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National security classified information.\nfinancial information.\nC. Pending or approved claim that release would violate an individual's\nF. Release would disclose investigatory information compiled for law\nrights.\nenforcement purposes.\nD. Release would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of privacy\nG. Withdrawn and return private and personal material.\nor a libel of a living person.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential and returned non-historical material.\nDECI ASSIFIED\n^ document persuant to Executive Orders 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nThe President\nSecretary Kissinger\n9:40 a. m. March 11, 1974\nN:\nHi, Henry.\nK:\nMr. President, I just wanted to bring you briefly up to date where\nwe stand, on that oil embargo, because there have been so many\nstories around; most newspapers say this means the end of it. This\nis not true. We have now heard not only from the Egyptians, but also\nfrom the Algerians. I have had a message from Boumedienne which\nsays he will definitely support lifting the embargo. And with that in\nthe fold, I think it is going to work.\nN:\nYeh, I understand. Well the newspaper stories, they don't know what\nthe hell is going on.\nK:\nThey don't know what is going on, but on television and so forth,\nthey keep saying this is an indefinite postponement. For once now\nI believe it is going to work.\nN:\nYeh. What is the date set for\nK:\nWednesday - in Tripoli, Mr. President\nN:\nWhat does that mean indefinite. Why would they interpret it to mean\nindefinite\nK\nWell they figure there will be another delay or no agreement.\nthey\nN:\nThat is the way/were going to have it too. But anyway what we can\nsay about it are the results, but\nK:\nAt any rate, I thought you might like to--\nN:\nHaving heard from both the Egyptians and Algerians -- but at least the\nEgyptians said they were going to have the meeting for that purpose\ndidn't they?\nK:\nThat's right, but for this purpose, Mr. President the Algerians are\nworth more to us than the Egyptians because the Algerian oil minister\nis the head of that group, and secondly, the Algerians are known to\nbe close th the Syrians and thirdly, they are radicals.\nN:\nOf course.\nAnd they have indicated they are going to move to support it,\nare they ?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPage 2\nK:\nThat is right. We got a message this morning. That is what I thought\nyou might like to know.\nN:\nThat they would support the lifting ?\nK:\nThat is right.\nN:\nThe Algerian Foreign Minister, Hm huh. Well we will wait until\ntomorrow. Okay. Nothing else to do.\nK:\nNo. There has been a report that Tito has died, but it is unconfirmed.\nN:\nHm huh. That will start a little action, won't it ?\nK:\nThat might well start a civil war there\nN:\nThink so ?\nK:\nCould happen, yes.\nN:\nYeh. The only thing is they have to hav e arms. Well I guess\nK:\nWell, they've got arms between themselves.\nN:\nThey just divid them all up huh ?\nK:\nYeh.\nN:\nArmy, Navy, Air Force. Well anyway\nK:\nBe mostly Slovaks against the Serbs\nN:\nRight. Right Well we will keep our fingers crossed -the embargo- I\nthink maybe it is going to come off this time.\nK\nThis is the closest we have come to anyway--\nN:\nWe have information that maybe the tv people don't have for once, okay ?\nK:\nRight, Mr. President. I'm impounding all these cables.\nN\nSure, sure. Good idea, good idea.\nK:\nGood.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nGen. Scowcroft/Sec. Kissinger\nMarch 11, 1974, 11:45 a. m.\nK:\nthe only reason I had to cancell the Armed ServicesCommittee\nwas that I did not want to testify twice in one day. I explain that and the\nend result is that I testify not at all. They are trying to put the Armed\nServices Committee back on and the result is that there will not be a\ndecent attendance.\nS: I don't think they should put it back on.\nK: Why not?\nS: For that reason.\nK: I am telling that and how does it make the State Department with me look.\nS: I really try to get in on it.\nK: You have enough to do as it is.\nS: 90 percent of the management. I will get with Larry and figure out\na way I can review it.\nK: I may beco mbine these two operations. It is just not working right\nnow.\nS: It is not working well.\nK: It is not working at all. I have 200 wives (Congressional) and they\nwere put in an auditorium for 1200. We have plenty of auditoriums for\n200 in this building. It is one self-seeking operation after another.\nS: That was obviously a disaster.\nK: I don't know what I said. I know I slammed the Europeans. That is\nthe last thing that we need. That they get slammed and by me.\nS: Is there anyway to recover it?\nK: How can you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2.\nGen. Scowcroft\nS: I don't know. It is awfully hard I agree. Vest and no one else told you.\nK: Do you think I would have agreed to having the press there.\nS: Of course you would not. It never entered my mind.\nK: Never, as long as I have spoken have I had press present.\nS: I know. You just don't do it that way and should not. It becomes\nworthless that way.\nK: O.K. fine.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nPresident Nixon/Secretary Kissinger\nMarch 11, 1974\n5:50 PM\nN: Hello.\nK: Mr. President.\nN: Hello, Henry. I didn't have anything, I was just checking in to see if\nthere's anything new.\nK: No, there isn't anything new and we've in general, we had some more\nconfirming reports about the oil meeting and that seems to be in pretty good\nS hape. And as you know, Mr. President, we had approached the Saudis on\nbilateralism and their response has been so enthusiastic, in fact so wildly\nenthusiastic that I can't help but believe this must effect their decision at\nthe embargo.\nN: Yes. Well, that's the way we want to deal.\nK: Absolutely.\nN: Because that's the only way we can make our - that will probably effect\nthem to they'd be willing to take some risks. What do we do. What will\nthey get out of it they wouldn't get otherwise. More price, you mean?\nK: What they're getting out of it is a military relationship and a long-term\neconomic relationship.\nN: Yes, that, of course.\nK: And the commitment of the U.S. strategically to them against their\nenemies in Iraq and South Yemen and so forth.\nN: Any internally as well.\nK: That's right. That response has really been amazing.\nN: The response - yes.\nK: Yes.\nN: Fine. You just met with the Chiefs on SALT I suppose.\nK: I met with the Chiefs for 2 hours on SALT and detante in general, and that\nwas a very good meeting.\nN: Good. You get the Admiral alright?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nNixon - page 2\nK: Oh yes. No, he's fine. They're basically dedicated men.\nN: Sure.\nK: Any I'm now meeting with a group of Jewish leaders on MFM.\nN: Yes. Good luck. I won't hold you. I'll see you tomorrow.\nK: Right, Mr. President.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSecretary Kissinger\nLarry Eagleburger\n3/12/74\n9:17 a. m.\nK:\nI ran into Ben Bradlee yesterday evening and he tells me somebody\nfrom my office called about the lunch at the Washington Post and said\nhow do you spell Kathryn Graham, who is Meg Greenfield, what is\nMurrey Marder doing at that luncheon, who is he; and Bradlee said,\nhell, told that girl he knows all these people better than we do.\nNow who would have done that?\nE:\nI don't know, probably George's office, but let me check. Jane Roth\nknows them all, she wouldn't have done it.\nEither Vest's office or it is Campbell's secretary\nK:\nDon't you think that is insane.\nE:\nOf course, it is insane. I swear to God.\nK:\nNow I find Harold Brown is on my schedule over here at 9:15 -- no one\never checked that with me.\nE:\nSir, we got that word late last night that it was set up over in the WH\n--we had gone home, no one here knows anything about it.\nK:\nAll I said to ah\nwhat's his name\nE:\nBurke?\nK:\nTo Brent--that I would be glad to see him for 5 minutes at some point\nE:\nWe got that word after you had gone out to drinks none of us knew a\nthing about it and we assumed you had set it up over at the WH\nK:\nNever discussed it -how is the European press playing?\nE:\nWe have three reports--four reports; the thoughest one is the British\n--3 or 4 quality dailies carried stories according to this-London Times\ncarries it on page 4 caption Kissinger says the biggest US problem is\ndealing with its allies\", etc\nreads from story. Guardian\ncarries a story, \"Kissinger Inveighs against European Self-Assertiveness\"\nreads etc\nAnd Financial Times carries a shorter article by Paul\nLewis, reads etc\nRome nothing bad at all, the Netherlands nothing\nbad at all, Germany ah--\nK\nThe Germans will pick it up from the British\nE:\nDPA dispatched thus far - they have only one story and it is strictly factual.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPage 2\nE:\nReads from DPA\nthat one is not a bad story\nK:\nNo the point is even a good story is a bad story\nE:\nNo no, I understand. The ones by the British press are the most\ndifficult ones\nK:\nAnd they are the ones that will hurt us more and more because\nthat is where the other Europeans will take the lead from.\nE:\nThey are the only ones we have so far.\nK:\nWell, between that , the Washington Post and a few other things\nwe are in great shape. Has anything - well it doesn't make any\ndifference -our retraction of that other story--\nE:\nOne of the DPA things--there is and so did the British, so they got it.\nThey don't carry it in total, but refer to it.\nK:\nBut that isn't the issue the issue is that the meeting I should never\nhave held by a sort of viscious, incompetence has been turned into\na disaster.\nOkay fine.\nE:\nAll right sir\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMarch 12, 1974/11:35 a. m.\nSecretary Morton/HAK\nM:\nI've gotten a call from Annenberg and Annenberg said he wanted to\nstay on until June the 30th and all that, which Huston has no problem with\nbut Thruston(?) but has got coming over to the Derby which he runs as a\nhead of the American purse, Princess Margaret and that'll be early in May.