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Release would disclose investigatory information compiled for law\nrights.\nenforcement purposes.\nD. Release would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of privacy\nG. Withdrawn and return private and personal material.\nor a libel of a living person.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential returned non-historical material.\nDECL ASSIFIED\nNATIONAL ARCHIVE suant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassifi ORM 1421 (4-85)\nDOCUMENT WITHDRAWAL RECORD [NIXON PROJECT]\nDOCUMENT\nDOCUMENT\nNUMBER\nTYPE\nSUBJECT/TITLE OR CORRESPONDENTS\nDATE\nRESTRICTION\n{\nTelcon\nHAK and William Colby (2pp)\n8/1/74\nB\nDECLASSIFIED\nper RAC review\n1/22/2009\n2\nTelcon\nHAK and Robert me Clostey (1p.)\n8/2/74\nB\n3\nTelcon\nHAK and Sincha Dinitz (3 pp.)\n8/2/74\nB\n4\nTelcon\nHAK nd William Colby (1 p.)\n8/2/74\nB\n5\nTekon\nHAK nd Sinche Dinitz C2 pp.)\n8/3/74\nB\nSANITIZED (See DOS upgrates)\nFILE GROUP TITLE\nBOX NUMBER\nKissings Transcripts - - Telephone Conversations\n26\nFOLDER TITLE\n1974 1-6 August\n11\nRESTRICTION CODES\nA. Release would violate a Federal statute or Agency Policy.\nE. Release would disclose trade secrets or confidential commercial or\nB. National security classified information.\nfinancial information.\nC. Pending or approved claim that release would violate an individual's\nF. Release would disclose investigatory information compiled for law\nrights.\nenforcement purposes.\n). Release would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of privacy\nG. Withdrawn and return private and personal material.\nor a libel of a living person.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential returned non-historical material.\nDECLASSIFIED\nATIONAL pursuant TION to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declass FORM 1421 (4-85)\nTELCON\nSecretary Kissinger\nMinister Dimitriou (Cyprus)\n8/1/74 9:15 a. m.\nD:\nHello, Dr. Kissinger !\nK:\nHow are you.\nD:\nThis is the foreign minister Dimitriou.\nD:\nHow are you, sir ? I am calling you because a few minutes ago, a\nman entered my hotel from CBS--and American newsman and AP people\nhave just come up from the north from the battlefields and saw tanks\nthere and bombing continuously 3 villages. And the people have left\nthese villages -there arepeople there and they're being killed.\nK:\nAll right, I will look into it.\nD:\nThe correspondents are quite desperate I have contacted various embassies\nand everything and we really feel that you probably are the only person\nwho can put a stop to this especially after the peace signature at Geneva\n--we wish that this could be stopped!\nK:\nAll right, I will do my best.\nI will look into it.\nD:\nI am sorry to be bothering you\nK:\nI will look into it immediately and we will do what we can.\nD:\nThank you very much. We really have our hopes in your hands.\nK:\nThank you for calling me-\nD:\nBye.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSecretary Kissinger\nFrank Mankiewicz\n8/1/74 9:20 a. m.\nK:\nHello\nM:\nHi, Henry.\nK:\nFrank how are you ?\nM:\nWell all right.\nK:\nI was really distressed to hear about your sister. It is unbelievable\nM:\nThere is no way to fit that in to any -- three kids, you know.\nK:\nNo, no it is the senselessness of it.\nM:\nInto any system or values.\nYou've been busy.\nK:\nIt is a hell of a period.\nM:\nWe both wereinvolved in the heads of state with beards.\nK:\nI'm very eager to see you. I think I proposed a lunch next week.\nM:\nNext week is going to be tough because I wanted to get away Saturday.\nthere is no chance in the next two days, huh ?\nK:\nLet me see.\nM:\nWe were going to go away for a month. I want to go away with her\nhusband and the kids I was going to leave Saturday.\nK\nLet me get back to you-\nM:\nAll right, I'll be at this number\nK:\nI'll find the time. I'll find the time\nM:\nWill you\nK:\nGood.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSenator Pastore\nSecretary Kissinger\n9:23 a. m. 8/1/74\nK:\nMr. Chairman, how are you!\nP:\nFine. Stop calling me Mr. Chairman, will you please start calling\nme John.\nK:\nGood.\nP\nAll right.\nK:\nI'll be much happier only if you call me by my first name.\nP\nAll right, I'll do that Henry. Look I've got a letter from the Providence\nChamber of Commerce from its President. I know this is an unusualy\nthing but it is a hell of a affair. Now I don't know what your policy\nis, but I've got to get in touch with these people--they are asking me\nthat because of my relationship with you if you would be willing to address\ntheir annual meeting in October of this year--on the 10th or date in\nOctober that you would designate. Now I don't know what your policy\nis\nK:\nMy policy is I've got two contradictory policies one is not to accept\nsuch invitations and the other to do almost anything within reason that\nyou ask me to do. Can you send that letter over to me and I'll try my\ndamnest to see whether I can do it.\nP\nAll right.\nK:\nDoes it have to be a very formal speech?\nP\nOh no, no no. Not at all. I mean these really the business and indus-\ntrial and leaders of the community it is a very, very fine group,\nbankers and and the industrialists and as x ****** xxf the manufacturers,\nit is a high-class group and I have had occasion to addre SS them from time\nto time--even when I was governor. And naturally of course if you decided\nto go, I would be privileged to introduce you and\nK\nI'd be very pleased\nP\nSo whey don't I\nK:\nAnd you send it over or have a messenger bring it over and I'll do my\ndamnest to make it possible.\nP\nAll right, thank yo u.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nDirector Colby\nSecretary Kissinger\n9:25 a.m. 8/1/74\nK:\nBill?\nC:\nYes, sir!\nK:\nTwo things, I wanted -- I'm going to have a brief meeting with Baker\non this electronic thing--\nC:\nFor you information, Dick is going to come\nK:\nNo, I invited Dick-. I want Dick to come, because you people will\nhave to monitor and follow it up.\nC:\nI've got to be on the Hill, unfortunately.\nK:\nRight.\nNow Bill one other thing that I wanted to mention to you that I'm\ngetting a little irritatedabout -- every time we have a crisis there\nare leaks out of the intelligence community what you people toldme\n, what you didn't tell me--\nC:\nThe Gelb story today\nK:\nWell, that one I didn't even see yet, but there was an earlier one\nsaying a senior intelligence official said that Kissinger blame not\nto have been told--is pure bullshit. I didn't say I wasn't told. Well\nI was not personally told. And you and I know if you give it high\npriority and want to call it to my attention you can do it then there\nare 500 reports kicking around the knwels\nthat I don't necessarily\nsee, but it is just a lousy game that all of us have to watch worry in\nevery crisis what we say in meetings that is then going to be used.\nC:\nYeh. Well\nK:\nI didn't think it was an intelligence failure we ought to have what\nwe ought to do anyway, Bill, is make a wrap up the way you did\nafter the Middle East thing what was done well and what was done\nbadly.\nC:\nI sent Dick Kennedy a very short little summary of that one allegation\nthat we had some how--we had told you or we had not told you, I forgotten\nreally which about the Greek thing which indicates to me that both of us\ndid exactly the right things. I mean there is no problem.