\nK: Oh, yes.\nN: You see I was very subtle, as we said on the phone, I didn't\nhit them with a sledge hammer, but I got the point.\nW\nK:\nhat was even more important is that a number of them came\nup to me without any prompting on my part and said they wanted to\ntell me that they would report to their governments that you were in\nmarvelous shape, you know,\nN: Oh, that I looked good.\nK: Yes, that you looked good, you acted\nN: I did it all without a note as you know, the fact I did it without\na note I think impressed them.\na\nK: Your whole demeanor your confident manner, your delivery,\nN: Yes, they had to be convinced of that.\nK: and the subtelty.\nN: Good, take care of yourself, give my best to the Business Council\nand tell them By God, they have got to\ntake them onto the high road\nHenry, tell them we mustn't think of these miserable, parochial things,\nwe got to think the peace of the world is in our hands, you know, and\nall of history will judge us for how we act in these next two or three\nyears, you know that right/ What are we going to do, screw around with\npolitics or are X we going to do the big things? That's what this is all\nabout, you know it and I know it.\nK: Exactly.\nN: OK, enjoy your rubdown.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGeneral Scowcroft/Secretary Kissinger\nFebruary 14, 1974\n9:05 PM\nK; Can you position Ziegler on the visit of those two Foreign Ministers ?\nS: OK.\nK: He asked, will the President see him, it will be arranged arranged\nafter they get here. Let's leave it open. We don't know what their\nmessage is.\nS: That's what worries me. Let's keep them quiet.\nK: I would like deferring to see them until Sunday afternoon. The trouble\nis if I see them Saturday night he will make me bring them down Sunday.\nS: Trying to keep them up here from Saturday night untill he gets back is\ngoing to be tough.\nK: If I see them Sunday afternoon\n.\nS: That's possible.\nK: Isn't it worth it or am I wrong.\nS: The problem will be keeping him relaxed down there when he knows\nthey' re up here.\nK:\nno machine.\nS: No.\nK: That's fine.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nBill Simons - Secretary Kissinger\nFebruary 14, 1974\nS: Want to congratulate you on an absolutely superb job.\nK: Well you're terrific. I think this was one of the best prepared\nconferences I've seen and you were a terrific help.\nS: Well,\nK: If I can keep you off television, you'll be a friend for life.\nS: I will guarantee you I will make every effort to do that.\nK: I thought it was great.\nS: It was great because of your leadership, that's why and no other\nreason, I've enjoyed working with you and I look forward to the next\nstep whatever that is, and pitching in with whatever we've got to make\nyour job easy.\nK: You were terrific Bill and its the first of many successes.\nS: Are we going to establish the next effort fairly quickly?\nK: We'll send out cables this Friday.\nS: Super.\nK: And I've already nominated you to be\non the commission,\non the committee, I don't know whether you'll accept but I said it at\nthe press conference.\nS: Fine.\nK: Mr. Donalson and you will be the key members.\nS: Good, that's perfect.\nK: Where are you going to be, in Palm Beach, get a good rest.\nS: Yah, I'm leaving right now, I'm out at the airport. I spoke to the\nmanaging editor of Newsweek about that aritcle that appeared yesterday,\nI spoke to him this afternoon, and I think he is much chastened.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nSimons\npage two\nand I think he realizes he made a mistake, but I went into great detail\nI also will have the answe r on the Aramco thing. I'll have it fully documented.\nK: Good, can you let me know by early next week.\nS: Oh, absolutely. I will have a full memo on that whole story.\nK: Give my warmest regards to your wife.\nS: Thanks a million.\nK: Thank you Bill.\nS: Okydaok.\nK: By,\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Dinitz/Secretary Kissinger\n11:44 a. m., February 15, 1974\nD:\nGood morning, Dr. Kissinger.\nK:\nI want to congratulate you, Mr. Ambassador.\nD:\nWhat have I done now?\nK:\nFor 24 hours there has been no single outrageous statement out of\nIsrael.\nD:\nYeah. If you think that was easy (laughter).\nK:\nI just want you to know that I appreciate the cooperation.\nD:\nNot only this but we were very angry at the Syrians and I prevented\nthem from doing anything rash.