\nHe feels with Annenberg knowing this and everybody knowing this, that the\ninformation is going to get out and he suggests that for everybody's sake\nmaybe some announcement be made fairly soon so that the worry about a\nleak is not so evident and that we -- he begins to sort of get his house in\norder as far as getting\nK:\nThat's fine. What we would like to do though is wait a few weeks\nbecause Len Firestone wanted that job and we've got to get him announced\nfor something else.\nM:\nI don't think he knew that.\nK:\nBecause if he and we put him off with the argument that the job\nwasn't available.\nM:\nWell, the only thing you've got. You've got a problem that when\nThurston is going to be with the Princess and all that.\nK:\nBut that isn't until May.\nM:\nThat's right. So I guess we've got the rest of March and a piece of\nApril.\nmother words, in 4 or 5 weeks.\nK:\nThat's right.\nK:\nLet me tell him that.\nK:\nGood. Fine\nK:\nOK.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nFM Rabasa/Secretary Kissinger\nMarch 12, 1974\n2:25 pm\nK: Emilio, how are you?\nR: Henry, just to check, are you coming next Saturday ?\nK: No, I'll probably have to put it off again.\nR: Is that definite, or do you want to think it over?\nK: Can I call this afternoon?\nR: Please do, Henry. You have all my phone numbers.\nK: If I put it off it will be -- I'll have to put it off til the 30th.\nR: Whatever time, just as long as you tell me 24 hours before, I\ncan arrange things.\nK: Good, Is it too hot X on the 30th? Does it get too hot there'\nZ\nR: No, no. It is a wonderful climate all year round. I suggest you give\nme a xXX call in the afternoon and tell me if you can make it on Saturday.\nWe would love to have you here, if not, you call me and tell me when you\nwant it and I'll arrange things again.\nK: Wonderful.\nR: Good, Henry and thank you for calling.\nK: Thank you Emilio.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Atherton/Sec. Kissinger\nMarch 12, 1974\n2:45 pm\nK: What is that. the Navy is thinking of a Port call in Alexandria.\nA: I saw that message and I asked to get a hold of the Navy message\nthat raised it.\nK: Look, it is totally, absolutely out of the question.\nA: I agree, and we are drafting something that would say that.\nK: Ok.\nA: I agree with that and we'll send it up for your clearance.\nK: Good.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. James Wilson/Secretary Kissinger\nMarch 12, 1974\n2:46 pm\nW: Hello Henry, thank you very much for calling back. I am in\nWashington on one of my regular trips advising wayvarious\nparts of the Government on narcotics law enforcement and I wanted\nto simply check in with you to register a couple of impressions\nI have -- for what they are worth. Which you are probably already aware\nof. One is the extremely complex government attitude toward the growing\nTurkish problem and t; make sure that you felt comfortable that you\nhad all the information you needed in deal ing with what I think is going\nto be a significant foriegn policy question over the short-term.\nHow we respond to Turkish interest in going back to narcotics\ncultivation and what this implies by relation there and elsewhere and\nsince I knew that the State Department had recently been stripped of\n(for good reason) most of their narcotics specialists because they\nweren't doing a damn thing -- I thought I would let you know of my\ninterest and if I can be of any help in identifying people in the government\nwho could assist you or if I can be of assistance myself.\nK: Well, could you write down for me what you have in mind.\nW: Certainly.\nK: Because I frankly don't know enough even to know if I am getting\nenough advice.\nW: Alright. Do you have a known time horizon by which time you have\nto think through some of these problems.\nK: Next week is time enough.\nW: Alright, let me get something to you over my signature to make\nsure it gets to your desk. The problem is, to put it in a nutshell,\nis the Turks are determined to go back into poppy/opium production.\nK: That I know.\nW: The one thing the Communists and the right wing and farmers can\nagree on and the United States position is in disarray to a degree because\nsome agencies want to denounce the Turks; others want to accommodate\nthem and still others want to find the middle approach and I think\nprogramming a posture towards the Turkish Ambassador and doing\nthings will find a **ku solution rather than leading to a confrontation\nare very important. And there is also an intense amount of lobbying\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nWilson cont.\n-2-\nW: going on in the Government now from domestic pharmaceutical\nmanufactureers about this. I believe this is one of those matters\nfor which there is a solution but I suspect that though you are\nvery full these days with other matters on the foreign policy side,\nat least - --where there could be a solution you may have to be involved\npersonally to some degree.\nK: Well if you could indicate to me what you think the solution is it\nwould help.\nW: Alright, fine. Very good, if you could use such a note I will get\none to you.\nK: Very much.\nW: Fine, how are things generally with you.\nK: A little hectic.\nW: Well, keep it up, you are doing a great job.\nK: You're nice.\nW: Stay with it. Bye.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmb. Ramsbotham/Sec. Kissinger\nMarch 12, 1974\n2:47 pm\nK: Hello.\nR: Peter Ramsbotham here.\nK: Howare you?\nR: Thank you very much for ringing back. After the dinner last night\nand our talk, I sent a signal to our Foreign Ministry and I have had\na reply this morning. He isvery anxious to see you and as soon as\npossible and very much welcomes the idea of the 28th of March.\nK: Good, wonderful.\nR: And he would like to offer you lunch there that day.\nK: Fine.\nR: And he suggests that talks could begin at 11:00 in the morning\nand continue after lunch if necessary.\nK: Fine.\nR: I said that you had up to 6:00 to\nK: Well, that will be flexible.\nR: He agrees and he would like me to come back for that visit and\nmay I at the same time accept with pleasure your offer of coming\nback on your plane.\nK: Fine, marvelous. You know this is dependent on my setting up\nMoscow on the 25th.\nR: I see.\nK: But in all probability that is hos it is going to work out.\nR: I see, I didn't know how certain that was.\nK: Well, it is 95% firm. -and I will know that within 48 hours.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nRamsbotham cont.\n-2-\nR: Within 48 hours. Anyhow, our side of the program -- we are looking\nforward to it.\nK: And you know I may flip again as to whether we can start at 11 or 12:00.\nR: That's alright. I think there is actually Cabinet that morning,\non Thursday morning SO he 'll be making special provision for that.\nK: GOod wonderful.\nR: And he would like to also receive Sonnenfeldt and Hartman and that's\nall arranged. We are talking to them personally on that so I needn't\nbother you with it. All the arrangements are made and the senior Ministers\nwill be there. I think they want to talk about Anglo-American relations\nand relations with Europe and discuss the Middle East and possible\na follow-up to the Washington Energy Conference. This is on the 14th and 15th.\nK: Fine, well, they'll be prepared.\nR: And may I in conclusion thank you very much for the mark of\ncourtesy that you accored me last night. I very much appreciated it.\nK: Not at all. We attach great importance to our relationship and\nI know you and I will work very intimately.\nR: That is very nice again, Goodbye.\nK: Goodbye.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAdmiral Zumwalt/Sec. Kissinger\nMarch 12, 1974\n2:49 pm\nZ: Henry, I just wanted to give you my compliments on a magnificant\njob yesterday.\nK: Aren't you nice.\nZ: The post-mortem was so favorable your head would turn.\nK: Aren't you nice, well it meant alot to me too.\nZ: I think it is just the kind of shot in the arm we need over here\nfrom time to time.\nK: Well, I think we should do it periodically.\nZ: Good Henry, count on me.\nK: Thank you, I appreciate this call.\nZ: Certainly.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmb. Zahedi/Sec. Kissinger\nMarch 12, 1974\n2:50 pm\nK: Hello,\nZ: Mr. Secretary, forgive me that I bother you so much.\nK: No, you can't bother me.\nZ: Thank you sir. I have a letter from the Shah. He would be most\nhappy and glad to see you and he would prefer if you can make it because\nhe would like to enjoy the time with you in the Persian Gulf area if\nyou can make it on the 27th. But of course he would understand if\nyou won't be able to make it on the 20th of APril would be perfectly\nalright, but unfortunately he would be in Tehran and he insisted that\nif I could actually talk you into -- going on the 27th of March or the 28th.\nAny time in that period when he would be on the Island. So you can\nhave a little rest.\nK: Well, you are terribly nice and I will try to work it out but\nit doesn't look too promising.\nZ: Also, one thing I would like to know just in case that you are going to\nthe Islands. The people who would be with you are over 100 or\nthey would be under 100.\nK: They'll be less than a hundred.\nZ: So there is no problem. So when do you think you woul d know whether\nyou would go to the Islands.\nK: By early next week.\nZ: So you do n't mind if I call you when I come back from Brazil.\nK: It is always a pleasure to hear from you. Besides you know where I am\na t all's times, you have got your intelligence service following me.\nZ: (laughter) Alright, then I will pass this message to him. I'm leaving\nin one hour's time and when I come back I will be in touch with you to see if\nyou can make it.\nK: Good, give him my warm regards.\nZ: I will do that.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nIrving Lazar/Sec. Kissinger\nMarch 12, 1974, 4:00 p.m.\nL: I compose congratulatory letters to you once a week and then I read\nmy letters in the New York Times, you see, as an editorial to you.\nK: When did that happen?\nL: I think once a week. The Times, NY Times, Newsweek, Wash. Post.\nYou are doing terrific. It is tough for me to write a better valentine.\nK: Where are you?\nL: In California but I am coming to Washington next week on the 20th\nand 21st.\nK: O.K. Let's try to get together.