\nDECLASSIFIED\nE.O. 13526, Section 3.5\nPER ZAC REVIEW 1/22/2009\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nBy\nJHS\nNARA, Date 8/20/2012\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPage 2\nK:\nI am not worried about the problems on substance, we've come out\nfine. I'm worried about the fact that really at this time, when we\nhave all these other problems for the senior people to start cutting\neach other up is just nuts.\nC:\nYeh, just hopeless, yeh. I will certainly-.\nK:\nAnd I think the agency anyway ought not talk to the press about what\nis does or does not say.\nC:\nWell, I don't think we do anyway, really. But I will raise this\nthe\ntomorrow and sort of read out everybody. You know, the\nword intelligence official refers to half the people in town, unfortunately.\nK\nThat's right.\nC:\nBut I will certainly raise this and indicate you know that it is a hell of\na note if we start rapping at each other.\nK:\nGood, thank you Bill.\nC:\nThanks very much Henry.\nK:\nBye.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n[no.\nTELECON\nMr. Atherton/Secretary Kissinger\nAugust 1, 1974\n5:02 pm\nmissed first part of conversation\nK: and dealing as we should. You remember that complaint by Fahmy\nthat we don't keep Sadat informed. I think Fahmy\nA: No sir. We have a message to Fahmy which\nK: We've got to do this fast and aggressively.\nA: Faisal\nwe have a message which you approved and we sent it to\nthe White House for clearance.\nK: When I approve it, it's approved. Who VO uld clear it in the White\nHouse except me ?\nA: My understanding is, it was over there for you to see.\nK: I approved that over a week ago.\nA: Ck, let me call Brent and see.\nK: In the present position of the White House, we won't get anything\napproved and\nbesides, Fahmy is in Egypt now.\nA: I'm sure we can pass it.\nK: That will make the Egyptians WO nder what we are doing.\nA: It shouldn't go befor e we have got the Faisal one out and. I'll find\nout why that hasn't gone to you yet.\nK: My concern is, if we handle these things badly we are just going to\nif we don't get a handle on this bureaucracy we will get behind the power\ncurve.\nA: It has been sometime, I agree.\nK: Excatly, we just cannot have this. You must push them.\nA: Ck, I'll start pushing right now.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Ingersoll/Secretary Kissinger\nAugust 1, 1974\n5:15 PM\nK: Bob, were you at the meeting between Simon and the other people?\nI: Yes, I just came back.\nK: Did he burden them to\n100% (participation)?\nI: I told them what you\nthat they not rush into anything. They would like\nto have a meeting with you and Simon next week. We're checking on your\nschedule to see if it's possible.\nK: I just don't trust his assessment of the situation.\nI: They didn't agree with them either. Yamani told them something different\nfrom out he told them.\nK: I don't see that the Saudis should runa risk to get oil prices down.\nI: We'll try to get a meeting on Tuesday with all of them. We're checking your\nschedule.\nK: Just because there's a vacancy on my schedule doesn't mean you can\njust put something in. X You better check with me first.\nI: OK.\nK: How are you doing with MacGregor?\nI: He's coming to see me in the morning.\nK: Was he leaning towards\n?\nI: Yes. He was leaning towards it.\nK: OK. Thank you.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmbassador Anderson/Secretary Kissinger\nAugust 1, 1974\n5:35 PM\nK: When you talk to Marilyn, I don't want a general Seasel that the\nSecretary spends as much time as the White House as possible. Just tell\nher exactly what I did over α there.\nA: But, I didn't\nK: Just tell her exactly what I did over there. I saw some members of the\nExpiex Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board this morning. Then I had\nmembers of the verification panel. Wx We must get into the habit of giving\nstraight answers.\nA: That's what I'm not sure about. Can I tell them about the verification\npanel?\nK: I am herewith telling you to say that. What have you told her?\nA: I told her that you were over at the White House for an NSC-type\nmeeting. I didn't tell her what kind of meeting.\nK: That's the kind of statement that gets you in trouble. Tell her in the\nmorning I had one small group from the Foreign Intelligence Advisory\nBoard and X in the afternoon a verification panel. And that I normally\nspend two or three houses ixx there in the morning.\nA: Right, sir.\nK: Good.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSenator Javits/Secretary Kissinger\nAugust 1, 1974\n6:30 PM\nK: How are you?\nJ: Fine. How are you?\nK: I'm OK.\nJ: You sound as tired as I am.\nK: No, I'm fine.\nJ: I called you because Eberle was up her for breakfast with some other Senators\nand said the question of whether the administration should encourage the Committee\nto go ahead with the Trade Bill was very much up for discussion. Of course, I\nexpressed my feeling that the Trade Bill is so important X it should be signed into\nlaw. I thought the Trade Bill wass important because of the present condition of\nthe world.\nK: I doubt that the President would agree to that.\nJ: You don't think unless this matter is settled?\nK: This is my view.\nJ: The other feeling I expressed whatever tin plate is worked out on the Export\nImport Bank, might be a way of dealing with the situation and dealing with\nmore than half the power.\nK: I agree.\nJ: In negotiating the banking (Stennis) was in the meeting.\nK: I understand you're being difficult.\nJ: Me? Who told you that?\nK: I heard from reports.\nJ: I don't think those reports are accurate.\nK: Eberle mentioned it to me this morning.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nJavits - page 2\nJ: Why am I difficult?\nK: That you and (Stennis) worked up an address but I haven't seen it.\nJ: Neither have I.\nK: I fexed guess you can see the extend of my concerned, I didn't even call you\nabout it.\nJ: I'll have a look at it now, and see what can be done.\nK: Is Marian coming down?\nJ: She is down.\nK: What are you doing Saturday night?\nJ:\nXxx We can do whatever you want to do.\nK: Would you like to go to the theater ?\nJ: To see what, I'm already planning to see (Two for a Seesaw).\nK: The thing, Desire under the Elm.\nJ: That would be great. Sh ould I get tickets?\nK: No. I have the Presidential box.\nJ: That sounds good.\nK: Are you for that\nJ: Sure.\nK: OK. Let's aim for that.\nJ: One other thing. Have someone in your office Arthur R to go to the\nUNESCO meeting.\nK: He's a Foreign Service officer ?\nJ: No. I NYm man with a very good record.\nK: I'll look into it immediately.\nJ: OK. I'll see you Saturday.\nK: Let's confirm it up tomorrow.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGeneral Scowcroft/The Secretary\nAugust 2, 1974\n10:40 a.m.\nS: Are you going to talk to the President today?\nK: Has he asked for me?\nS: No, but I thought maybe about the Israeli thing.\nK: I think we can move on that. You tell Dinitz, no let me\ncall Dinitz. Did you talk to the Vice President? You gave him\nsome feel for our strategy?-\nS: I did and I and I pointed out the emotionality of the issue.\nK: Did you tell him from our point of view it is a great\nsuccess?\nS: Yes.\nK: In terms of tactics this is one of the best things we\nhave done.\nS: Right, and I said everyone of them has and it couldn't\nhave gone any better. We spent most of our time on that.\nK: Good, because it is important for him to learn the\ncomplexity of it.\nS: Yes, and he hadn't seen it in that light before.\nK: That is why I didn't like the briefing yesterday.\nS: No, I just was trying to give a principle\nK: O.K.\nS: I'll see you at lunch.\nEND.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nYuri Vorontsov/The Secretary\nAugust 2, 1974\n10:41 a.m.