\nK:\nNow, you know, this guy's meeting for a summit.\nD:\nYeah.\nK:\nYou have to understand our sensitivity.\nD:\nYeah, I understand it. But I conveyed this to them because the Syrians\nwere really going out of their mind the last 24 hours -- shooting civilians.\nK:\nWhat I can't -- someday when you and I meet just as friends - -\nD:\nWe always meet as friends.\nK:\nNo, I mean -- but then it isn't an official conversation.\nD:\nRight.\nK:\nDon't get presumptuous, we doh't always meet as friends.\n(laughter)\nD:\n(laughter)\nI can't even claim friendship anymore.\nK:\nNo, I didn't mean it. Now, what really worries me and this has\nnothing to do with any policy -- is this total absorption in domestic\npolicy which your system imposes on you. Really in terms of the\nsurvival, I am sure that the Prime Minister doesn't wish it that way.\nD:\nNow it's mor e than ever. It is really a very peculiar period which\nwill end I hope when we have a new government.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nAmb. Dinitz/Secy Kissinger\n2\nK:\nBut what you need more than anything now is some wise leadership,\nwhich you in fact have -- not in your Foreign Ministry I don't believe.\nD:\nNo, I don't believe. But, Mr. Secretary, I can't agree with you more.\nYou can't imagine how it disturbs my work. My every day work. And\nthe Prime Minister suffers probably more than all of us.\nK:\nBut you know you're in mortal danger. You really are in mortal danger\nif you look at long-term trends.\nD:\nYeah.\nK:\nAnd your people cannot focus on it except in terms of day to day tactics.\nD:\nThat is correct. But,as I say, I highly believe that this is a temporary\nsituation because, as you know, it's from our point of view - - not mine\nK:\nNo, no, from your point of view. From our point of view, it's irritating.\nD:\nYeah.\nK:\nBut our survival won't get affected. It may hurt you here.\nD:\nYeah.\nK:\nBut it's from your point of view that I'm worried.\nD:\nI agree with you. And I had a long discussion on this with the Prime\nMinister. She said may want to come over and help me form the government\nand you'll see what I have to face. She's facing an impossible leaders'\nblock that is undermining the regotiation. Not for the conversions business;\nthis is nonsense. Because they insist on having a National Unity Cabinet.\nThey want to be [equal ? ] in the Cabinet. The Prime Minister realizes\nthat if this happens, then we immobilize totally any ability of our political\naction for the next four years, which is suicide. On the other hand, they\nwouldn't enter into the Cabinet without it. So right now we are facing\na choice of either having a 61 majority on\ncoalition or to go to\nnew elections. That is the situation.\nK:\nBut why don't you go to new elections?\nD:\nBecause the Prime Minister wants - because she believes that the party\ncan fair much better.\nK:\nBecause I think you probably got all the negative votes - you've got a lot\nof negative votes last time just as a protest to the war.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nAmb. Dinitz/Secy Kissinger\n3\nD:\nRight, right.\nK:\nThey've had their chance now.\nD:\nThat is their opinion. That's the voters opinion. But Dayan and Eban\nare reluctant to go to new elections. But we might have no choice. I\nmean, we might have no choice and we will do this. But this explains,\nMr. Secretary, the [sensitivity ?]. I want to tell you normally we are\nnot as bad as what appears now. Because this is really -- And on the other\nhand, their daily [coup] going to town, every day they are calling the\ngovernment into parliament for a vote of non-confidence which means\nthe government has to express\nThey are spreading rumors that\nwe are capitulating to the Americans and the Syrians on the prison- You\nknow, so this is the atmosphere in the country. They are talking about the\nissues which are laden with emotion. So it's very easy to rally people\naround in effect that you want the prisoners back. But I think the\nanswer the Prime Minister gave in Parliament, and even Eban had a\ngood answer yesterday in Parliament, explaining to them that nobody\ndisputes that we want the prisoners back. The question is how wisely\nto do it.\nK:\nExactly. Well, I think actually on the prisoner issue Eagleburger gave\nyou a briefing didn't he?\nD:\nYeah, yeah.