\ntake you\nL: I would love to see you -- either have lunch or talk to dinner. I\nwould like to invite anybody else you would like to see -- the night of\nthe 20th or 21st, or if you are pressed I could come to the office.\nK: Let's defer the question of dinner. I don't know my schedule.\nL: of course. I will call you. In any event I would like to see you if\nwe cannot make dinner. I will call you on the 19th from New York. Shall\nI ask for a specific secretary.\nK: Ask for Bonnie Andrews.\nL: I will ask for her in case you are busy. She will know if you are\navailable.\nK: Fine.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMcCloskey/Sec. Kissinger\nMarch 12, 1974, 4:05 p.m.\nK: You know that Ted Koppel is doing -- they are doing a documentary and he\nwanted to come in for five minutes to fill me in at 4:30 on the embargo,\nwith my veto It will be used in June. Do you think I should do it ?\nM: Sure. I see no problem with it. There is a lock on that. They\ncannot use it.\nK: I. O.K. I want you to get hold of this press area and shape it\nup. I cannot have another mistake like that. In fact Il will throw\nthem all out at the next mistake.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSonnenfeldt/Sec. Kissinger\nMarch 12, 1974, 4:08 p.m.\nK:\nto get what we want in this declaration -- what we think is\nessential could be achieved only at either the risk of another confrontation\nor at the cost of such clarity that it would be misleading and secondly,\nwe say nothing about his not coming to Europe.\nS: Damn it that must have gotten lost in the retyping because we did say\nsomething about his not coming to Europe.\nK: We say nothing.\nS: I will have to look at it because that was in the original telegram\nand we retyped the telegram and it must have been dropped out of it.\nIt said -- what ever the phrase was - -that V under the circumstances\nI don't think I can accept your invitation. It is not appropriate to\nconsider it. You want to say again what we would want or what we\nthink would be essential in this view would either lead to further\nfacilitating argument or what\nK: Or else we would be forced to obscure the real problem by some\nmeaningless formula.\nS: Let me get it back.\nK: Good. Thank you.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nNIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY\nDOCUMENT CONTROL RECORD\nITEM REMOVED FROM THIS FOLDER\nMANDATORY REVIEW REQUEST NLN 09-16 [ID: 12525]\n(1 p.)\nEXEMPTED per 3.3(b)(1)(6)(9) Itr. 11/20/2012\nA RESTRICTED DOCUMENT OR CASE FILE HAS BEEN REMOVED\nFROM THIS FILE FOLDER. FOR A DESCRIPTION OF THE ITEM\nREMOVED AND THE REASON FOR ITS REMOVAL, CONSULT\nDOCUMENT ENTRY NUMBER\n1\nON THE DOCUMENT\nWITHDRAWAL RECORD (NA FORM 14021) LOCATED IN THE FRONT\nOF THIS FILE FOLDER.\nCB Imith\n3/10/2015\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION\nNLRN Form 101 (revised 5/09)\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Atherton/Secretary Kissinger\nMarch 12, 1974\n5:50 PM\nK: Roy, do you know the name of that member of the Libyan Revolutionary\nCouncil who wants to come over here?\nA: I don't have it in my head but I can get it to you in one minute.\nK: Thank you.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nDean Brown/Secretary Kissinger\nMarch 12, 1974\n6:07 PM\nK: Dean, I've been talking this afternoon to the personal assistant to\nPresident Sadat and he tells me that we would be well advised to put an\nAmbassador to Abu Dhabi. Have we got a post there?\nB: No sir. I'll tell you what we're doing on that. We are going up at this\nmoment on the supplemento on which I'm testifying on Thursday and included\nin the supplemento is money to open up Abu Dhabi and three other mini posts\ndown on the Gulf.\nK: With separate Ambassadors?\nB: Separate Ambassadors, sir.\nK: Abu Dhabi.\nB: Abu Dhabi, Qatar, Bahrain and Muscat, Oman. So we're all set on that.\nWe're going to be talking too at our personnel meeting on Friday about these\nposts. I've already approached people on the Hill and told them on the Hill\nthat we'd like to move ahead even though we don't have the money towards\nthe appointment of these men.\nK: What I would like to do - I would like to get somebody into Abu Dhabi as\nquickly as possible.\nB: We can do that now, I've got permission of the Congress.\nK: Ch, terrific.\nB: No, I'm ahead of you on this one sir, for the first time.\nK: Well, can I then tell the Egyptians we'll do it within the next six weeks?\nB: You tell them that within the next six weeks, we'll have someone named.\nAs a matter of fact if you're willing to meet with us on Friday, we'll have\nsomebody named on Friday.\nK: OK.\nB: Good, sir.\nK: Thank you. Get me some recommendations.\nB: We have some for you sir. Which we'll discuss with you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nBrown - page 2\nK: Good.\nB: Any the way, what I'm planning to do on these small posts is to send Class\ntwo and three officers.\nK: Absolutely younger officers.\nB: OK as long as you\nK: They have to be two and three.\nB: I asked the system for names and they came up with the average grade of\nFSO-2, but the average age was 52 and I said the hell with that.\nK: No, they should be in their low 40's.\nB: Exactly, sir. OK, we'll think in the same way.\nK: Terrific.\nB: OK sir, bye.\nK: Bye.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nLarry Eagleburger/Secretary Kissinger\nMarch 12, 1974\n7:35 PM\nK: Larry.\nE: Yes sir.\nK: I haven't of course yet seen this thing by Manley that Flanagan has seen\nthat's been kicking around everywhere.\nE: The briefing paper has been in at least with Campbell since 1/2 hour after\nyou called me. I talked to Shlaudeman and I read the paper, it is a very tough\nposition. He talked with Flanagan, he did not accept his position. The paper\nwas written in the State Department and it's been with Campbell since you talked\nto me.\nK: Don't you think I should have been given the privilege of ask what I think?\nAt any point? I still don't have it.\nE: I'll have to check with Dick to see where it is.\nEND\n7:43\nK: Since there was of course discussion with Flanagan, I'm entitled to know.\nwhat his views are. And they should be incorporated.\nE: Alright sir.\nK: Since it was raised at a staff meeting in the White House I want to know\nwhat it is I've rejected. If this is tougher than what Flanagan has done.\nE: Alright sir.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nErnst Van der Beugel/Secretary Kissinger\nMarch 12, 1974\n8:10 PM\nVdB: Hi, my friend.\nK: Hi Ernst. How are you?\nVdB; Fine.\nK: It took 45 minutes to find you and now I have to run off to a dinner for\nKing Hussein. When can I call you tonight?\nVdB: Henry, how is tomorrow morning? Tonight will be all right. When\nwill we be back - 10:00. How long will the dinner be.\nK: Until about 10:30.\nVdB: 10:30, that's fine. Then I will be with Kitty.\nK: OK, I'll call you around 10:30.\nVdB: Alright, I'll be here at 10:30.\nK: Good. What do you think of the behavior of your compatriots?\nVdB: Of my compatriots? Everybody is crazy over there.\nK: I'll tell you. They're going to force us into drastic measures.\nVdB: Yes. But are my compatriots worse then the others or not.\nK:\nK: No, I meant the Europeans.\nVdB: Of the Europeans.\nK: No, no, in fact the Dutch are better than the others.\nVdB: But they are totally irrelevant.\nK: We're now going to ignore them.\nVdB: But listen. They are totally irrelevant, don't get excited. Don't\ntry to get them into declarations which are not worth the paper.\nK: No, we're dropping the declarations now.\nVdB: I think that would be a good thing to do. Drop the declaration and if\nyou understand what I mean, go to Europe alone.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nVan der Beugel - page 2\nK: Yes. That we canceled too.\nVdB: Yes, because that would be disastrous.\nK: Really.\nVdB: Don't get too excited about it because this is primarily irrelevant.\nThey are totally at a loss and it is totally irrelevant. The French attitude\ncannot be explained any more by political sciences but only by psychiatrists.\nK: OK, I must run, I'll call you about 10:30.\nVdB: Call me at 10:30.\nK: 10:30 to 11:00.\nVdB: Yes, I will be at Kitty's.\nK: Good. Bye.\nVdB: Bye.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSecretary Kissinger\nJoan Braden\n3/13/74 9:08 a. m.\nB\nto answer this question, but onceyou told me to wait until\nyou had to chance to see about the Statement. Dept But I really have\nto negotiate on Thursday--I don't need a definite answer but I\nassume you have decided fhat for whatever reason that you just--\nK:\nWell I talked to David about it too to see what his view was and\nhe looked over the situation with me and she xxid we just couldn't\ncome up with anything that wouldn't create massive problems.\nB:\nHe told me that I should do something about it, because he thought\nyou needed me you know\nK:\nNo, I give you my word\nB:\nListen, don't be silly--\nK:\nHe had told me that--\nB:\nThe last thing he told me before you left was call Henry- I\nK:\nI need you there is no question bout that- I asked him, we both\nagreed that Joanie would be atremendous asset\nB:\nLet me just ask you one question I'm not sure -- for one thing\nI'm\nnot\nsure\nI\neven\nwant\nit.\nThere is no point in getting me into\nthe bureaucracy\nK:\nWell that is the problem\nB:\nI could get a job more probably--\nK:\nNo, no I could get a job for you in this bureaucracy but you are no\ngood to me there\nB:\nBut the point was--or even I might be able to get a job there the point\nis there is no way that you could get me as an assistant to you where\nI could be helpful in dealing with people so that the things happening to you--\nK:\nLook Joanie give me 3 or 4 more days because I have had one diaster\nafter another this week\nI have had a series of press disasters this week which would never have\nhappened if a thoughtful person--\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPage 2\nB:\nIf you put me some place as your assistant, I don't think you should\nworry about publicity I will tell you what it is going to be--it will be\na short article by Dandy Stroud - believe me I have a very, very good\nwork record and nobody can say that you are hiring a girl who is a\nfriend of your.