\nV: I am sorry to bother you but I got a reminder from Moscow.\nK: No, I wanted to talk to you. Our view is this. In this\nparticular proposal you made, it isn't consistent with ours.\nIt goes beyond it. What we would prefer is to begin talks\nwith you first and based on the result of these talks we\nwould then join in at the UN but we question if it is desirable\nto do it through the UN when we are having bilateral talks.\nV: We would have 2 months before the General Assembly.\nK: Anatoyl and I agreed to, that is the first definition of\nthe topic is not in the language we had in Moscow. It is\nyour language.\nV: Yes, not quite. It is broader. So you would prefer to\ndo it the way it was in the Communique and you don't wish\nto join us on this move. I understand from a telegram that\nwe got that we are to do it anyway alone on the broader basis.\nK: While I have you on the phone, there are a number of things\nI want to talk with you about. First, we are making progress\non the Jackson Amendment and we are doing it through a letter.\nIt is my interpretation of a conversation I had with Gromyko--\nof course we won't mention Gromyko's name. I may show it to you\nnext week. Maybe you and I could have a review of the situation\nnext week.\nV: On what?\nK: I may have Sonnenfeldt tell you what we are doing that\ninvolves Moscow/US relations. We are working on SALT and\nother areas.\nV: On the Middle East, are you making progress? You are\ntalking now.\nK: We have talked to the Israelis. We are making a little\nprogress but not much. We will keep you informed.\nV: I know Gromyko is interested.\nK: You should let Gromyko know that no matter what happens,\nour commitment to this course is firm.\nV: He can count on that?\nK: Yes, thank you for calling.\nEND.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. McCloskey/The Secretary\nAugust 2, 1974\n10:52 A.M.\nK: Have you seen that article by Binder today?\nM: Yes.\nK: This isn't a reflection on me, but it is impossible.\nM: Most of it is out of the Intelligence Community and\nthere is that one quote contributed to the State Department.\nK: Schlesinger claims he knows it is coming from the State\nDepartment.\nM: That's not true. There is the one quote, it mentions\nJohn Maury, there are two lines of quotes. Everything else\nis contributed to the Intelligence Community and I think\nsome of it is coming from Cimitrou\n.\nI am not con-\ndoning the article.\nK: It is awful what goes on in town now. It is only yester-\nday that I told Colby that I wanted him to stay out of Greek\npolitics and now it is in the New York Times.\nM: I only have a hunch that Binder has been working on this\nfor a week or more.\nK: Do you agree with Larry that I shouldn't do the critique\ntoday?\nM: I think so. I haven't had time to give my views yet.\nK: I'll do it no later than Monday.\nM: May I put in my two cents worth about sending someone\non the circuit again. I see the need to do it and I support\nthat but I think Hartman may be better for the reasons we\ngave last night. Buffum will put the US up to much in front\nbefore the negotiations begin. We don't want to create the\nimpression that we are running it. I think Hartman can glean\nas much as Buffum and do it in the way of the role you want\nto play in Geneva.\nK: O.K., let me think about that. Thank you.\nM: Yes sir.\nEND.\nDECLASSIFIED\nE.O. 13526, Section 3.5\nNLN09-64/14036 Per Hr. 9/29/2014\nBy RJ /witt NARA, Date 11/10/2016\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmbassador Dinitz/Secretary Kissinger\nAugust 2, 1974\n12:05 P. M.\nD: It was a lovely evening last night.\nK: And substantive too. And it was the frankest talk that has ever\nbeen held below Golda's level.\nD: Yes, and he is the only one who can have this kind of talk.\nI\nwould say that\nK: I could see you suffering from time to time.\nD: No, no. I didn't. There is one thing I have always tried to keep\nin our relations, SO sometime when my colleagues take extreme\npositions, I try to\nK: I just wanted a direction from him. I have enough now to be able\nto talk generally.\nD: It wasn't suffering on my part, it was a concern that you realized\nenough to place it in the right mosaic. The idea of something\nnegative would never be accepted.\nwhat he thinks of as the final\nsolution is the lowest of denominators of what he can get. But it was\nimportant to express the view.\nK: I don't think we should worry ab out the final solution. Any\nattempt to getting a final solution will lead to war. I don't think\nwe should face that now.\nD: I don't think that was the int enttion.\nK: I talked to Schlesinger this morning as I told you. I do not have\nthe impression that\nwas as much of a surprize as you think.\nThe real problem is the one I have given to you. You can tell Allon\nthat he is not going back empty handed SO he can ease his mind on\nthat.\nD: Do you think he will have results before he leaves?\nK: Yes. Unless there is a paralysis at the White House this weekend.\nD: I heard reports that he was aboard on the boat last night with his\nfriend. And about you spending time at the White House\nK: And that was speculation. That I pent the day at the White House,\njust speculation.\nDECLASSIr\nE.O. 13526, Section 3.5\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library NLN09-64/14037 Per Hr. 9/29/2014\nDECLASSIFIED\nBy RD TWIH NARA, Date 10/11/2016\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2.\nD: I know.\nK: That meeting had nothing to do with Watergate. I had an intelli -\ngence meeting in the morning and a Verification Panel in the afternoon.\nD: I was at the Press Club and they said what is he doing at the\nWhite House. I said that is in ere he works, that now that he has a\nwife to support he has to have two jobs to do it.\nK: I am working to give him some items from both lists.\nD: Let me understand. I want to know with regard to the special\nlist the need\nK: ON everything, the need to approve\nbut I am not blaming it on\nSchlesinger.\nD: Also on the expenditures\nK: But I think we can do something on both lists. I have Haig,\nScowcroft and others lined up. I will probably give you informal\nword and let formal word come through Scowcroft and that will make\neveryone happy.\nD: I will be in New York over the weekend.\nK: But we can reach you?\nD: Yes. I want to thank you again for last night.\nK: Well, if we can keep this confidence we won't fail. There are\nnow some positive factors.\nD: Is Sadat planning to come in November?\nK: That was the original plan.\nD: The Egyptian Ambassador was saying that last night\nthat Fahmy\nwill come next week and Sadat in November.\nK: That was the plan and then we will give him nuclear weapons.\nD: No, we have to know your intentions\nthe State Department has\nnot been helpful. They have been feeding the press.\nK: Well, those sons of bitches do it to us. Any time you find some -\nthing like that you tell me.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n3.\nD: I will because it is against our mutual interests. I will tell Yigal.\nK: Put his mind at ease. I will move heaven and earth and he can\nexpect results.\nD: Thank you and youx will be here this weekend.\nK: Yes, thank you.\nEND.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nColby/ Sec. Kissinger\nAug 2, 1974, 1:00 p.m.\nC: I hope we can talk about something other than leaks sometime.\nK: I was outraged about the story in the NY Times.\nC: Binder has been working on this.\nthe\nK: I have been raising hell all over the Department. Except for/one\nquote they swear that it did not come from here.