\nK:\nI was at a meeting. We are going to hear from the Syrians but we don't\nknow what it is yet. All I know is that Boumediene told us that we would\nhear from the Syrians.\nD:\nOn the timed visit?\nK:\nWell, about the prisoners in detail. But I think I gave you my judgment\nthat the proposal you made will be accepted.\nD:\nYeah.\nK:\nAnd we have not yet had the absolutely final word.\nD:\nYeah.\nK:\nNow, but my strong opinion is that these two maniacal Arabs who are\ncoming here want to take me out to the Middle East with them.\nD:\nRight.\nK:\nBecause Boumediene has also written me that my appearance in the\nMiddle East would have a soothing effect on the population- on the situation.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nAmb. Dinitz/Secy Kissinger\n4\nD:\nMr. Secretary, I can't resist it that anyone would believe that your\nvisit has a soothing effect on anyone. (laughter)\nK:\nI treat Arabs differently from the way I treat Jews. I sooth Arabs.\nD:\n(laughter) No, I told Eagleburger my first naturally I pass it onto\nthe Prime Minister. She has the cable by now and she is reading it.\nAnd I hope you have a reaction (today). But I told Larry what my\nfirst reaction is, and I am usually right on this, as long as we can separate\nthe issues of the prisoners from your visit, I think we are preparing\na very good ground for your visit.\nK:\nWell, look, what I would like to do As long as you work out - I can\nhold out on the prisoners by saying that there's no sense my coming until\nI get the prisoners.\nD:\nRight.\nK:\nAnd I have that Latin American Foreign Ministers meeting, which in fact\nmakes it impossible for me to come.\nD:\nRight.\nK:\nBut just for term planning, it is hard in the face of the embargo -- if they\noffer to lift the embargo I mean, not to come then the week after this.\nD:\nYeah. You mean, after the Mexican thing?\nK:\nRight. So just in terms of your own planning.\nD:\nYeah. No, that I understand. And I have said this to Larry, that Well,\nI was hoping they would not from your point of view, they wouldn't tie\nyour visit to the embargo but of course whatever they will do that is\nbetween you and them. But we for us, just in case -- and also for you\nif I may, Mr. Secretary, no matter what explanations will be offered,\nif you go to the Middle East before the issue of the prisoner is resolved,\neveryone will interpret it that you are coming to put pressure on Israel\nin order to give up on the matter of the prisoners.\nK:\nUnless I can demonstrate that you didn't give up on the matter of the\nprisoners.\nD:\nThat's right. That it is so.\nK:\nWell, look, if your plan gets accepted\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nAmb. Dinitz/Secy Kissinger\n5\nD:\nRight. That means that we --\nK:\nLook, there's no chance of my coming unless your plan is accepted.\nD:\nRight, right.\nK:\nIn which case it is the opposite. In which case I got you your prisoners.\nD:\nRight, right.\nK:\nSo I won't come without at least your plan being accepted.\nD:\nRight. No, I understand this.\nK:\nBut that isn't the problem. The problem is this is in the context of your\nplan being accepted.\nD:\nYeah.\nK:\nAnd then I would like you to get ready on the substance. I will not - - I\nhave given you my word that I will not try to modify your plan. I've\nnever broken my word.\nD:\nRight. I have asked our people\nsecretly\nto\nget\non\nsubstance already a week ago when you told me that -\nK:\nThat's not the problem\nyou face with me.\nD:\nYeah. No, Lunderstand. No, but as I said to you, Mr. Secretary, after\nyou talked to me that evening about the Syrians consent, which is about\n99%, I've asked the Prime Minister that we begin to think on substance\namong ourselves first, you know. So that we be ready. And I think\nsomething is being done on it.\nK:\nThat's what I would strongly urge.\nD:\nYeah, I will emphasize it again.\nK:\nThat's your major problem. And don't spend time fighting me on the\nprisoner issue because I believe we will settle that in the sense that you\ngave.\nD:\nYeah.\nK:\nAnd if we don't, that is not the issue between -- there is no issue\nbetween Israel and the United States.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nAmb. Dinitz/Secy Kissinger\n6\nD:\nI don't fight you at all.\nK:\nNo, no; don't get your Cabinet into the mood --\nD:\nI\nK:\nNo, you won't. But tell your Cabinet not to get itself into the mood\nthat if I come out there, it will concern the prisoners.