\nK:\nNo, my problem will be over here at the WH\nB:\nBut whether you can hire me as an assistant to you where you don't\nhave to bother I have a very small ego--if I could help you ab id\nsome of the things that I hear coming up, I would love to do it.\nIf I can't, then I might as well go on--at the time I am willing to wait\nindefinitel y just--yo a know I would go ahead and negotiate and if you\nneed me fine\nK:\nNo, no give me until the middle of next week.\nB:\nI will give you indefinitely\nK:\nNo, no the middle of the next week\nB:\nThanks for calling me.\nK:\nRight, Bye.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nFM Rabasa/Sec. Kissinger\nMarch 13, 1974\n12:50 pm\nK: Emilio,\nR: Hi, Henry, good morning.\nK: How are you?\nR: I was thinking things over because I am so concerned as to the success\nof the Washington meeting and I more or less came to an idea. The\nmajor and of the international and local press has been favorable to the\nTlateloco meeting and I want to congratulate you on the instructions you\ngave to Kubisch at the meeting in Quito. All the people there in Quito\nmentioned the Tlateloco dialogue and the President of Venezuela who\njust acame into power came in saying, or mentioned the Foreign Ministers'\nmeeting in Mexico. So now we have something positive in our hands and\nwe should do something to continue it. I have an idea but I wanted your\nreaction before I go through with it. On the one part, this is the spirit\nof Tlateloco and the other part, I think we have to come out with something\nconcrete because if not we are going to be criticised, especially now at\nyou because it is at your home and your backyard and then I learn that\nSenator Mansfield said in the Senate and was reporting of the meeting in\nMexico that a new projection and a new idea should be given of Cuba.\nThat is how it came out in Mexican papers this morning. S O Henry,\nthinking of you as my friend on the one hand and on the other, trying\nto see what positive steps to make forward -- I don't want your people\nto beat you to the punch back home. So I was thinking, but I want your\nreaction on this -- give it a thought and then call me back if Mexico\nproposed at the meeting in Washington that Cuba should be invited\nat the next meeting of Foreign Ministers, not to the OAS, and at least\nfor you as President, which you will be at the Conference -- not to have an\nobjection, just to be silent. Then I would go this weekend or next weekend\nto speak to Fidel Castro and tell him that one of the things that has hurt\nyou more is that everytime we speak about you going into the OAS thatyou\nstart screaming and saying horrible things about the United States. This\ncomes out also because at one press CO nference that I had lately, I said\nthat Mexico WXIS would always support the admittance of Cuba to the OAS\nbut that Mexico would not go hat in hand to ask Cuba because Castro always\ncomes back with nasty answers. Well, this divides public opinion -- some\napplauded it, some didn't. I know that in Argentina, people were very happy\nat me saying these things which was a little distorted but there was some\nwho were very happy. We are the first that have always had relations\nwith Cuba we still maintain the relations wi th Cuba and SO forth, but\nwe will not go hat in hand because everytime we speak about this thing\nCuba , Castro or somebody comes out and says we were\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-2-\nR: (cont. ) instruments of the United States and etc. etcetera. And\nthat hurts my national pride. So I said we would not do this. Well,\ntaking all these things into consideration and decide whatever you are\nthinking -- now that the famous economic block has been more or less\nretired to Argentina, etcetera, etcetera -- which is a very positive\nthing and which would also be worked through Washington -- what is\nyour reaction if I put this there -- the majority of the countries will be\nfor this proposal becuase I know they are happy with this thought and\nthe only opposition wo uld be Brazil, Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia\nand Chile. Well, if the idea goes through - - a tremendous success for\nyour meeting in Washington to have a new attitude towards Cuba.\nK: But I have a massive problem with my President and Emilio, I\nactually have to run off now. Can I call you tomorrow?\nR: Yes, give the idea thought. I want you not to reject when I propose\nit if we get together and I propose it. Just to abstain.\nK: Yes, but that may be impossible in Washington.\nR: Well, Mansfield is already speaking about new ideas.\nK: Yes, but Mansfiedl is not the President.\nI'll call you tomorrow.\nR: Think the idea over please.\nK: Right.\nR: Goodbye Henry.\nK: Bye.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nIvan Head/Secretary Kissinger\nMarch 13, 1974\n3:00 PM\nH; Hello Henry.\nK: How are you?\nH: I'm very well indeed.\nK: They're all calling you professor here, are you a professor?\nH: At one time I was, I'm not sure why they're still cal ling me that.\nK: I didn't know you had been one.\nH: Oh, yes. I keep wanting to drop you a line to extend congratulations on\nall your accomplishments, they keep piling up and you keep moving around.\nK: If I could only keep the press out of informal meetings I'm having I'd\nbe in an more favorable position.\nH: I was going to ask whether I should introduce myself as a friend or an\nenemy or a neutral.\nK: What you don't understand is any day now were going to start detente\nwith the Europeans and then we'll have another feather in our hat.\nH: I wish you success. Henry, I'll be very brief. You're going to be meeting\nwith Prime Minister Manley and your Embassy here indicated you'd be grateful\nif we could give you some indication of what the two Prime Ministers spoke\nabout when they met yesterday. I put it to Manley that there was a request from\nyour Embassy to pass on whatever information and that if you didn't want any-\nthing passed on, we wouldn't do it. It seemed to me it was a good idea because\nwhat he had told us was so reasonable and he accepted that immediately and instruct\ned me indeed if possible to get through/you to give you my views on the thing and the\nPrime Ministers, SO here they are in very quick form. The first point that\nManley was attempting to make and will make to you I'm sure is that in the\npolitical climate of his country at this stage, That is a developing country\nrelying to a large extent on an extract of industry he feels that there is a\nreality about participation in that industry which is equally strong and as\nvivid as the need for independence was during his father's time. Just a gener-\nation ago. This is a reality which he has to live with and he hopes we'll accept\nthat. Secondly, he says that the proposals he will be putting to the bauxite\nCompanies in the course of the next week and I emphasize that he gave us no\ndetails nor did he intend to, of what he has in mind. But those proposals will\nbe aimed at increasing the benefits to the Jamaican economy through increased\nperformance of , that is increased production basically of the companies, and\nDECLASSIFIED\nE.O. 13526, Section 3.5\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nNLN09-16/12526 Per 11/14/2013\nDECLASSIFIED\nBy RJ (MIH NARA, Date 11/30/2016\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nHead - page 2\npartly by more local upgrading of the resource. Some of the companies, as\nyou know and Alkan (phonetic) is one, does reduce the bauxitelinto alumina\non site, some of the companies don't and I think it is his intention to encourage\nthem all to do so, but he didn't spell it out. Basically, however, in this\nrespect he's looking for increased productivity through future participation\nand the last thing he wart S to do is even to talk about expropriation or confiscation.\nHe's not that kind of guy and I think you'll find he makes this kind of impression\nupon you. And finally, he explained the purpose of his trips to Washington and\nOttawa in addition to this kind of explanation by hoping we would accept his\ncredibility as a leader who will in fact hue the line that he's - the message he's\ndelivering both to my Prime Minister and to you that this is not the first step\nin a continuing line of activities against foreign-own industry in the country.\nHe's not that kind of guy, he says and he convinced us, we've known him over\na period of years, of course, that he's not and it will be his attempt to convince\nyou the same thing.\nK: OK.\nof\nH: But in terms/details, I don't think you'll find any from him. His first\nmeeting with one of the bauxite companies comences on Monday of next week.\nK: What position did you take?\nH: In response to this?\nK: Yes.\nH: We said that if this in fact was all he was going to do then we would not\nscream and yell and say that he couldn't interfere with the production of the\ncompanies that the companies had not come to us asking for help yet, and if\nin fact he was being as fair to them offering incentives to increase production\nso that their profits would increase and not simply a buying ode to the company\nout of it's own profits which is what Guyana did to Alkan there then this sounded\nreasonable to us but we would have to see what he was going to do and hear the\ncompanies point of view as well. So we didn't give him any undertakings.\nK: My associates have given me a briefing paper, which if I follow it must\ntotally confuse him because I don't understan what it means.\nH: The one point we did make with him was that we could not stand idly by\nif he was going to discriminate. I said to him in the presence of Mr. Trudeau\nthat it's all very well if he comes here and we seem to be friends with one another\nand then he goesdown and finds that you're a tougher guy and ends up taking\nit out on the Canadian company and not on the Americans.\nK: That's just my strategy.\nH: It is.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nHead - page 3\nK: There are some allies with whom we stilll have half-way decent relations\nand I can't have that.\nH: In any event, this is what happened in Guyana for reasons of not U.S.