\nC: It is impossible to follow the things down. If we raise a little hell\nK: I think we should all face the fact that this govt is in bad shape and if we all\nC: And if we\ncan keep the boys from fighting below it is all right.\nK: You know my views on this subject and they are not as they are reported.\nI don't want the Department to play stupid politics. I talked to Dick Walters\nand he can give you my view.\nC: He did.\nK: That is my view.\nC: Fine. We will stick.\nK: Bill, if you ever give me a name--that is asking too much--but if you can every\nidentify the office I will fire the Direc tor.\nC: It is a long history over many years, and there are frictions that exist down\nthere and we will have to get over them and I think we will.\nK: Good.\nC: If you have made noises down the line there\nK: I have been raising hell all morning.\nC: I did not mention this one but I did mention it at the USIB this morning that\nwe in the intelligence business have to tighten up or we will lose our confidence\nin the past--that we can keep our mouths shut.\nK: You can be sure, Bill, that I do not deal with you through leaks.\nC: Thanks.\nDECLASSIFIED\nK: END\nE.O. 13526, Section 3.5\nNLN09-64/14038 Per 9/29/2014\nBy RJ R/WIH NARA, Date 11/10/2016\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSonnenfeldt/The Secretary\nAugust 2, 1974\n12:00 a.m.\nK: Is that detente thing still being revised?\nS: We are putting it together right now. We have a new\ndraft.\nK: Then there is no sense to work on the old one.\nS: No, don't. We have to revise it and we are physically\nputting it together right now.\nK: Where do we stand with Jackson?\nS: I am meeting with Fosdick and Pearl tomorrow at 9:30.\nK: Do they understand we are at the limit of what we can do?\nS: I have tried to make that clear to Scoop. As far as it\nit is as far as we can go.\nK: What is their mood?\nS: Well, yesterday it was that we need more assurances.\nK: Well, will you make sure that Len Garment has a copy of\nboth versions of the letter today and get them to the Jewish\nleaders.\nS: Of both letters.\nK: Yes.\nS: Scoop has ruled that out.\nK:\nif I confirm that, that is what we would agree to\nS: I have not told them that you would be prepared to\nconfirm. I can do that in the morning\nK: Why don't you. I think it is better for them.\nS: We could use a letter and that gives a little more. I'll\ntry to do something.\nK: Ok.\nEND.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nCarlyle Maw/Secretary Kissinger\nAugust 2, 1974\n5:55 PM\nK: Did we ever get the answers to the questions to the Committee?\nM: No. They're making up another set\nK: They will not vote until they get the answers.\nM: The next set they'll make up for Al. I'm holding your answers until\nwe get his testimony which we're getting today because several of the questions\nare\n.\nK: They are also giving written questions to A1?\nM: Yes. They will give them to him tonight.\nK: When are they going to vote?\nM: As soon as they get the answers to his questions and yours. They're working\ndown near the end I They will be donw tonight and Al's are in the works.\nThey will at least finish his questions today and he'll have them tomorrow or\nMonday.\nK: There's no problem in his testimony, is there?\nM: Not really. Just a little clearing up, just a few things.\nK: No, there's no conflict between his and mine?\nM: I don't think so. Several people are reading over it now. Some of the\nquestions really just call for answers of what his position was and what he\ndid. That's where we stand.\nK: You think the case is pretty well over ?\nM: I do. It's just a matter of finishing up the details. They haven't made\nup the draft report yet.\nK: Do you think it will be favorable?\nM: Oh yes, no doubt.\nK: The evidence seems to support my original testimony.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nMaw - page 2\nM: You haven't seen your testimony, have you?\nK: No.\nM: That's the only testimony that will be done here, the next we have to do\nup there.\nK: We can't edit it, can we?\nM: We'll do some. Just in substance a few little things they will agree to cut\nback on. I think it's all under control.\nK: OK. Thank you Carl.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Hartman/ The Secretary\nAugust 3, 1974\n9:35 a. m.\nH: Yes Sir, I was coming in a little later.\nK: I'll see you then.\nH: OK\nK: I just wanted to see you briefly. You are going off later this\nafternoon?\nH: Yes.\nK: About these messages to Callaghan, Ecevit and Caramanlis.\nH: We have letters that are in preparation.\nK: I basically have an objection to Circular telegrams. If you inform\nthe Greeks and Turks you are coming in a Circular telegram, I believe\nthat is a poor way to do it.\nH: Yes, but that is for our Embassies to inform them.\nK: Don't you think it should be done on a more personal basis? Well, I\ncan't change the Department in six months.\nH: Well, it is mainly for our Embassies.\nK: The mechanics of getting an appointment are the least of it. If I were\nthe Greeks and Turks and received a message like that, I would ask what\nthe hell he wants. You have now down-played it to where you will not achieve\nanything. We want to be able to say you are going there to exchange views\nwith the countries. This is important, especially when our public line\nis our real link to informing others of our views.\nH: Do you want me to change the cables?\nK: Well, at least the ones to Athens, Ankara and Nicosia. They need more.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-2-\nH: Well, I 'm just going out there to tell them our position and\nbring direct word from you.\nK: From my point of view that is not why you are going out there. It\nis to get a network of relations with these people. To get an analyses\nand define the limits of each of them; to get our analyses in tune showing\ncompasion ahead of time.\nH: I just hesitated in one place having him carry any message in\nadvance.\nK: That I understand. Why not say we are coming because we place\ngreat stress and as you are so closely relate d to my views you are\ncoming to give themessage to them. Even Tasca can deliver that. To\nCallaghan on a very personal basis say we have some problem getting\nthe best report out of Athens.\nH: I thought we had that in the Callaghan message. That was the main\npurpose in the Callaghan message.\nK: (Read sentence of message.) We better explain further what we mean.\nWhy that is so.\nH: OK. I will be in a little later\nK: Good.\nH: Thank you.\nEND.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGeneral Haig/ The Secretary\nAugust 3, 1974\n9:55 a.m.\nK: Al, I have a substantive problem if you can focus your mind on it.\nIt has to do with Arms for Israel. There is a huge shopping list here.\nI would like Allon to go back with just enough so he got something but not\nenough to make any difference. I talked to Schlesinger. We could give\nhim 200 tanks, Redeyes and Cobras and that would leave the whole huge\nshopping list in abeyance. Can I do that without asking the President?\nH: What is your timing, Henry?\nK: Monday morning. Explain to him this is the absolute minimum of\ntheir package.\nH: Let me do it first and see if he can focus on a report from you.\nK: This is about 100's of their list. This is not anything that will\nmake any difference in the military balance.\nH: Well, the Redeyes will cause some stir probably when it gets out\nonly because of the character of the weapon.\nK: Well, the cobra will cause more stir because they will use that against\nthe terrorists.