\nD:\nNo, of course not.\nK:\nIf I come out there, it will concern Syrian-Israeli disengagement.\nD:\nThat is precisely so. And that would even please the Prime Minister\nmore. Because, as you know, She didn't want to tie the two scenarios.\nbecause She thought that it is not good to do it. So, if, as I said, if our\nplan is accepted - let's put it this way, you have in your hand the list\nof prisoners they promised for the visit which will start being executed\nbefore there is any dealings with the Syrians, either by us or by you,\nthat could automatically. And then we can publicize it so the papers\nwould not attack or would not connect your visit with the prisoners\nbecause that will be a solved issue as far as the scenario is concerned.\nK:\nI can give you this assurance, if there are negotiations on the Israeli-\nSyrian disengagement, I can't work out the tactics now because I don't\nknow what their proposition is --\nD:\nYeah.\nK:\nIt will be clearly demonstrated that your essential conditions for\nprisoners were fulfilled.\nD:\nYeah, yeah.\nK:\nNow, if I go out, we have to modify the scenario in terms of the fact\nthat I'm out there rather than here. I mean, I can't insist you know,\nwe have to work out how to stage the fact that the negotiations will not\nstart until [visit] starts.\nD:\nYeah.\nK:\nBut let's not spend time on that rights Mr. Ambassador, because\nI assure you that is not the issue.\nD:\nYeah.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nAmb. Dinitz/Secy Kissinger\n7\nK:\nWhat you have to get ready for is the substance.\nD:\nYeah.\nK:\nAnd I don't want to go out there until you've done more work on substance.\nD:\nYeah. Yeah, I understand what you're saying.\nK:\nOkay. So I'll keep you informed.\nD:\nFine, I appreciate it.\nK:\nThank you.\nD:\nAnd I would appreciate it, Mr. Secretary, if any new developments\ncome --\nK:\nI will keep you informed, Mr. Ambassador. Our relations are bad\nonly when we have a margin for survival.\nD:\n(laughter)\nK:\nUnder pressure we usually manage to get together.\nD:\nThat's right. The too quiet days which annoyed me to no end.\nK:\nUngratefully. (laughter)\nD:\nAnd you don't even want to say that you will come to a private dinner\nthat I'm holding.\nK:\nI don't No, no; invite somebody -- keep it in honor of somebody else\nD:\nNot anyone it's some friends of yours and mine together. And some\nSenators that I think would be good that, you know, -- I'm for instance\ntrying to get Jackson and this atmosphere I think would be much\nK:\nIf it isn't in my honor the only point is, I have not I have rejected\na hundred invitations.\nD:\nOf course, of course. It would not be in your honor at all. It would be\na private dinner at the house. And there would be most of the people\nthat you meet when you go some\nanyone of your other friends. And\nit is nothing to do with = Barbara Walters, for instance, is anxious to\nsee you. And that is as good occasion as any.\nK:\nOkay. Do you mind though if I have one social engagement next week\nthat I don't clear with you?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nAmb. Dinitz/Secy Kissinger\n8\nD:\n(laughter)\nIf you insist, I don't know what good it does to you if\nI hear it from other people.\nK:\nOkay.\nD:\n(laughter) That is fine, Mr. Secretary.\nK:\nI will talk a lot this week. And as soon as I've talked to the Arabs,\nI'll call you.\nD:\nOkay.\nK:\nBye.\nD:\nBye, bye.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon\nPaul Ziffren/Kissinger\n2/15/74 - 12:58 p.m.\nK:\nHello.\nZ:\nHenry.\nK:\nYes, Paul, how are you?\nZ:\nWell, I'm fine, but how are you?\nK:\nI'm good.\nZ:\nAre you holding up?\nK:\nOh, yeah, I'm managing.\nZ:\nWhen are you going to take that vacation?\nK:\nWell, the Arabs are kicking up. again so God knows if I ever get a\nvacation.\nZ:\nWell, God better see that you do get a vacation. Henry, I just wanted\nto report to you that we are moving along on this thing. There was a\nmeeting in New York Tuesday with a number of people, and one of the\nstories that they got was the fact that at one meeting Jackson drew it\nup and said that he doesn't think that that group represented the\nJewish community and if they wanted to take that position he was going\nto go over their head in that kind of business, so that what they decided\nto do is to try to work as quietly as possible on the people who are close\nto him in a way that does not make it look as good\ntrying to at least open his mind before he has a meeting with you which\nhe still insists has got to be initiated by your calling him. But I don't\nthink there's any sense in calling him until we get him in a proper frame\nof mind.