\nGovernment initiative, but Bernumnationalized Demba which is the Alkan company\nand left Reynolds alone and the reason he did it was the Alkan was the giant\nin Guyana and Reynolds was insignificant;nevertheless in the eyes of the\nCanadian not citizen it appears we were discriminated against so we said we\ncould/stand for that and he said it wasn't his intention to discriminate against\nany company who was going to deal with them all in an equal fashion and an\nacceptable fashion he was sure to the companies and to the governement. So\nwe have to rely on his word and hope he will follow through. But if he doesn't\nthen he knows we'll be back on him.\nK: OK. I'll let you know what we discuss.\nhuman\nH: OK and I doubt he'll vary from that. You'll find him a very/likable type\nand quite different from your recent contacts from across the waters.\nK: They're likable too actually of all the foreign ministers I know, with no\noffense meant, I like Jobert best.\nH: He's an attractive man, isn't he?\nK: So this is nothing personal.\nH: May I ask you one other question. We're still keeping April 25 set aside\nhere for possible activity. Should we be continuing to reserve it?\nK: You mean in Europe.\nH: Yes.\nK: We'll make up our mind within the next few days.\nH: Very good. There are other pressures on him and I've told him no, he\nmust hold that in the event that this activity is going to take place.\nK: We'll decide in the next few days, it's beginning to sort of lose it's point.\nH: It seems to. What we read in the papers.\nK: OK\nH: Nice chatting with you.\nK: Nice to talk to you.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nThe President/Sec. Kissinger\nMarch 13, 1974\n4:30 pm\nK: Mr. President,\nN: Any report from our Arab friends?\nK: I haven't had any report yet, no Mr. President.\nN: I see it is 4:30, well they never get through til late.\nK: No, they' are probably in the middle of a great\nN: Pow wow.\nK: Pow wow.\nN: Right, but we think they are meeting.\nK: Yes, well we know they are all in town. They were supposed to meet\nthis morning and then it was put off til after lunch so they didn't start until\nabout, oh, here that would make it about\nN: Well, they are still at it. Fine, fine. Good, nothing else of interest?\nK: No, I testified before the Armed Serivices Committee this morning\nbut that's a friendly group.\nN: Yes.\nK: The Senate Armed Services Committee.\nN: Right, rightI spoke to the British Ambassador and he said he wanted\nto assure me that Harold Wilson felt that the British/American relationship\nwas the cornerstone of their foreign policy.\nK: Well, that is very helpful to us\nchat\nN: And that he is very anxious to /and I of CO urse told him I would see him.\nI couldn't while I was there but I am going to invite him in next week and\nhave a little chate with him before he goes back.\nK: That VO uld be very very useful.\nN: And I'll give him a good going over.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-2-\nK: Good, that would be very useful.\nN: Harold is going to want to have some foreign policy -- some little\nthings for his bonnet and he just may start swinging a little weight\naround.\nK: Absolutely, Mr. President. I think that's the way to play it.\nN: Right, right.\nK: I'll call you as soon as I hear. We must hear within the next little while.\nN: We may not, we'll see. Of course, I know you'll call. That's fine,\ndon't worry about it -- we'll see what happens.\nK: Right, Mr. President.\nN: Ok, what did the Armes Services Committee ask you about.\nK: Oh, they asked about SALT and the Middle East, Diego Garcia,\nVietnam appropriations. Harold Hughes who was there made some positive\nnoises.\nN: Good, well he is leaving th e Senate and he can afford to be positive\nnow can't he.\nK: Exactly.\nN: Alright, thank you.\nConversation ended -- then the President called back.\nN: I thought you would be interested -- the new Australian Prime Minister\nbent my ear a bit by saying that his Prime Minister wanted me to know\nthat he felt the American/PRC/Soviet relationship was the key to any\npossibility of survival to them or for the world and he wanted to be\nsupported totally.\nvarious\nK: That is why it is essential to maintain it no matter what the hewspapers\nhere say. But that is very helpful considering the origin.\nN: Yes, people were all talking up\nK: That's very good. Thank you Mr. 'President.\nN: Bye.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGeneral Scowcroft/Sec. Kissinger\nMarch 13, 1974\n4:35 pm\nK: Did you talk to Vorontsov about my going?\nS: Yes I did and he said about arriving on the 24th -- he said No, I\nassumed that that would be the case and he said I'll call him right away\non the 28th departure and I'll get back to you and I'll do it today.\nK: Good, and do they need a list of the newsmen and so forth?\nS: I am sure they will, but you know as soon as we lock it in, why,\nwe'll start all the normal procedures. But he didn't seem alarmed\nby saying that he would have to leave on the morning of the 28th.\nK: Yes, but we will get that settled fairly soon.\nS: Oh yes.\nK: They have got me here on a schedule again *hak which I promise you\nis going to lead exither to either a clean-up of this place or my leaving.\nS: You mean the long-term schedule?\nK: No, no. On today's schedule, for example. Just take a look at it.\nS: Well, you know that 5:00 one, I just have no idea what that is.\nK: Well, that had to be, but why dixix the Tunisian FM has to be brought\nin today with all these other things.\nWe'll have to discuss it some\nother time.\nS: It is not on mine.\nEND\nK: Can you get a message back to Sonnenfeldt -- say that he can brief\nthem about my Moscow trip along the lines that he suggests and that he\ncan tell them we will probably ran make the announcement Friday.\nAnd that it will be from the 25th to the 28th and we will have consultations\nwith them afterwards. Probably by a member of our party. We can\npeel somebody off while I go to London. See what I mean.\nS: Ok, right. That would be good.\nK: Ok. END\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Easum/Secretary Kissinger\nMarch 13, 1974\n6:25 PM\nE: Yes, sir, Easum.\nK: Yes, I think you should send a cable to the Algerians telling them that\nboth the President and I will be delighted to see\nand look forward to\nit when he comes here.\nE: OK.\nK: And if we could have some idea when, it would help.\nE: Good.\nK: I don't think we can make it dependent on the other one.\nE: Alright.\nK: Good.\nE: We'll do it.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTEL ECON\nAmbassador Dinitz/Secretary Kissinger\nMarch 13, 1974\n6:38 PM\nD: I got hold of Eban. 11:30 is fine and he will stay for lunch, on Friday.\nK: Good.\nD: Is it all right with you.\nK: Does it have to be kosher?\nD: No, it just has to be good, Mr. Secretary.\nK: It will be up to the standards of his house.\nD: You do not want to commit yourself even on culminary matters.\nK: Right.\nD: Mr. Secretary, do you think we should have a telephone talk with each\nother sometime before his meeting.\nK: Absolutely.\nD: What time will it be convenient for you.\nK: Let me - sometime in the morning.\nD: Sometime in the morning. OK.\nK: Are you having, at. any rate is we miss we can still have it at your house.\nD: Except that he will be there.\nK: Yes. We'll do it tomorrow sometime, probably in the morning.\nD: You're asking if I'm going to have what, Mr. Secretary?\nK: You remember you owe me a visitor next week.\nD: Oh, you mean for the talks. I wanted to ask you how does it square with\nyour change of schedule.\nK: I want him on Thursday.\nDECLASSIFIED\nD: What date is it.\nE.O. 13526, Section 3.5\nPersec. 3.3 3.3(h)(2); Hr. 9/7/2018\nBy RJ MH NARA, Date 10/16/2018\n[p.lof 2]\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nSANITIZED COPY\nDinitz - page 2\nSANITIZED\nK: The 21st.\n3.3(h)(2)\nD: Oh, the 21st. And you will be going to Moscow afterwards ?\nK: Yes.\nD: So, I'll let the government know the 21st is the date because I didn't know.\nK: Yes, the 21st.\nD: the 21st. OK, I will cable now maybe I'll have an answer by tomorrow.\nK: Good. Terrific. And make it Dayan will you?\nD: I am pressing for it.\nK: It doesn't matter whether they send a clerk, the mere fact that you\nsent Dayan puts you in a stronger position.\nD: Yes, I understand.\nK:\nThere's\nanother thing which I'll tell you tomorrow.\nD: Fine. OK, then I'm looking forward to talking to you tomorrow and then\nI'll see you in the evening.\nK: Right.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nSANI DECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nC05098171\nSANITIZED COPY\nTELECON\nSANITIZED\nMr. Colby/Secretary Kissinger\nEO 13526 3.3(b)(6)>25Yrs\nMarch 13, 1974\nEO 13526 3.3(b)(9)>25Yrs\n7:00 PM\nEO 13526 3.3(b)(1)>25Yrs\nC: Let me do some checking.\nK: This is really just a matter of curiosity.\nC: Yes. I'll find out.\nDECLASSIME\nE.O. 13526, Section 3.5\n11/14/2013\nBy RJ IWILH NARA, Date 11/30/2016\nPresidential1 Library\nDECLASSIFIED\n12528\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nC05098171\nSANITIZED COPY\nColby - page 2\nK: No, that would be impossible.\nSANITIZED\nC: That raises some complicated problems.\n3.3(6)(1)(6)(9)\nK: OK, well, that's what we should do.\nC: Yes, but it will.\nK: I understand the problem. I know them very well.\nK: That's what we mean.\nC: That we'll do.\nK: Has Scowcroft talked to you about that.\nC: No, I had heard of it some place else.\nK: He's got a list of requirements, why don't you discuss it with him.\nC: OK, fine.\nK: Thank you.\nEND\nSANITIZED COPY\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGeneral Scowcroft/Secretary Kissinger\nMarch 13, 1974\n7:43PM\nK: Make sure that this thing get to the President, the question and answer.\nS: Right.\nK: And he cannot - it must be flagged - he cannot deviate much from it.\nS: No, I understand.\nK: OK\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSecretary Schlesinger\nSecretary Kissinger\n3/14/74 9:10 a.m. 1\nS:\nHenry, how are you?\nK:\nOkay, Jim.\nS:\nSo what do you want me to say to Hussein this morning?\nBasically?\nK:\nFirst, the President promised himsomething on the order of $100 -\n$70 million in grants and $30 million FMS credit\nS:\nOkay\nK:\nI just want you to be aware of that-\nS:\nDo we have the fiscal latitude to do that ?