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Minister Vorontsov/Mr. Kissinger
8:10 p.m., May 19, 1972
V:
48 out and meaning that these -- yeah.
K:
The 90 missiles on the C&H class submarines would be counted in
the replacement.
V:
I see. What action will Mr. Smith do now in Helsinki? He will
insist that 48 should go out, I mean, the figure
K:
Yeah, for the time -- that's his present position.
V:
I see.
K:
But I wanted to explain to you what our concern is. And also explain,
to you, Yuly, that this is not a new position for us; that is what I told
Anatol to begin with.
V:
Yeah, well, I understand but
K:
The difference arose from the fact that we thought you had 40 sub-
marines under construction and whatever and therefore we counted
those 90 missiles we gave you 90 more missiles when I gave you
62.
V:
Um-humm.
K:
By assuming you would replace the C&H class submarines.
V:
Which was accepted actually?
K:
That's right.
V:
In the last wording of ours?
K:
Oh, yes.
V:
Well, I don't think Gromyko will be happy with all this because
in his words and his cable, he suggests that 48 was the figure
didn't get any trouble far as you are concerned. When it was
first mentioned, it was okay; you didn't raise any objection.
K:
Well, no, you see when Anatol handed me these various papers, I
just said these in reading quickly; I'm thinking out loud here and I
said the rest of the answers you'll get from Smith.
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