\nK:\nI'll call him fairly soon.\nZ:\nNow, we've been doing some work with some other people. I was at a\nlunch yesterday with Fritz Mondale and I think we got Mondale pretty\nwell turned around.\nK:\nOh good, that's important.\nZ:\nWell, as a matter of fact, by the time I got through the conversation with him\nafterwards, He said, you know, I think Jackson is just using this for\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-2-\nPresidential campaign purposes. You know, he turned around completely\non it.\nK:\nTerrific.\nZ:\nNow the only trouble is that we don't want Jackson to think that this is\ngoing to be a part of the Presidential campaign against him, and SO I\nwould just as soon have Mondale not say anything to Jackson for the\ntime being. I've been in touch with Sol Lenowitz and Sol is working\non the thing and tomorrow we're supposed to get that speech from\nFullman.\nK:\nO.K.\nZ:\nAnd we're going to try to get that thing circulated. So I wanted you to\nknow that we're moving along on it. Sol is going to be in touch with (Cy ?)\nSimon and we're going to see if we can't create a climate that will\nmake your talk with Jackson more productive.\nK:\nPaul, you're a good friend.\nZ:\nWell, I feel very strongly that not only is it a matter of\n, we've\ngot to have some help, but also this is something that's got to be\nworked out, and anything that I can do you can depend upon me doing it.\nWe really did as much day work as I think we could do within this time limit.\nI talked to Cy yester and got him pushing and we'll just keep on pushing.\nK:\nGood. Wonderful. And let's stay in touch.\nZ:\nAlright. I thought that the Energy Conference really came out better\nthan we had a right to expect.\nK:\nWell, it came out very well, and the newspapers WXXX giving the\nimpression that it wasn't succeeding actually helped that.\nZ:\nYeah. The report that I got was that Kissinger had worked his\nmagic again. Keep on working your magic, but most important of all,\nplease, take care of yourself, Henry.\nK:\nThank you.\nZ:\nGood to talk to you.\nK:\nBye.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGeneral Scowcroft/Secretary Kissinger\nFebruary 15, 1974\n2:$% pm\nK: Have you talked to Haig?\nS: Yes. I talked to him.\nK: He told me to drop dead.\nS: He said \"oh God\"\nI said just relax. He is just droping by to\ndebrief on the energy conference and talk about the Mexican conference\nand about the Middle East developments and I said I understand\nMcClellan will be there too. I said you would be there about 9 or 10:00.\nK: And you told him above all, I am not going to mention the Foreign\nMinisters. I think now it is fifty-fifty how this thing will go. I think\nit could turn out that Yamani is right.\nS: Why would they come here.\nK: Because they are ambarrassed. They may come he re and say if I go\nto the Middle East they will help me settle it.\nS: That is possible. I thought they may say we are going to lift\nthe embargo but this is what we need to do it. Even being ambarrassed\nand negative will make it look worse for them.\nK: OK.\nS: Al is all primed.\nK: OK, I'll see you over the weekend.\nS: Try to get a little rest.\nK: OK.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSenator Secretary Kissinger\nFebruary 15, 1974\n3:00 pm\nK: I want to tell you with what enormous regret that I learned the\nnews that you are not going to stand for reelection.\nA: Well, they say the time go to is when they are asking you to stay.\nK: I think that is right and from that point of view it is the right\ndecision. From the point of view of the country and my personal\npoint of view I regret it.\nA: Well, we have had these things before and we live through it and I'll\ngo home and do some of the things I have wanted to do for the past\nthirty years.\nK: Wisdom is not in excessive supply in this town now.\nA: That is an understatement. It is god-awful. We have almost\neleven months to function.\nK: I want you to know I think of you with affection and will be in\nclose touch.\nA: Thank you.\nK: Give my best to your wife.\nA: Thanks a lot.