\nK:\nNo, he said we'll go to Congress on that. Now he wants $130 and\neven the President kept that open a little bit.\nS:\nRight.\nK:\nNow, Ithink you should tell him that we would prefer him to be the\nnegotiator with the Israelis and that we are sympathetic to his\ndisengagement ideas\nS:\nWhat are they?\nK\nWell he wants to have the Israelis pull out of the Jordan valley four\nkilometers\nS:\nhm huh\nK:\nI wouldn't tie myself to his specific plan but just to the idea that there\nshould be disengagement on his side too.\nS:\nOkay, now on air defense, what do we do?\nK:\nDid he ask for air defense?\nS:\nHe has asked for air defense. That seems to be the biggest thing\non his mind. I'm not sure it is the best thing for Jordan, but that\nseems to be the thing he is stressing.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPage 2\nK:\nI'd drag my feet a little bit on that.\nS:\nOkay.\nVery good. Now areyou planning an announcement on the minesweeping\noperation' ?\nK:\nNo, but at any rate it should be done--why don't we ask the Egyptians\nwhether they plan--don't let it come out of Defense\nS:\nNo, we won't -- Friedheim is working with Vest or somebody over\nin State - we assumed that you or State might make the announcement\nK:\nWell I don't think we should do it unless the Egyptians do it jointly\nwith us\nS:\nOkay, well I think you ought to announce it -- first of all, it is bound\nto leak out, you can't take all of those C5A's out of the United States\nK:\nYeh, okay, I agree with you. I didn't know that was being done, but\nI just X hadn't thought of it.\nS:\nIf you can talk to your Egyptian associates and get out a joint announce-\nment, I think it'd be damn good\nK:\nGood\nS:\nNow, there does seem to be some complaint of a division between you\nand me coming out of state still\nK:\nImpossible\nS:\nThere was some coming out of the Pentagon- I did what I could to turn\nit off\nK:\nA lot is coming out--I met yesterday with the editorial board of the POST\nS:\nI met yesterday with the editorial board of the NYTimes\nK:\nAnd I made a passionate defense of our relationship which happens to\nbe true\nS:Q\nYeh. Scotty Reston indicated he was getting some of this stuff and I\nthink most of his sources come from State\nK\nWell\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPage 3\nS:\nK:\nIt is total nonsense\nS:\nI told him bullshit - you ask Henry\nK:\nOn the contrary\nS:\nBut the reason I stress it is because-\nK:\nIs Scotty in town. I thought he would be in NY this week\nS:\nNo, I was up in NY\nK:\nOh you saw him in NY\nS:\nAnd I went over to talk to the businessmen on theCouncil of Foreign\nRelations\nK:\nI will give him a call\nS:\nOkay, that'd be helpful. Don't know where exactly he is_getting this\nstuff, but it is obviously in the interest not only to the Press but to\nsome of the people of the bureaucracy to cause this kind of division\nK:\nWell, first of all it isn't true, secondly, the country can't afford it\nS:\nYou bet, you bet.\nK:\nBut above all, it is totally the opposite of the truth\nS:\nRight, Okay\nK:\nGood Jim\nS:\nOkay.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nCongressman Wayne Hayes\nSecretary Kissinger\n9:29 a. m.\n3/14/74\nH:\na copy of the agenda,\nK:\nYeh\nH:\nAnd said if there was any specific thing you felt strongly about or\nwanted some input on to let me know, now I didn't know whether it\nwould get up to you or not and knowing how those desk officers work\nI doubt if I would ever hear from it again, but I thought you ought to\nknow about it it is only a --4 items and it is one page, triple space\nso you can read it in--\nK:\nFor the meeting you have in Williamsburg\nH:\nYeh\nK:\nGood, I'll take a look at it--\nH\nIf there is any specific thing you want expressed let me know and I'll\nsee that it gets expressed.\nK:\nLook I had another thought after you left yesterday, I was going to\ncall you today; I understand you are on the standing committee of\nthe NATO parlimentarians\nH:\nThat's right\nK:\nAnd they were going to meet in Brussels this year\nH:\nYeh\nK:\nI was wondering whether you thought it might be a good idea to bring\nthem over here instead\nH:\nWell, they were planning to come over here and because of financial\nproblems they didn't, so they xxxxing moved the standing committee\nmeeting back to Brussels and the idea is now to bring the regular\nyearly committee meetings over here in May. And I'll push for\nthat if you think it is a good idea\nK:\nI think it is a good idea - does it have to be May could it be early\nJune?\nH\nI don't see any reason why not\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPage 2\nK:\nBecause the President may not be in town in May\nH:\nYeh, well I would prefer to have it in June myself because we are\ntaking a delegation to France in May at the invitation of the French\ngovernment and I'd prefer to have it third, 4th and 5th of June or\nsomething like that.\nK:\nYeh\nH:\nSo I'll see if I can't arrange that--we are going to meetiver in\nBrussels on April 1 and 2\nK:\nWell we believe that ah--we think it might be a good occasion for\neither the President or me to address a group and to revitalize\nsome of the Atlantic ideas\nH:\nYeh, I think would be great if you want to do it\nK:H\nWe have a financial problem in the organization\nK:\nWell I may be able toh elp you from the Rockefellers\nH:\nWell if you - I'll tell you the biggest help we need is to get a plane\nto bring them over here\nK:\nYeh\nH\nIf we could do that, I think it is definitely something that can be done\nK:\nLet me take a look at it\nH:\nWe have done it before, but I haven't pushed for it lately\nAnd if we could get a plane to bring them over, I think we'd be in the\nballgame then\nK:\nWell, let me take a look at that\nH:\nOkay and we'll be together again later about then\nK:\nTerrific. Good thank you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nTom Jarriell\nSecretary Kissinger\n10:08 a.m.\n3/14/74\nJ:\nGood morning, Dr. Kissinger ?\nK:\nYes.\nJ:\nTom Jarriell, how are you sir ?\nK:\nOkay\nJ:\nI'm wondering about the Jerry Ford's comment this morning--he\nsaid he had talked to you about the oil embargo\nK:\nWe are talking on background\nJ:\nYes, sir\nK:\nHe must have misunderstood because there--we have had no official\nword -frankly you know as much as we do, because all we have is\nnews tickers -- if you draw exactly your own conclusions you are right\nup with our knowledge of the situation--\nJ:\nYou have had nothing through diplomatic channels\nK:\nNo, and I think the Vice President must have misunderstood some\nremarks I made about the general trend\nJ:\nRight\nBut he wasn't speaking on direct communication from the Libyan\nTripoli\nK:\nAbsolutely not and we will straighten that out with him\nJ:\nWould you have something on your schedule today where Ted or somebody\ncan be talking with you or--or do you know if you have any appearances\nthat you will be mentioning --\nK\nI don't think so--\nJ:\nDon't look for any today ?\nK:\nNo, no we will not make an announcement on the oil embargo\ntoday - if that is the thrust of your question\nJ:\nThat is what I am wondering.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPage 2\nK:\nThere is no possibility of any WH or State Dept announcement on the\noil embargo today\nJ''}\nFine, thank you.\nK:\nRight.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSecretary Kissinger\nHal Sonnenfeldt (Brussels)\n3/14/74 10:25 a.m.\nK:\nHello, when areyou coming back?\nS:\nSaturday\nK:\nAbout these letters we were discussing the other day--have you had\nany second thoughts ?\nS:\nYes, I'm just abut to send you a notice-there have been some quite\nwelcomed developments in that general area although one can never\ntell how well they sit and our judgment is that that particular\nreflected in that letter will reinforce that. I can get you this message\nin the next hour.\nK:\nCan you do that because we have to decide whether to do that letter\ntomorrow or NN to hold it to the middle of next week. What is your\njudgment?\nS:\nMy judgment is that it ought to be done sooner rather than later,\nbecause I think if you hold this particular matter open, the incentive\nfor these people to move or to continuing moving in the direction that\nwe want them to move may subside.\nK:\nOkay get me your message immediately\nS:\nRight\nK:\nThank you.\nS:\nHenry, have you been talking to the British over there?\nK\nNo\nS:\nI just asked Embassy London to send you a Daily Telegraph article\nwhich is uncanny.\nK:\nWhy , is it critical?\nS:\nNo, no. It is analytical and hits the nail on the head in somany\nrespects, I just found it rather baffling.\nK:\nI haven't talked to anybody.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPage 2\nS:\nWell you look at it. I just asked Embassy London about 2-3 hours ago\nto send it full text to you.\nK:\nI wouldn't talk without you Hal, you know that.\nS:\nI know. You're a hero over here, by the way.\nK:\nWhere ?\nS:\nHere at NATO. The only thing they don't understand is why they\nare illegitimate.\nK:\nHave you explained that to them ?\nS:\nI have tried to. But you haven't quite explained it to me.\nK:\nI said this not in relation to--I said it in relation to the impact of nuclear\nwar on a modern society\nS:\nOh hell.\nK:\nAnd I said that nobody ever -will ever recover from that just as no\nEuropean government that ended WWI ever recovered its legitimacy.\nS:\nI see. I see. Okay. I shouldhave read the transcript\nK:\nIt was never said in context with of our struggle with the E of our\nproblem with the Europeans\nS:\nI'll explain it. Let me get you this message right away.\nK:\nOkay.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nAmb. McCloskey/HAK\n3/14/74 - 10L36 a. m.\nK:\nBob.\nM:\nGood morning.\nK:\nBob, I think that maybe I should step into the press room today for five\nminutes and sort of apologize in a light-hearted way about what I said about\nlegitimacy. And just say now look gentlemen. Get it on the ground that when\nI'm with women my usual balance deserts and say I didn't know the press was\nthere. It was said in a totally different context in so far as it could be mis-\nunderstood and it could be I regret.\nM:\nThat's what you need to say.