\nH: We have to keep this damn thing together.\nK: They have seven items listed which we are got giving them. Then\nthey have\nit is a list of 20 pages of things that they want that\nthey are not getting, except the tanks.\nH. Right. OK. I think that's very durable. Let me run it by him. I\nthink we can do it very quickly. If not, I will come back to you and you can\ntell him.\nK: OK Thanks very much.\nEND.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Atherton/ The Secretary\nAugust 3, 1974\n10:21 a.m.\nK: Hello.\nA: Good morning, Mr. Secretary.\nK: Roy, we have to do a message to Sadat telling him about the Allon\ntalks. That it was tough going but that it will turn out OK.\nA: We sent one up for your consideration to Fahmy. Have you seen it?\nK: I haven't seen it. Let's send one to Sadat.\nA: I'll pull it back and do another one. What about one to Asad?\nK: OK do a little hand holding. Make it brief. One paragraph.\nA: OK I'll do one and send it up.\nK: Good.\nEND.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nThe President/ The Secretary\nAugust 3, 1974\n11:15 a. m.\nK: Hello, Mr. President.\nP: Oh, Henry, I just talked to Al about that M-48 package. If it is\nyour judgment we should go forward, but I thought you should know\nI think we should keep a tight string onthem but if you think this is right, OK.\nK: It is about 1/ 100's of their total request. It is just enough to keep\nthem from blowing up publicly.\nP: 100%? you mean\nK: No sir, what I mean is they have come in with a hugh package, not\njust airplanes but everything. I think we should give them a little because\nthey have been completely attentive. Not everything but just a little.\nP: OK, just say I made that decision.\nK: All right, thank you Mr. President.\nP: OK, old boy.\nEND.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nSANITIZED COPY\nTELECON\nAmbassador Dinitz/ The Secretary\n11:18AM August 3, 1974\nD: Good morning Mr. Secretary.\nK: We have had a very tough note from the Russians about your\nbuzzing their ships that are engaged in minesweeping. They said two\nPhantoms took runs at them yesterday simulating attack runs. That if\nthis doesn't stop they will take military action to protect themselves.\nThat they expect the United States to take appropriate action. I told\nthem that the last sentence was totally unacceptable. They didn't need\nto say expect. We would not stand for unilateral Soviet military action\nin the area, but I do not think this is the time to get into a confrontation.\nD: Did you get the message I X passed to you last night?\nK: Yes.\nSANITIZED\nD: That was what I expected they might plan. Our boats there are in\n3.3(b)(6)\nK: On what?\nThat is one thing. Secondly, we have not, as you know, crossed into\nthe middle zone to buzz them but they XX were sending their helicopters\nto take photographs and survey and gather intelligence on our aircraft.\nK: The first is what are the facts? Second, is what we do. First,\nwould you get me an unsigned note in response to our representations\non just what you have just told me. Then we can aske them to exercise\nrestraint. Would you tell them to be careful. The Soviets are looking\nfor some opportunity to show how tough they are. I have seen this in\nthe last two weeks. Why take the President on inflation? They are,\ntherefore, looking for an opportunity for an ostentatious exercise\nwith us. Please keep this in mind. I want from you a one page\nstatement of your views of what happened. You say in reply I have\nbrought to your attention their note.\nDECLASSIFIED\nE.O. 13526, Section 3.5\nWLN09-64/14039 9/29/2014\nSANITIZED COPY\nBy RJ 1 WII NARA, Date 11/10/2016\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-2-\nD: (A) that we are buzzing the ships or their helicopters\nK: Both. I want the facts as you had already prior to the complaint\npointed them out to me. Secondly, I would like you to urge on your\ncabinet in the next several weeks not to give them provocation.\nNormally I would say if the Soviets threaten, one should act brutally.\nD: When they are crossing into our waters and taking photographs\nwith their helicopters, shouldn't we send up planes?\nK: If they send in helicopters I would not take runs on XXIX their ships.\nSend me a note and say if it happens again we will send planes. Then\nyou will have some cover\nSimcha I am telling XX you to let them\ngo. Once without sending planes and send us a note saying we will\nhave no choice but to send up planes if they do it again. I do not\nwant speculation on whether we are staging a Middle East crisis\nin order to cover up impeachment inquiries. Rxx Peres announcing\nit is a provocation. Tell Peres for God's sake to keep quiet. What\nyou should do is to send us a note, let them do it once without\nreacting, send a note in response to the Soviet provocation, that\nSoviet ships crossed into your waters and if it doesn't stop you have\nno alternative but to send planes. I then have a record of your complaint\nwhich I can send to the Soviets and put them on notice.\nD: I will get to work on it right away. Should I have give them this\nnote to Scowcroft?\nK: I don't want it before tomorrow. I don't want to seem too eager.\nAn unsigned note on a plain piece of paper.\nD: A note from the Government of Israel to the Government of the\nUnited States.\nK: It should be an unsigned typewritten note with no letterhead.\nD: It should be in the wording of a formal note?\nK: Not formal and not letterhead and not signed.\nD: There are various ways of doing it that is why I said a blank\npiece of paper.\nK: Good, we will send you to diplomatic school.\nD: Everthing I know I had to learn.\nK: You are doing fine. Thank you Simcha.\nEND.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Clauson (WH)/ The Secretary\nAugust 3, 1974\n1:02 p.m.\nK: How are you?\nC: Fine. Just two quick things. No. 1, I am calling all the Cabinet\nofficers to urge them to have their Departments crank out all of the low\nlevel legitimate news we can in the next two weeks. I'm sure I don't\nneed to explain\nyou know why.\nK: Yes.\nC: We just don't seem to be able to get anything into the papers but\nimpaachment. Second, I don't know if you are aware that we have\nbeen holding small press sessions in my office in the last few months\nwith about 15 press people, informal gatherings called \"Cocktails with\nClauson\" because we have booze. We are coming up to #75 in the next\nweek and wonder if we can have you as a guest?\nK: Can we hold up on that for the next week and see where we are\nbefore you start inviting people?\nC: Sure, we can wait for a week.\nK: Fine.\nC: Fine, thank you Henry.\nEND.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Sonnenfeldt/ The Secretary\nAugust 3, 1974\n1:35 P.M.\nK: I have no illusions about the Newhouse thing. But I don't think\nNewhouse can do anything more than he has done. He has written\nit in his normal style.\nS: I am concerned about the fact that it is a comment on the\ninternational scene. Clearly has problems of substance.\nK: Right, what\nS: I think it is diffused. I think it shows an attitude that reflects an\nintellectual approach to these problems that isn't ours.\nK: I would be more than delighted if you would use this as XIXI\na basis and turn it into something we can use. That's what I was\nplanning to do with it.\nS: It is a question of priorities and I had to get it in some shape\nK: Unless I tell Win what to say, he can't say it.\nX\nS: We really thought we were doing something yesterday that was a\nK: I called for a national debate and then I come up with a superficial\nstatement. It just doesn't have any high level.