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Dinitz - Secretary Kissinger\nFrebruary 15, 1974\n3:00 p.m.\nK: Can't there be a day when you people don't have to say\nsomething?\nD: What did they say now?\nK: Eban said he did not believe Sadat wanted peace.\nD: Where di he say this.\nK: In Tel Aviv, he said \"I do not accept the definition that\nSadat wants peace\n11 and if any of your colleagues want\nto take this on with its far reaching implications\nD: Whom was he arguing with?\nK: I don't care with shom, does he have to antagonize them\nD: I don't know what to say to you because, as\nK: Has Eban told you about the Saudis\nD: I know.\nK: If this report is correct, and I hope it isn't, and this version\nof events reaches the President, you are going to have one hell\nof a time.\nD: All right, I will try to find out what Eban was saying.\nK: I don't want to make an official protest, but I don't want\nyou to think your government is going to\nD: I'm sure it was taken out of context or something, but really,\nI will find out.\nK: Why is it SO hard\nthis is not official now\ncan't your\ncabinet members shut up for awhile.\nD: Maybe he's preparing himself for other things. I can't explain\nwhy my colleagues are doing this, but every Friday in Israel\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPage two\nthey have open sessions, everybody is going on radio and television.\nK: I don't want to debate it with you. This morning I had indicated\nto you, remember, I indicated to you I thought you had gone\nsoft because 24 hours had gone by without some tactless statement\nWhy don't you recommend.\nD: I will do this tomorrow.\nK: Take one more crack at Sadat\nD: The New York Times printed the same thing,\nthat means\ntomorrow we will\neverybody has to prove to everybody else\nthese days.\nK: I am going to Little Rock and Key Biscayne. I will give your\nbest regards to\nD: Senator Fulbright will need your regards and help. Why are\nyou going to Little Rock?\nK: To brief him.\nD: Yesterday I appeared on Martin Agronsky with O'Leary\nwho was very funny and is a good friend.\nK: O'Leary isn't badl\nD: They asked why do you thin the Arabs are coming to Washington\nand I said I don't know I didn't know I hadn't had a chance to study\nit, I ha d just found out on the way over.\nK: Why didn't you saw there were only 8 Jews and it takes 10 to make\na semitic service.\nD: They said why are they sopping in Paris and I said for refueling.\nK: They told us they will not see the French.\nD: O'Leary said they were probably going to Paris to congratulate\nthe French for representing them so well in Washington at the last\nconference. On this other thing I will call, but its every Friday\nnight, I don't know why but they have to say something.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\npage three\nK: Yes, but what about Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday\nD: Thursday they didn't say anything.\nK: Let's see Thursday, not your're right.\nD: Will say XXXX tonights cable, please until\nK: Until we get these Arabs. They are going to see the President, just\nfor your own self-preservation.\nD: Are they going to see the President? When I talked to Eagleburger\nhe said don't exclude the fact Sadat is sending messages of doom and des-\nt ruction so that wehn the two emissaries get here it will look like a\ncompromise.\nK: I don't believe that one message because we got a different one\nfrom Boumediemne.\nD: I think I have got good news for you, not on the oil thing, but\nnext week Mr. Secretary I will recommend to you that you\nmeet with Jackson.\nK: Oh, good.\nD: I think there's a movement that will make him more seriously\nconsider talking to you.\nK: I will be ready.\nD: But wait until I tell you next week so I will know exactly what\nhe things at that ti me. I think he will be ready for a sensible\ncompromise. I wasn't going to tell you but since you are beginning\nto think again that I am obnoxious\nK: No, no\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nGen. Haig/Sec. Kissinger\nFriday, Feb. 15, 1974\n3:05 p.m.\nK: Two things. One, we have had another word now which makes it look\ndubious what these two characters are coming here for. One word from\nYahmani, whom I consider the Sonnenfeldt of Saudi Arabia, indicates the\nword is no. Perhaps no one told him and he is trying to show off.