\nK:\nI regret having made that remark which does not reflect my view of the\ngovernment. There is a basic problem. We've stated it and lets now get back\nto discussing this problem. But it is not a personality issue between me and\nthe Europeans.\nM:\nMMMM. I think that's called for and I think that will retrieve it a good deal.\nK:\nNow, I can't get over there though much before 12:45. Can we hold the\nbriefing as late as that.\nM:\nYes. Indeed.\nK:\nAlright. Why don't you schedule it for 12:45.\nM:\nI 11 take care of it.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nBarry Schweid/Secy Kissinger\n10:40 a. m., March 14, 1974\nK:\nIf you read all the news reports, you know exactly what we\nknow. In other words, there's nothing to it.\nS:\nThere's nothing to --\nK:\nWell, we don't know.\nS:\nWe don't know in other words.\nK:\nYou know, he must have misunderstood some passing remark I made\nto him at dinner last night at the Jordanian Embassy.\nS:\nI see. On a lower level of importance, there's some confusion whether\nit will be in Tripoli or in Vienna Sunday.\nK:\nThat's right. [Laughter] I'm in exactly the same position you are,\nBarry.\nS:\nAll right, sir.\nK:\nI've seen both of these reports. But the official announcement though\nsaid Vienna, didn't it? Let me see -- [flips through papers] -- yeah,\nthe official announcement said Vienna.\nS:\nThere's a Libyan report --\nK:\nYeah, I've seen that.\na\nS:\nCourse I don't know what to make of it. It has Algeria asking for / two\nmonth lift.\nK:\nYeah, I've seen that. That's the only one of its kind I've seen. We have\nno official confirmation. of anything. In fact, we have no official word.\nS:\nI see. All right, sir. I appreciate it.\nK.\nOkay. Bye.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSen. Javits/Sec. Kissinger\nThursday, March 14, 1974\n12:45 pm\nJ: Yes, Henry.\nK: I never got word about the session\nJ: I told them to call you. They are going to have eleven Senators.\nK: And that makes it worth while.\nJff That makes it worth while.\nK: O.K. Thank you.\nJ: I will see you later.\nEND.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nGen. Scowcroft/Sec. Kissinger\nMarch 14, 1974\n12:48 p.m.\nS:\nHe said he had just heard and everything is just fine and\nthe way you want it; and the way you suggested and I said since the delay\nwe probably ought to announce it on Saturday. And he said, well, I think\nFriday is a much better day. with the press.\nBesides you yesterday\nhad indicated you'd be going on the 24th and we really ought to confirm\nit.\nK: O.K. Fine. Well, why doesn't the President announce it then when\nhe is out there.\nS: They propose an 11:00 announcement -- simultaneously -- 6:00 there.\nK: O.K. Then we had better announce it where? Can Ziegler announce\nit out there or you are going to have some Geddamned heart burn again.\nS: I think Ziegler ought to announce it wherever he is. Don't you?\nK: Yes.\nS: Haig is with the President now,\nK: Sonnenfeldt has already brief Lunt so we have no choice, we've got to\ngot But the French, I don't know very there is a Cherokee cable you ought\nto look at. The French are becoming/concillatory on the NATO declaration\nand the Germans have said they will never again sign anything without full\nconsultation with the US.\nS: See. You've done it again. Somehow I just knew you would. You know\nK: Do you think I should make that statement in the light of these conditions?\nS: I'm not sure you should now if this is what's happening. Let's just let\nit ride. I think it is a good statement and it wouldn't do any harm in any case\nbut if they are running\nK: O.K. Well, let me see. Good.\nS: Right.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAtherton/Sec. Kissinger\nMarch 14, 1974\n2:15 p.m.\nK: I think we had better make an announcement on the mine clearing.\nEveryone is straining at the leash.\nA: I see no harm.\nK: The point is we should do it together with the Egyptians.\nA: Why don't we put in a telegram what we would propose saying and\nhave Herman\nK: Can you do that?\nA: Yes, and we will check it out to see if they want a joint announcement\nor prefer to do it or have us do it.\nK: I wonder if Herman should go into see Fahmy on this story that they\nwill lift it (embargo) for two months.\nA: I can't believe that we are not going to be getting some communications.\nK: I think that Fahmy should understand this will make a Presidential\ntrip extremely difficult. We cannot go to the Middle East under\nblackmail.\nA: We have no real authoritative information.\nK: How about just getting that to him saying we have read these reports.\nWe should explain that the President would be in the Middle East at the\nsame time that the decision on the embargo has to be made and that\nmight change the whole picture.\nA: I see. See if we can smoke out what has been decided. We have had\nno authoritative counsel from anyone. I thought we would be getting\nmessages from Fahmy and others.\nK: I don't know what is happening. I think they decided to lift it but\nnot to announce it until Sunday and they had a 6 to 3 vote on that.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nAtherton - 2\nA: I think there may be some price tie -in and that may be the\nproblem. They may have to make a deal -- the Algerians wanted\nthe price kept up and maybe there was a deal they would lift the\nembargo if the Saudis agreed not to back the prices.\nK: Does OPEC include Iran?\nA: Yes. Venezuela, Nigeria and Indonesia.\nK: We should join OPEC.\nO.K. Get that to Fahmy. Both of them.\nA: Good.\nK: Thank you.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Dinitz/Sec. Kissinger\nMarch 14, 1974\n2:45 p.m.\nD: Mr. Secretary.\nK: Yes, Mr. Ambassador.\nD: How are you?\nK: Did I take you away from Marvin Kalb.\nD: No, no., I am having lunch with the Foreign Min. We have already\narrived at dessert so there is no\nK: At your home ?\na day\nD: No, at the Hotel here at the Hilton. Two meals at my house a\nday is too hard for Vivian. Mr. Sec. if I may I thought just briefly to\nsuggest to you what I think will be the topic that would be raised. On\nthe Jordanian situation he is familiar with the meeting of the Prime\nMinister.\nK: Is he there now.\nD: No, he is not with me. I am in a telephone booth. Although I don't\nthink he knows all the details that were suggested butin general the\nquestion of the corridor he knows about and the question of the Palestinian\nexile government he knows about. I think it will be helpful if you will\nalso tell us a little bit about the visit of the King and what next.\nK: Yes. But how much can I tell him.\nD: Well, unless the King has said things that he hasn't said to the Prime\nMinister you can tell him everything but if the King said something, as\nyou indicated to me, something special.\nK: The King hasn't said anything but the Egyptians have had an emissary\nhere and I thought you should know about that.\nD: On the Jordanian business.\nK: A little bit on the Jordanian business.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nDinitz - 2\nD: I suggest the following then\nK: Which indicates that they may want to play with Hussein.\nD: Let us do the following. Eban wants it too. At some point we will\njust remain the three of us. Because I am not only concerned about\nEban but I am concerned about the staff you know -- maybe you tell\nhim in general terms what the Egyptian wanted without any operative\nthing.\nK: He will leak it.\nD: Then don't say it at all then.\nK: I will tell it to you.\nD: Fine. Nevertheless he would want a few minutes alone,\nCare ( alone).\nK: We will see that the three of us, About Syria, are you going to\nbring somebody over next week.\nD: This is what I wanted to tell you. It is my -between you and me\npersonally, Mr. Sec. --it has been my recommendation to have Dayan\nall the time. I got Eban to agree with this. Golda will go along with it.\nThe big objection we have is from Dayan and the objection of Dayan is\nbased on two elements: a) he says he doesn't Assad believe anything can come\nout of it because only you can convince / to accept anything reasonable\nand therefore a second or third rate officer that will be sent here will\nnot be able to do anything.\nK: Look, will you tell that prima donna, t hat is perfectly true. I am\ntrying to gain time. I don't give a good God damn. I am not even going\nto give that officer the real plan but I have got to gain time and I've got\nto be able to prove that I can produce Dayan.\nD: Mr. Sec., this is exactly what I said, even if nothing will emerge\nout of this conversation it is important to indicate to the Egyptians that\nwe are doing for the Syriarswhat we have done for\nK: Exactly. I want Dayan over here then I am going off to Moscow. Then\nI want the Syrian. Dayan can be out of the country by then. Dayan has\nabsolutely nothing to do with the Syrian. Then I am going to give the\nSyrian triple talk.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nDinitz - 3\nD: I understand. I suggest that you mention to Eban this. Eban is\nwith us on this. He agrees that Dayan should come and Golda I think\nwill go along with it. The Government will decide on it Sunday. So\nEban is impressed with the feeling that you want Dayan, he would be\nable to cable Golda that he found that it is a matter for you that would\neither make or break the future negotiations.\nK: Secondly, Mr. Amb., I want you really to study some of these ideas\ncarefully that you and I discussed. I know that they are terribly\npainful for you.\nD: You mean on the Syrian situation. What do you think I have been\ndoing. That is the second reason why Dayan doesn't want to come.\nK: I know. That's the first reason -- not the second.\nD: No, no, the second one because any govt now that will suggest\nanything beyond Oct. line would be dead duck tomorrow. But discuss\nit also with Eban. He is familiar with this idea.\nK: I know ybut we are back at the old business. You have to consider it\nin terms of the other alternatives. We know now that the French and\nthe Russians have made formal demarches in Syria not to settle with me.\nD: Yes, that I also mentioned to you when I saw you because we knew\nthe French were active in Damascus on this. But I think you are right\nin assuming that the Syrians had rather do business with you than with\ntheir other friend.