\nS: I hope we will correct that in this draft.\nK: Keep in mind I may ask XXX Hal to rewrite.\nS: I am just finishing up with Richard, Pearl and Dickey.\nK: How are they doing.\nS: I explained that.\nletters are a limit of what the traffic will bear.\nK: The major problem isn't what the letter X says but what happens\nafterward. If they want to conduct this like a\nS: To cover what we have been talking about. I have made the point\nvery strongly that the legislation does\nand then you have the\nguillotine that comes down.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-2-\nK: They will understand how it is to be measured.\nS: I have not given them a set of standards.\nK: The real result is what happens to emigration.\nS: Exactly.\nK: Give my special affection to Pearl.\nS: Okay.\nEND.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGeneral Scowcroft/ The Secretary\nAugust 3, 1974\n1:40 PM\nK: The President has approved this thing.\nS: Okay.\nK: Although I am not quite sure he knew what he was approving.\nHe called me.\nS: Did he?\nK: Yes.\nS: Good\nK: The only outcome is what I told him. Is Haig around?\nS: Do you want me to have him call you? He wasn't there a few\nminutes agax ago.\nK: No. I guess I will call the Israelis tomorrow. Don't tell anything\nto the French yet. I will call the Israelis and you will get the French\nand inform them. That way Schlesinger can be happy.\nYou can call them tomorrow.\nS: Call Defense tomorrow.\nK: Is Zeigler around these days?\nS: He went by the window a few minutes ago.\nK: Okay. Thank you.\nEND.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon\nSecretary Kissinger\nScotty Reston\n8/5/74; 10:50 a. m.\nK: Scotty, how are you?\nR: How are you?\nK: Okay.\nR: Say, I am going over to interview Giscard and Schmidt tomorrow\nafternoon or tomorrow evening. Have you got any time or any thoughts\nabout what would be useful in a conversation with them in their present\nmoods?\nK: You want to do it on the telephone or do you want\nR: Well, whatever you say or whatever is convenient to you. I will\ncome to you when you are ready, if you are available any time.\nK: Let me give it a little thought and can I call you before noon?\nR: Sure. I will be right at the TIMES.\nK: I think it is a good time to interview them.\nR: I do, too. Also, it is a good time to get out of this time.\nK: I tell you, I share that feeling.\nR: I don't wonder.\nK: Somebody walks out this is off the record somebody -- Len\nGarment came up to me in the hall in the corridor of the White House\ntoday and said if I could send him & on a diplomatic mission he would\nbe a friend for life.\nR: (Laughter) I don't blame him. There are probably a lot of other\ntakers, too.\nK: I'll talk to you.\nR: Okay. Bye.\nK: Bye.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nWinston Lord/Secretary Kissinger\nAugust 5, 1974\n12:22 PM\nK: I want to make sure that you really all drop everything today and work\non the statement, because when you work seriously you do a good job. Is\nthat going to happen?\nL: Yes.\nK: Do you think my children could come to that dinner tonight, or would the\nChinese think we are not taking them seriously?\nL: Let me call them. They just called and asked if their Secret Service\ncould come.\nK: In that case, we would have 3 children. Nancy's niece, who is about\nthe same age as Elizabeth, is also here.\nL: Let me call over there and fine out.\nK: If you ask them, they' say yes.\nL: Yes.\nK: Do you wanted to ask Hummel?\nL: OK. I'll get his judgment on that.\nK: Why was it we didn't have Congressman? That was stupid.\nLr. We suggested it and they came back and said, since they were having\nFulbright and other at different functions the same week they didn't want them\ntwice in the same week unless they were strong personal friends.\nK: OK. Thank you.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Shhlesinger/Secretary Kissinger\nAugust 5, 1974\n1:05 PM\nS:\nIsraelis.\nK: I got the general approvel of the President. What I understood was, Waldheim\nhad some concern about the number . The fewer the better on X a X foreign\npolicy aspect.\nS: We can give them 200 **** tanks. They wanted 2, 000, but they will be happy\nwith 200. We'll give them 200 tanks the cobra.\nK: They asked for 24 The President, frankly, I didn't get his approval on\na certain number. I would prefer you'r'e giving 12 to 24.\nS: Allon saidto me, give us 10, give us 20, but give us some. We can give them\n6 or 8 and they would just be delighted.\nK: I would do that.\nS: The cobra situation is a little hairy. I think it WO uld be bad news X fro m the\nIsraeli standpoint. I might try to give them some advance tanks. We never\nffered them the advance before and then we can fall back on the cobra.\nK: Have you talked to them?\nS: No, I thought I would check with you first.\nK: Tell them we're nk together on this.\nS: We're going to do another inventory on the tank situation. About a half of them\nlack periscopes. No one ever wanted these but the\n.\nK: I think no one will question that.\nS: It cone S down to the question of who pays for the periscopes.\nK: Sadat thinks our tanks are not much good.\nS: He's got an interesting point.\nK: He claims they burn too easily.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nSchlesinger - page 2\nS: Yes. We have a kxxx knowledge of that. That was onerwkx of the types\nwhere the ammunition is storie stored in the _and therefore was ignited.\nWe will not send tanks like that out.\nK: I'm just passing that on.\nS: Good.\nK: OK. You will get in touch with Allon?\nS: Yes.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nVice President Ford/Secretary Kissinger\nAugust 5, 1974\n3:22 PM\nK: Hello, Mr. Vice President. How are you?\nF: I'm fine, how are you?\nK: I'm getting along.\nF: I guess we all are.\nK: You're in a very difficult position and doing it with great nobility. Mr.\nVice President, I was wondering, I thought that meeting with those congressman\nwent rather well.\nF: I thought it was great. I saw half of them and they thought it was XXXXX\nterrific.\nK: Anytime you want to arrange a meeting with xxgxxxxxxx a group like this, just\ngo ahead and do it.\nF: I'll have Jack Marsh check with Lynwood for a time that is open on your\nschedule.\nK: I thought it was a very good group.\nF: They are and all they wanted was an opportunity to hear it first hand.\nK: I think they are entitled to have a sense that the government knows what it's\ndoing and give them a chance to ask questions.\nF: They used to give us trouble -- trouble stemming from non-information and\nI'm confident they will be on their side.\nK: I'll be very pleased to do it.\nF: Maybe we can do it every couple of weeks or so.\nK: Excellent.\nF: I'll have Jack Marsh get in touch with Lynwood.\nK: Maybe we can schedule it for a day that you will be in town. OK. Give\nme a list of who you think should be invited.\nF: OK.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmbassador McCloskey/Secretary Kissinger\nAugust 5, 1974\n5:00 PM\nK: What did you do with Pincus ?\nM: I spoke to him about about a month ago and told him.\nK: What's his solution?\nM: That first, he won't be publishing anything for at least 2 weeks, secondly,\nhe doesn't attribute anything to you, third, he thinks those two things together\nwill meet your concerns. I think there's no real problem.\nK: Is he a trustworthy man?\nM: To the best of my knowledge. I never worked with him on any scale.\nK: I like his writing.