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Amb. Dobrynin/Kissinger 9:10 a. m. 5/11/71 -7- K: (cont) And Arbatov is going around that the WH channel is not functioning properly. To Ruina and others. He shouldn't even know there is a WH channel. D: Did he mention who? K: Mx He mentioned specifically and to people who don't know it. D: This is strange. I will speak with him. K: After Haig mentioned to you outside of our channel should stop and there are t more discussions -- the same range of issues. When you make a proposal to me on Berlin and I send Rush.to Zorin or rather then answering Gromyko, it would create a bad impression in Moscow. D: It's very clear that they discussed freezing and so on but they have no instruc- tions to discuss it. Such an idea of freezing would be after ABM is signed. Did anytone tell him or subordinates that this freezing would be before? K: They think it's manageable. What matters to me is that when you and I have confidential negotiations we agree in principle and then it's presented to our bureaucracy. If in good faith it's not possible that high ? ? ? ? or subordinate officials. Gartov had no instructions. D: They discuss many things. Fishing with each other. Officials are one thing - K: You said they were instructed to discuss freezing. D: No, if arises then Semonov has instructions. If X it arises then it's to be disuussed only after. K: They raised it and we didn't. The way this looks to the President is that we in carrying it out have been very rigid to give your to politburo every oppor- tunity but you do this and if it makesx leaks to the press it will look that you are bringing pressure on us. We have explained the point. As far as Smith is concerned he believes that there was a formal proposal. D: On what? K: ABM. D: They have discussed it for 4 months. K: ABM coupled with offensive freeze. D: Before or after?

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