\nK: Yes, but they are under great pressure. Therefore, I have to have\nsome action: going.\nD: We will discuss it. It is not a simple situation -- I don't want to\ngo into now but we are also\nK: Mr. Amb., I have learned one thing. The Israelis will do everything\nwith bad grace but it will eventually be the right thing and it is better\nto do the right thing with bad grace than the wrong thing with good grace.\nD: That is correct, but Mr. Sec., ave also learned that things that you\nthink are impossible can always be\nK: That is the wrong lesson you learned. That was the lesson you learned\nfrom the Egyptians. I said this to somebody. I said it this morning that\nthe Israeli govt reminds me of a fellow who wins at roulette ten times in\na row and now they think that is the normal event and they make their\nbudget on that assumption.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nDinitz - 4\nD: Only if you are the croupier.\nK: No, no. Really. Don't expect this. I give you my word. My\nassessment is that the minimum you have to settle for is what I gave\nyou. I am really serious.\nD: I know, and believe me I have passed this on. I just want you to know.\nK: I have no indication that that will be accepted but if it will be\nrejected at least we can split the Arabs on it.\nD: If you can be 100 percent sure it will be rejected it will be easier\nfor me to sell it.\nK: O.K. We will talk about it tomorrow.\nD: The other subject he would want very much to talk to you about is\nthe Russians. There is great concern in Israel over the role of\nthe Russians and between you and me there has been some criticism\nthat maybe you don't take to severely the Russian statements in\nDamascus, the Russian behavior vis-a-vis the whole Middle East\ndevelopment and he would want to hear from you how you evaluate the\nRussian role in the Middle East.\nK: Very dangerous. What does he want me to do , be tougher publicly.\nD: I don't know. He thinks that the Russians should be put in their\nplace in a more vigorous manner but let him explain his position.\nK: That's childish but look I've got to go to the Foreign Relations Cmte.\nWhat questions have you planted?\nD: No, no. This time I let you off easily. But you said to the Jews that\nunless I call you seven times a week I don't earn my salary.\nK: No., I said unless you call me seven timesa day.\nD: No, weekly they said, and they have started a campaign to raise money\nto supplement my salary now.\nK: I told the Jewish leaders that you have a quota -- that you were a\nstakhanovite.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nVice President Ford/Secretary Kissinger\nMarch 14, 1974\n5:48 PM\nF: Hi, Henry.\nK: Hello, Mr. Vice President.\nF: How are you, Henry?\nK: OK. I just called you because I've been harrassed by both the President\nand the press all day long about what I may or may not have said to you.\nF: When?\nK: About the embargo. You know you said this morning you had heard from\nme that it was being lifted. All I want you to know if I had said to the press\nall day long what they asked me, then all I know about the embargo is what\nI read on the press tickers because we haven't had any official word. And that\nI must have given you the general sense of an expectation.\nF: I guess that's right, but then I read the paper this morning and I was on\nthat 7:30 TV program, Henry.\nK: No, I just want you to know that I didn't mean to pull away from you.\nF: Right.\nK: But I had no choice because then to say that we haven't had any official\nword because if I said anything else Faisal would hit the ceiling.\nF: Right, I understand. As I recall what I said, I said apparently it had\nbeen lifted and that a final notification would probably come in several days\non Sunday and then they asked me, did I have any previous notice and I said\nwell I fuzzed it a bit, forgotten exactly what I said and then - did I say I\ntalked with you last night about it?\nK: Well, that's what the news ticker brought, but you might well have -\nactually I don't remember that we talked abo ut it.\nF: I don't think so either and my best recollection is, Henry I didn't say\nI talked to you about it last night.\nK: Well to tell you the truth, all I saw was the news ticker and they may\nwell have run together two separate statements.\nF: And put it on the basis that you and I were together last night.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nFord - page 2\nK: Well they didn't say I said it last night. They said you said - I said it\nwould be lifted which I probably did say to you at some point.\nF: That's right, but I suppose they made it more emphatic as a result\nof our being together last night.\nK: Look, my concern now is not with what you said but SO that when you\nsee news reports that I said I had not given the clear impression that I\ndidn't pull away from you.\nF: Don't worry about that, Henry. I understand fully and you don't even\nhave to call about those things.\nK: I am determined to maintain some friendships in this town.\nF: Well, it will be forever.\nK: I know that.\nF: OK, you're damn nice to call.\nK: Thank you.\nF: Don't worry about those little things , I understand what the damn press\ndoes.\nK: Right.\nF: Keep going.\nK: Thank you.\nF: Alright, Henry.\nK: Bye.\nF: Thanks for calling.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGeneral Haig/Secretary Kissinger\nMarch 14, 1974\n6:10 PM\nK: Al.\nH: Yes, Henry.\nK: I just wanted to check, he has signed off on that letter?\nH: Oh, Yes. I gave it to Brent when I called you.\nK: OK, well, then we'll get it off by telegram.\nH: Good.\nK: That's right. He assumed you were sending it tonight.\nK: Right. Now, I talked to Ford because I made too many statements disavowing\nhim today.\nH: Yes.\nK: And he says it's ridiculous, he never even said this.\nH: No, the questions said it.\nK: He said we never even discussed it yesterday.\nH: Right. I listen to the thing. It was, you've been close to Dr. Kissinger\nlately, something to that effect. What has happened on the embargo and he\nsaid well I understand, he informs me or something like that, that it's done.\nK: Yes.\nH: It was a very brief exchange. He sort of got led into it.\nK: Yes.\nH: His guy came over here, I said, look just don't worry about it. I'ts a\nminor problem Henry.\nK: That's what I think.\nH: Nobody's paying any god-damned attention to it.\nK: I think it's not right to keep the Vice President from hosting that sort of\na dinner. He changed all his travel plans. He didn't do any damage.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nHaig - page 2\nH: Oh, no. There was a bad statement on the society page from that jackass\nHartman which he said they were suddenly ordered to do this then to change\neverything you know as though nobody knew what they were doing.\nK: No.\nH: That's what that was all about.\nK: Oh, oh, I see. OK.\nH: Everything is alright here, Henry. Status quo.\nK: Good. OK, then we'll send the letter.\nH: Yes, OK.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAssistant Secretary Sisco/Secretary Kissinger\nMarch 14, 1974\n7:30 PM\nS: Hello.\nK: Joe, you know, there has to be somebody in NEA when I'm in the building,\nit just can't be that I've got to run all over the place looking for people.\nS: Yes.\nK: And it really happens too often since you're not there any more. Now we've\ngot a cable from Fahmy which we've got to answer tonight in which he asks what\nhe should say to - first of all he wants to know what reactions we've had from\nAlgeria and I think we should send Eilts some of these cables from Algiers.\nS: Yes. You mean on the embargo?\nK: Yes.\nS: Yes.\nK: And secondly, on the two months thing we ought to say that's a very difficult\nthing for us partly it's a qquestion of dignity and secondly as a question of the\nend of those two months coinciding with the President's trip into the Middle East\nand we can hardly have the President go their looking as if he's opportuning\nfor getting the thing extended.\nS: Alright, why don't I - I'm getting into a clean tie - why don't I just come on\nback.\nK: It's got to go tonight.\nS: Yes. I'm just trying to figure out here - I can be a little late for this dinner.\nI'm just getting into a clean tie and I'll just go into the Department.\nK: Well, wear a clean shirt while you're at it.\nS: I think I ought to, don't you. May as well do both. Alright, I'll take care\nof it.\nK: We'll get it out tonight?\nS: What I'll do, I'll\nK: Isn't there a country director, these heros you talk about SO much who can\ndo it.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nSisco - page 2\nS: Sure there is but (a) they're gone and (b) this has been one of the problems\nand that is we've kept them out of these things. And that's why we're SO thin\nin that regard.\nK: Atherton isn't here or I\nS: That's alright. What I'll do is come in right now, I'll get dressed here\nin about five minutes, and then I'll draft it and then bring a carbon right to the\ndinner and you can have a look at it.\nK: OK, fine.\nS: Good.\nK: And you will indicate which of the Algeria cables - there were about two in\nwhich he said they were in favor of lifting the embargo.\nS: I'll have to look them up and that may be a problem too, because I don't\nknow whether - S/S is there in any event I can probably get them located.\nK: One of them that's in my take now.\nS: Yes.\nK: But there were several during this week.\nS: Yes, I' m aware of them, I read them all, but no where did I feel that we\nget a categoric response in those cables, of an affirmative character.\nK: Well no, there was one where he said he was in favor of it now.\nS: That was Humdhani (phonetic).\nK: No, there's one today, You know this whole system in which I'm\noperating is\nS: I don't think you should have to worry about that. Just let me take that in\nhand and this can be gotten out tonight.\nK: There is a cable today. Here we are. No that isn't the one. I saw\nsomething.\nS: Just send that out to Dick Campbell and I'll\nK: No, it isn't in that bunch.\nS: I'll stop by the office and see what we can do on it.\nK: OK.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified."
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