\nM: Yes, he's first rate. And he's really a well qualified man in the field. I\nnever knew him to be\nsomething that I simply couldn't handle.\nK: He'll lead the talking?\nM: Yes. He asked to see you, he has to lead it. h He understand you found\ntime for him and only because I urged him.\nK: Good. Thank you.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Winston Lord/The Secretary\nAugust 5, 1974\n5:10 P.M.\nK: Win, it is my understanding .correct. that they are all working\non the material from page 12 onward.\nL: That's right, except for the strategic section.\nK: You are making a massive revision along the lines I gave you.\nYou go with the same material but it must be reorganized. I find\nthat as I work on it, I have to rewrite substantially the beginning\ntoo. But that is my worry. But it doesn't affect anything you do.\nL: No.\nK: I just want to tighten it up to my own style.\nL: Right.\nK: Good. Thank you.\nEND.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Winston Lord/The Secretary\nAugust 5, 1974\n5:30 P.M.\nK: Can I have that paper first thing in the morning?\nL: Yes.\nK: I can count on that ?\nL: Yes.\nK: You don't sound very convincing.\nL: We will have it when you walk in.\nK: Is Sonnenfeldt really working?\nL: Yes.\nK: Ck. Thank you.\nEND.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Ziegler/The Secretary\nAugust 5, 1974\n6:02 P.M.\nK: Hello.\nZ: Hi. Well, you got back on the 23rd. I remember thinking about\nthis. You left China on the 23rd but you would have gotten back here\nthe 23rd our time.\nK: That's the problem.\nZ: Rogers wanted to have a picture taken with you. The President\ndidn't want him in the meeting. Rogers was saying, better let me\ncome to have a picture taken.\nK: That makes it all the worse. It just makes Rogers look all the\nworse.\nZ: Its just a little black humor in a period where there is no humor.\nYou were in China on the 22nd and also on the 23rd.\nK: Its clear what happened now. I remember very well.\nZ: He had a picture. You cut out and gave the President the full\nreport. I can always be a private detective, if not a press secretary.\nDo you have the transcripts yet?\nK: No.\nZ: Well, they should be on their way.\nK: Ck.\nEND.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nCong. Wayne Hays/Kissinger\n8/6/74 - 9:46 a. m.\nK:\nHello.\nH:\nHi, how are you?\nK:\nO.K., Mr. Chairman, how are you?\nH:\nDon't give me that Mr\nK:\nHi, Wayne, I just thought I'd flatter you a little bit.\nH:\nFlattery will get you nowhere with me.\nK:\nI've noticed that. I don't know, though, what will get me somewhere\nwith you.\nH:\nWell, you do alright with me. No Secretary has ever done as well\nin 26 years.\nK:\nLook, I think it's one of the best relationships I've got here.\nH:\nListen, what I'm calling you about is, you know we're having this\nplenary session of this North Atlantic Assembly in London.\nK:\nYeah.\nH:\nAnd they have the Prime Minister, if he's still alive, of Great\nBritain, and they would like two other speakers and one of the\nones that they' re very hot on having is you, and the other one they\nthink they' re going to get is the Prime Minister of Turkey.\nK:\nWell, actually he's an excellent man. When is it?\nH:\nWell, the Plenary opens on the 14th of November and, let me\nget my calendar open here. I think that's on a Thursday.\nK:\nAnd is that when they want me?\nH:\nWell, you know, for you they would set it up any day. The\nPlenary sessions do open on the 14, 15, and 16. We have Committee\nmeetings on the 11, 12 and 13.\nK:\nIs that supposed to be an evening affair?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-2-\nH:\nWell, it could be\nK:\nNo, no, you just tell me, when is it?\nH:\nWell, the Plenary, I don't have the exact schedule here. I just have\nit marked on my calendar, but the Plenary opens in the morning\nnormally, you know, like 10:00.\nK:\nYou don't really gain anything by flying, because you lose the five\nhours so you can't say you leave in the morning and speak that\nnight, so you can't arrive\nLook, I'll do my best to make it\nif you want me to.\nH:\nWell, look, let me put it this way to you. I would be delighted if\nyou did and I think it would do us and the foreign policy some good\nand you some good. Besides there will be a couple hundred Members\nof Parliament there. We're going to make a special effort to have\nsome Greeks there. Some old Parliamentarians represented for\nthe first time. If I have to go to Greece myself and talk to\nKaralmanlis and tell him to pick a few like old\nand a\nfew guys like that.\nK:\nThat might be a good idea anyway.\nH:\nDid I tell you! got a letter from King Constantine?\nK:\nNo, you haven't.\nH:\nYeah, well you know when the USIA people were up here last year I\nquizzed them about what they were telling the Greeks about what\nwas going on in Greece and the results were that they weren't\ntelling anything except what the dictatorship wanted them to hear,\nthat's the long and short of it. And somehow or another he got a\ncopy of it, and the funny part of it is, the letter from him was\nwritten just three days before the Government fell and I got it about\ntwo or three days after the Government fell. And I got a new little\ngirl outside and she came in with the mail and she said, \"There's a\nletter here from London. Do you know any Constantine R. in London? 11\n(laughter)\nK:\nThat's funny. That is funny. Look, let me check my calendar and\nI'll be back to you in a few days, but I'll do my best\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n- -3- -\nH:\nAny day in that week.\nK:\nEither the 14, 15, or 16th. I'll do my best, and I'll almost\ncertainly do it.\nH:\nAlright. Thanks a lot.\nK:\nRight.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Maw/Secretary Kissinger\nAugust 6, 1974\n4:00 PM\nK: I understand the Committee has voted on this thing.\nM: And they have written a report.\nK: But apparently what they are saying is that if they had known then what\nthey know now they would still have noted to confirm me. But that isn't good\nxxxxx enough. That says he didn't need to perjure himself.\nM: Where did you get this from? I haven't seen the text.\nK: I haven't either, but that is what Pat Holt and a number of others said to the\npress.\nM: This is in line with what the opening statement was\nlet me find out what\nit is because they are premature in initialing it. I'll hex get a hold of Phil\nTrimble who is up there now and find out what the text is.\nK: They don't have to say the actions were moral.\nM: Yes, but they have to say a little more\nbut this thing about\nwhen they\ncaled the hearings they announced that would be the issue. Let me get what\nthey did say.\nK: No, the issue is whether I lied to them.\nM: And they are say ing you didn't\nK: No, if this is all they said, it is consistent with he didn't need to lie because\nwe would have confirmed him anyway, right?\nM: Ix I see. Let me get the text.\nK: Right.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmbassador McCloskey/The Secretary\nAugust 6, 1974\n6:10 P. M.\nK: Hello.\nM: Yes, sir.\nK: Bob, my wife went to Mt. Vernon with my children and her\nfamily today.\nM: I just had a call about it.\nK: The Chief of Naval Operations offered the boat to them. But I\ndon't think we should make a huge mystery of it.\nM: Who offered the boat?\nK: Just say the Chief of Naval Operations offered his personal\nboat to my family.\nM: It's both your family and her's, right?\nK: That's right.\nM: There is something about a line of people being pushed aside\nand kept waiting.\nK: That must have been security.