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TELCON
Amb. Dobrynin/Kissinger
9:10 a. m.
5/11/71
K: I just had a talk with Gerry Smith and apparently our channel is not working
properly. Semonov is going along accepting my proposition to you which Gerry
Smith doesn't know about. Semonov has not said what it is but it's the main
lines of my proposition to you. The President will be beside himself because
we haven't got a reply yet to our proposal.
D: Semonov didn't have instructions and I have a telegram that says it.
K: Semonov on a boat trip went into great detail and Smith is SO surprised that
he has propositions we didn't make to him. Proposed ABM agreement, a freeze
on
offensive missiles Smith never heard of it. He hinted that you would
accept a ceiling on xaxx longer ones within this. Smith thinks he will conclude
this simultaneously. He didn't object to the proposal but it isn't easy that when
he makes a proposal to the Council of Ministers and gets no answer.
D: He has no authority.
K: We are in the position now that as far as Smith is X concerned a Soviet
proposition exists and the President doesn't have a response to his proposal.
D: They haven't discussed it in the govt. I know what I am telling you. The
Minister directed him and he is not authorized. Gromyko is not deceiving me.
K: The President can only X conclude one of two things. Either theree confusion
in Moscow which we don't believe or a deliberate attemptto mobilize his people
against him or by-pass him.
D: It's not SO. On this matter Semonov has no authority. What he makes a
hint -- I don't know.
K: In order to keep our channel intact and avoid on either side a refusal ? ? ?
Now we are in a position that as far as I am concerned it has to be treated for-
mally. Smith is telling everyone what Semonov said. Exxxxxxxx That there should
be an ABM agreegernd agreement and a less formal phrase we have discussed
it and it's all right. A ceiling which would include large missiles and rader
limitations.
D:
I
don;t know what's going on. Xxxxxx Does he really make a proposal or just
a talk and he picks it up piece by piece.
K: He talked with Smith alone.
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