\nMy view is unless there is a clearcut unambiguous cutoff the President\nmust not see them.\nH: I agree. That is bad news. Sorry to hear that. What did he say?\nK: They are adding more conditions. The Syrians are saying this is\nthe only weapon they have left and they have to use it and that, of course,\nis not what we can accept. Then the Palestinians will want to use it.\nH: That is right.\nK: I will be down tonight.\nH: Good, Henry. I am worried you are not getting any time at all to rest.\nK: No. They obviously want me to go to the Middle East again and I\nam getting sort of fed up. I had hoped to have two days of rest.\nH: You are going to have to do it.\nK: You know I am stopping in Little Rock. I know your instincts are\nagainst it.\nH: Only because you are losing time. It is up to you.\nK: In terms of buttering up this guy it is worth it. I have McClellan\ncoming to the airport. I think it is money in the bank.\nH: Just a drag on you. I am just worred about your not getting any rest.\nK: Yes. We have to do it.\nH: Don't worry about the other. If we have it we have it, if we ain't, we ain't.\nK: If not, we have to be tough. When is the President coming back?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2.\nHaig\nFeb. 15, 3:05\nH: He is coming back via Huntsville.\nK: Late in the afternoon on Monday.\nH: Right. All right, Henry.\nK: He could see them late Monday.\nH: Right.\nK: I don't want them to go to Key Biscayne to tell you the truth.\nH: I don't either. It is better not to.\nK: See you later.\nH: Right.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Sonnenfeldt/Secretary Kissinger\nFebruary 15, 1974\n3:25 pm\nK: I noticed the cable has not yet gone that I wanted on the\npreparatory group. You guys are going to do what I want.\nS: Mr. Secretary, I cleared that cable I don't know how long ago.\nI didn't believe you needed to clear off on it, but I don't know where\nit has gone.\nK: Now I am leaving town and it can't go until I get back. I don't\nknow where it stands.\nS: If you want to know, I told Springsteen you didn't have to see it\nagain.\nThe Secretary then terminated the conversation.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Dinitz - Secretary Kissinger\nFebruary 15, 1974\n3:32 p.m.\nD: I just talked to the Prime Minister since she read the cables\nI sent and she asked me to tell you with regard to the scenario\non the basis of the most recent cables, the new one, from the Saudis,\nshe doesn't feel we should conclude the scenario, between us, but wait\nand see\nK: I agree. Let's not do that now\nD: And she wanted to assure you that she and the Minister of\nDefense and others are working on substance and there should\nbe no worry for you even when you decide to come. She wanted\nto remind you again that the issue of the prisoners should be\nsettled.\nK: I told you I don't want to hear that again.\nD: I'm just reporting Mr. Secretary. She was in a very good\nmood and she asked me to thank you for participating and that\nshe appreciates your confidence. She wanted to assure you\npersonally that she and her ministers will be mum for the next\n36 or even 72 hours.\nK: At least as long as the Arabs are here.\nyou\nD: It might cause NX /some pleasure, but it will give her alot of\npleasure and then maybe you can keep them there for a few weeks\nSO that they would be silenced for a few weeks.\nK: Give her my warm regards.\nD: I will. I told her you were going to Little Rock, Arkansas.\nShe hopes you are going with guards.\nK: Tell her this is my insurance policy in case he wins.\nD: He has no chance.\nK: Oh, really. Are there two candidates now?\nD: Bump (?) is running. I heard the public opinion polls\nsay there is less than a 30% in Arkansas who support Fulbright.\nO'Leary told me he heard Fulbright is in real trouble.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPage two\nK: Hmmm. OK, I've got to run.\nD: Yes, I know. Have a nice trip.\nK: Oh, you want\nno you don't want to hear\nI was going to\ngive you another quote from Eban.\nD: Oh, incidentally, that was an interview in the paper. Eban\nwas taking a crack at Eban. Dayan said he thought there was a\nchance for peace and Eban said anybody who wants peace ought\nto have his head examined.\nK: That's a hpapy group you've got.\nD: Yes. All the best, Henry.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified."
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