\nM: Why don't we say we regret any inconvenience anyone may have\nbeen caused? Apparently someone in the Star called Simone Poulain\nK: No, they called Mrs. Kissinger, who called Simone Poulain.\nM: I was very pleased to meet the other side of the family the other\nday.\nK: I am overwhelmed by Irishmen these days. I hardly dare go\nhome any more. Eight Irishmen that meet and overwhelm you\nwith affection. If I ever leave my Irish friend, they will\nM: They bear vengence for years tocome.\nK: I am counting on their basic loyalties.\nEND.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nRita Hauser/Secretary Kissinger\nAugust 6, 1974\n6:15 PM\n(Missed first part)\nH: He told me the good news. I'm very pleased.\nK: It was a good report.\nH: It was I think it will be fine, it's a footnote in this mess. How X was the\nPresident today?\nK: He was alright.\nH: Was he rational? There is now an enormous vote against him in the House.\nK: It's pretty rough.\nH: He's pleaded guilty and thrown himself on the\n.\nI hear Goldwater is\nangry. I don't XXX know who's going to rise up and defend him.\nK: You mean during the trial?\nH: Where is he going to get anyone to rise up in his defense. If he he will be\nconvicted and will go to jail.\nK: If he resigns?\nH: It gets close\nwilling to give him some sort of immunity.\nK: It's unbelievable.\nH: I think the whole thing is dreadful. Ford will take over and the end of\nour friend Nelson.\nK: Unless he's made Vice President.\nH: Jerry won't pick him. He's too big and powerful.\nK: I think Nelson could do him a lot of good.\nH: I would be astonished if he could. You're going to hang on?\nK: Assuming there's a change quickly, I'll of course stay on to see what the\nshape of the new administration will be. I have an obligation now. I can't\nplay around.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nHauser - page 2\nH: You can stick it out.\nK: I think I can give it six months and see where we stand. I don't think\nanyone knows what sort of President Ford would make, including Ford.\nH: You can be sure Mel Laird will be front and center.\nK: Is that good or bad?\nH: For you?\nK: I get along with Mel.\nH: He's a smart fellow and knows how to He's got a hell of a problem\nin the economic picture. He has to bring in some real power. It's a very\nunhappy situation. I certainly hope you stay with it as longa as you can.\nK: That's all I can do. It's a disheavling period and in a funny way. Some\nawful mistakes were made by the President but he's doesn't deserve this.\nH:\nto see it to the end.\nK: Ziegler is a great political expert.\nH: Yes. (laughter)\nK: I wonder where Ziegler is going to decide\nH: I talked to him and said he should resign.\nK: That the President should quit?\nH: Yes. He said basically it's the Pre siden'ts decision to make. On the\nLatin American XXIXXXX job on the economic and business issue. There's a\nbig fight between the\n.\nWhen do you want all this stuff?\nK: As soon as possible.\nH: We had planned to finish it at the end of September.\nK: That's fine. Maybe I could meet with the Committee.\nH: When?\nK: Why don't you wait until the present hsyteria is over and try me in the\nnext week or so.\nH: Great. OK. XexyHenry.\nK: I hope to see you soon. Let me know when you're in town.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nHauser - page 3\nH: Well, I know your program is always hectic.\nK: Well, today expecially.\nH: Does he talk to you at all about this?\nK: No. He sometimes de tells me of a decision he's made.\nH: Do you think it has any impact on foreign policy?\nK: Not on any particularly country.\nH: What happens to a country like Egypt?\nK: Brezhnev will be in trouble.\nH: OK. Be a good guy Henry and let's talk soon.\nK: OK.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmbassador Dinitz/The Secretary\nAugust 6, 1974\n7:11 P.M.\nK: Hellow Simca.\nD: How are you?\nK: On this arms thing we did yesterday. For God's sake make\nsure there is nothing in the Israeli papers. Please make sure\nthere are no comments because we are going through some\nfinal throes here and things are very difficult.\nD: I understand. Nothing will be said.\nK: Can you keep your head down in this period ? We do not\nneed any war-like statements-just keep quiet for a few days.\nSomeday I will explain it to X you. in a little while. There\ncould be some unfortunate public things that it would take us\na long time to dig out from.\nD: I understand.\nkhaxka\nK: I had a good talk with the Jordanians on some of the concepts\nlask we discussed last week. Wixhowk Without timing on anything\nand there may be a chance. I know you don't want a chance.\nD: No, no\nK: We may be able to push them to the verticle line.\nD: Fine. I would like to hear details whenever you finish.\nK: Cur immediate problem is to keep this out of sight.\nD: To keep quiet.\nK: Also not to let on anything about this arms thing. There is a\nmassive danger of getting it revoked in such a way that it would\nbe difficult to reinstitute it.\nD: I have done it already, but I will do ita again in your name.\nK: This is not a criticism. This is just a friendly bit of advice.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2.\nD: I know and I appreciate it and I will act on it. Anything else\nhappening on your side except what we hear in the news ?\nK: You s.o.b. You want some more news\nD: Did you enjoy your Chinese party? I think, Dr. Kissinger,\nthe next big thing that you could bring about in the world is a\nresumption of relations between Israel and China.\nK: I want you to know I'm working on that and I want to see you\nas soon as my immediate insanity stops here.\nD: Until when is Rifai staying. Thursday ?\nK: He will be here a short while longer\nD: Ok. Good.\nK: Well, goodbye.\nEND.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Herb Slosser/The Secretay\nAugust 6, 1974\n7:38 p. m.\nK; How are you?\nS: Ok. I just wanted to call and say I was pleased with the\nSenate Foreign Relations Committee decision. I thought all\nthe comments at the end of the meeting were most appropriate\nand just on the nose.\nK: Aren't you nice.\nS: I know these are tough times.\nK: We ha ve to hold the country together.\nS: I am glad that things for you personally are ok. And I am\nglad you will continue to be Secretary of State.\nK: I was going to call you this week before everything blew up.\nDo you know who Frank Mankiewicz is?\nS: XXXXX He was the press representative for Bob Kennedy,\nwasn't he ?\nK: Yes, and he has just been in Cuba and filmed I don't know how\nmany hours with Castro. Would you be interested in that at all?\nS: A friend of his called me a few weeks ago on that. We\nnormally in the news area don't buy from outsiders. What do you\nthink of him.\nMankiewicz?\nK: I think he is very thoughtful. I don't know what sort of\nfilm he shoots. I rarely agree with him politically but that\ndoesn't mean he isn't intelligent.\nS: Well, the answer is probably no. But I will check and let you\nknow.\nK:\nWhen are we going to get together.\nS: I would like to very much. I just got back from Europe\nyesterday. May be I could come down next week.\nK: How about Tuesday?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2.\nS: Ok. I'll call you tomorrow.\nK: Lets aim for Tuesday.\nS: Let's aim for Tuesday. I'll give you a call tomorrow morning.\nIt nice talking to you.\nK: I can't tell you how much I appreciate your call.\nS: I know what we have in you and so many of us know. We all\nhave to stay calm.\nK; Goodbye.\nEND.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified."
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